The big Coronavirus thread
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I really do wish they would make the y-axis '... per million'. Those cities and regions are all different sizes.briantrumpet said:NY looking pretty desperate, and London not looking great. Keep an eye on Florida too... they're still crowding onto the beaches, and the curve is pointing up.
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Anyone work in central London can comment on the situation? Round Derby the city centre is like a ghost town. Then we see pictures from London of commuters packed into the tube. Is this really still happening ?
Social distancing seems to be respected here - even supermarkets are now enforcing limited numbers in the store and directional arrows in the aisles are becoming a thing. On the parks things are far better than earlier in the week.
Now we are being told tougher lockdown could be on its way. Unless that is to tell all non essential workers they may not leave home to work as far as this area goes it'll be a gesture.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
Why would they bother converting the Excel into a hospital ?coopster_the_1st said:
Of the 260 new deaths, 246 were in England, with patients aged between 33 and 100 years old.tailwindhome said:
Today's figure is 1019tailwindhome said:UK now at 759 deaths, 44% of those in the last 3 days.
Buckle up.
All of them had underlying health conditions except 13 people, who were aged 63 and over.
There is very much a commonality to all these deaths
This is highly contagious. My FIL got it and according to the stats was one of only about 20 who had it in the area. He's housebound...
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Spoke to a friend about this last night.DeVlaeminck said:Anyone work in central London can comment on the situation? Round Derby the city centre is like a ghost town. Then we see pictures from London of commuters packed into the tube. Is this really still happening ?
Social distancing seems to be respected here - even supermarkets are now enforcing limited numbers in the store and directional arrows in the aisles are becoming a thing. On the parks things are far better than earlier in the week.
Now we are being told tougher lockdown could be on its way. Unless that is to tell all non essential workers they may not leave home to work as far as this area goes it'll be a gesture.
Regent’s Park was as busy as every Saturday.
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Your post just demonstrates you, like many others have a lack of understanding of how the country is dealing with this virus.fenix said:
Why would they bother converting the Excel into a hospital ?coopster_the_1st said:
Of the 260 new deaths, 246 were in England, with patients aged between 33 and 100 years old.tailwindhome said:
Today's figure is 1019tailwindhome said:UK now at 759 deaths, 44% of those in the last 3 days.
Buckle up.
All of them had underlying health conditions except 13 people, who were aged 63 and over.
There is very much a commonality to all these deaths
This is highly contagious. My FIL got it and according to the stats was one of only about 20 who had it in the area. He's housebound...
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And the boss of Europe’s biggest ventilator manufacturer
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THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE.
ALL THIS EFFORT ON BREXIT WHEN THE U.K. HAS 5x FEWER INTENSIVE CARE BEDS THAN GERMANY
No doubt the morons will be here to defend this. How was this not a scandal sooner?
FWIW, and I don’t normally say this, my experience of the NHS has been constantly sh!t and it blows my mind people are “proud of it”. Presumably the only ever think about the US by comparison.0 -
Korea has six times as many per capita. This has been mentioned before.0
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For all the chat about lockdown vs the economy, it is sh!t like that that costs you during a pandemic.0
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I hope Johnson doesn't touch those letters which are being sent out to everybody!0
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Did you see we opted out of EU ventilator procurement.
The whole deification of the NHS is very strange. Most of the time the puppet masters are pushing the message that the staff are underpaid, under resourced heroes.0 -
When i visited my mum post transplant i could not fault the service. When i took my unresponsive 6 month old childto A&E he was seen immediately and sorted out. When i hurt my face falling off my bike i had to wait a few hours but then i was not dying so it seemed a fair deal. Feel free to ost up your shit experiences for scrutiny.rick_chasey said:THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE.
ALL THIS EFFORT ON BREXIT WHEN THE U.K. HAS 5x FEWER INTENSIVE CARE BEDS THAN GERMANY
No doubt the morons will be here to defend this. How was this not a scandal sooner?
FWIW, and I don’t normally say this, my experience of the NHS has been constantly sh!t and it blows my mind people are “proud of it”. Presumably the only ever think about the US by comparison.1 -
That would be for a different purpose, and would also have to include ICU capacity.rjsterry said:
I really do wish they would make the y-axis '... per million'. Those cities and regions are all different sizes.briantrumpet said:NY looking pretty desperate, and London not looking great. Keep an eye on Florida too... they're still crowding onto the beaches, and the curve is pointing up.
For an infectious disease, the spread from an outbreak is not dependent on the size of the population (initially).
It's explained here - key point is that the best way to track would be by outbreak, not by country. The USA for example has multiple outbreaks that spread from different starting points.
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I'm talking about the distinction between dying with something or of it. Nearly 50000 men a year are diagnosed with prostate cancer in the uk many of whom will live with it for a long time without any complications. If I have prostate cancer that causes me no ill effects but die following a heart attack then I have died with prostate cancer, not of it. If we record all people dying with covid 19 in their system as having died of it then don't you see how this creates a distortion?rjsterry said:
See Stevo's link. To pick an example, Theresa May has an underlying health condition which puts her at increased risk. This is not just people who only have a few more months anyway. 6%of the UK population are diabetic. 1 in 4 adults have high blood pressure. 2.3million are living with CHD.shortfall said:
The point being that if they already have a serious illness that is likely to kill them in the near future, then recording them as dying OF covid19 purely because it's in their system is misleading and skews policy.rjsterry said:
Really? Given that it is interstitial pneumonia arising from the infection that actually kills most of the victims, splitting hairs over whether it was the infection or the underlying condition that inhibited their ability to fight it off seems somewhat academic.shortfall said:
Of it or with it? An important distinction.surrey_commuter said:tailwindhome said:
Today's figure is 1019tailwindhome said:UK now at 759 deaths, 44% of those in the last 3 days.
Buckle up.
With a proviso that I read it on mailonline we are only counting people who die of it is hospital. Not sure what other countries are doing so not sure how comparable the numbers are.0 -
Rickrick_chasey said:THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE.
ALL THIS EFFORT ON BREXIT WHEN THE U.K. HAS 5x FEWER INTENSIVE CARE BEDS THAN GERMANY
No doubt the morons will be here to defend this. How was this not a scandal sooner?
FWIW, and I don’t normally say this, my experience of the NHS has been constantly sh!t and it blows my mind people are “proud of it”. Presumably the only ever think about the US by comparison.
People are proud of the NHS at this dire time... do you want a health system like Mr Trump's !
As a proud member of the NHS staff I'm really offended with your statement.... if anyone of your family or friends does urgent require assistance of the NHS during this crisis (or any other time) . I hope it does change your thoughts on the NHS.. or if you feel so strongly don't use the service !!!.
PS .. I work in a back office function (IT).. we'll shortly be deploying 1000 laptops / webcam to enable GP and practice staff to work from home and provide a virtual consultation service. This kit isn't going to magically configure and deployment themselves ... the Shit NHS is gonna have to do this work.
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I have been banging on about this for almost a weeksurrey_commuter said:Did you see we opted out of EU ventilator procurement.
The whole deification of the NHS is very strange. Most of the time the puppet masters are pushing the message that the staff are underpaid, under resourced heroes.0 -
The last line of my post and your first para of yours did make me laugh a lot.jp1970 said:
Rickrick_chasey said:THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE.
ALL THIS EFFORT ON BREXIT WHEN THE U.K. HAS 5x FEWER INTENSIVE CARE BEDS THAN GERMANY
No doubt the morons will be here to defend this. How was this not a scandal sooner?
FWIW, and I don’t normally say this, my experience of the NHS has been constantly sh!t and it blows my mind people are “proud of it”. Presumably the only ever think about the US by comparison.
People are proud of the NHS at this dire time... do you want a health system like Mr Trump's !
As a proud member of the NHS staff I'm really offended with your statement.... if anyone of your family or friends does urgent require assistance of the NHS during this crisis (or any other time) . I hope it does change your thoughts on the NHS.. or if you feel so strongly don't use the service !!!.
PS .. I work in a back office function (IT).. we'll shortly be deploying 1000 laptops / webcam to enable GP and practice staff to work from home and provide a virtual consultation service. This kit isn't going to magically configure and deployment themselves ... the censored NHS is gonna have to do this work.
#staysafestayathome
The NHS is full of a lot of people working really hard in substandard conditions.
It is however deeply underfunded and and badly mismanaged. The cuts to management over and over really show and any ward on a micro level shows both sides.
The whole reason drs and nurses were holy even before this is a tacit recognition they are working in a bad environment.
The tragedy is we will see than born out and it’s the patients and the front line staff who will suffer.
You are right that it’s too late now.
Deifying the NHS has meant it’s hard to criticise it when criticism is due.
Funnily enough the system is more than just hard working staff.
Surely they should not have to toil quite so hard to provide half decent care (in normal circumstances)?
Do explain to me how having 5x fewer intensive care beds per head than Germany is something to be proud of.0 -
The best thing we can all do is ignore our resident angry little SJW. Many of us have already learnt this.jp1970 said:
Rickrick_chasey said:THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE.
ALL THIS EFFORT ON BREXIT WHEN THE U.K. HAS 5x FEWER INTENSIVE CARE BEDS THAN GERMANY
No doubt the morons will be here to defend this. How was this not a scandal sooner?
FWIW, and I don’t normally say this, my experience of the NHS has been constantly sh!t and it blows my mind people are “proud of it”. Presumably the only ever think about the US by comparison.
People are proud of the NHS at this dire time... do you want a health system like Mr Trump's !
As a proud member of the NHS staff I'm really offended with your statement.... if anyone of your family or friends does urgent require assistance of the NHS during this crisis (or any other time) . I hope it does change your thoughts on the NHS.. or if you feel so strongly don't use the service !!!.
PS .. I work in a back office function (IT).. we'll shortly be deploying 1000 laptops / webcam to enable GP and practice staff to work from home and provide a virtual consultation service. This kit isn't going to magically configure and deployment themselves ... the censored NHS is gonna have to do this work.
#staysafestayathome
Yesterday he was on some far right paranoia, today he is attacking the NHS, tomorrow will be something else...
He is going through a mental episode which will eventually burn out when he gets to the realisation that for his own health it is best to only to concern himself with what is under his control. I have labelled this pragmatism but it can equally be labelled reality.
Unfortunately most of the country are going to have to go through this mental '5 stages of grief' process as they face up the reality of the situation. This will be the next media hysterical bubble.1 -
FWIW the last two times I used the NHS either me or my daughter ended up with avoidable complications that were down to overstretched staff.
They were trying their hardest.0 -
Meanwhile my GP surgery wants me to send a fax to re up a prescription. With the science museum closed how am I meant to do that.jp1970 said:
Rickrick_chasey said:THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE.
ALL THIS EFFORT ON BREXIT WHEN THE U.K. HAS 5x FEWER INTENSIVE CARE BEDS THAN GERMANY
No doubt the morons will be here to defend this. How was this not a scandal sooner?
FWIW, and I don’t normally say this, my experience of the NHS has been constantly sh!t and it blows my mind people are “proud of it”. Presumably the only ever think about the US by comparison.
People are proud of the NHS at this dire time... do you want a health system like Mr Trump's !
As a proud member of the NHS staff I'm really offended with your statement.... if anyone of your family or friends does urgent require assistance of the NHS during this crisis (or any other time) . I hope it does change your thoughts on the NHS.. or if you feel so strongly don't use the service !!!.
PS .. I work in a back office function (IT).. we'll shortly be deploying 1000 laptops / webcam to enable GP and practice staff to work from home and provide a virtual consultation service. This kit isn't going to magically configure and deployment themselves ... the censored NHS is gonna have to do this work.
#staysafestayathome
The NHS is the world’s biggest buyer of fax machines.0 -
As I said above no-one will be recorded as dying 'of' Covid-19, it's a respiratory infection caused by the virus that kills them and being pedantic the cause of death would be asphyxiation. The underlying health issues can impact on whether a person is more likely to get to the respiratory infection stage.shortfall said:
I'm talking about the distinction between dying with something or of it. Nearly 50000 men a year are diagnosed with prostate cancer in the uk many of whom will live with it for a long time without any complications. If I have prostate cancer that causes me no ill effects but die following a heart attack then I have died with prostate cancer, not of it. If we record all people dying with covid 19 in their system as having died of it then don't you see how this creates a distortion?rjsterry said:
See Stevo's link. To pick an example, Theresa May has an underlying health condition which puts her at increased risk. This is not just people who only have a few more months anyway. 6%of the UK population are diabetic. 1 in 4 adults have high blood pressure. 2.3million are living with CHD.shortfall said:
The point being that if they already have a serious illness that is likely to kill them in the near future, then recording them as dying OF covid19 purely because it's in their system is misleading and skews policy.rjsterry said:
Really? Given that it is interstitial pneumonia arising from the infection that actually kills most of the victims, splitting hairs over whether it was the infection or the underlying condition that inhibited their ability to fight it off seems somewhat academic.shortfall said:
Of it or with it? An important distinction.surrey_commuter said:tailwindhome said:
Today's figure is 1019tailwindhome said:UK now at 759 deaths, 44% of those in the last 3 days.
Buckle up.
With a proviso that I read it on mailonline we are only counting people who die of it is hospital. Not sure what other countries are doing so not sure how comparable the numbers are.0 -
You can think the system is poor and still appreciate those working in it. In fact, most medical personnel I know working in the NHS think the system is in poor state and there's no-one impacted more than the staff.jp1970 said:
Rickrick_chasey said:THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE.
ALL THIS EFFORT ON BREXIT WHEN THE U.K. HAS 5x FEWER INTENSIVE CARE BEDS THAN GERMANY
No doubt the morons will be here to defend this. How was this not a scandal sooner?
FWIW, and I don’t normally say this, my experience of the NHS has been constantly sh!t and it blows my mind people are “proud of it”. Presumably the only ever think about the US by comparison.
People are proud of the NHS at this dire time... do you want a health system like Mr Trump's !
As a proud member of the NHS staff I'm really offended with your statement.... if anyone of your family or friends does urgent require assistance of the NHS during this crisis (or any other time) . I hope it does change your thoughts on the NHS.. or if you feel so strongly don't use the service !!!.
PS .. I work in a back office function (IT).. we'll shortly be deploying 1000 laptops / webcam to enable GP and practice staff to work from home and provide a virtual consultation service. This kit isn't going to magically configure and deployment themselves ... the censored NHS is gonna have to do this work.
#staysafestayathome
My own experience is that it is very good at dealing with serious issues (surgery and treatment of a child's cancer) but not so good on minor and more routine issues and access at the GP end is woeful.0 -
Which indicates your local GP surgery has not bothered to invest in more up to date tech. Locally surgeries are using TPP SystmOnline for prescriptions, appts (though current affairs means that suspended), etc. Works well. Guess there will be others.surrey_commuter said:
Meanwhile my GP surgery wants me to send a fax to re up a prescription. With the science museum closed how am I meant to do that.jp1970 said:
Rickrick_chasey said:THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE.
ALL THIS EFFORT ON BREXIT WHEN THE U.K. HAS 5x FEWER INTENSIVE CARE BEDS THAN GERMANY
No doubt the morons will be here to defend this. How was this not a scandal sooner?
FWIW, and I don’t normally say this, my experience of the NHS has been constantly sh!t and it blows my mind people are “proud of it”. Presumably the only ever think about the US by comparison.
People are proud of the NHS at this dire time... do you want a health system like Mr Trump's !
As a proud member of the NHS staff I'm really offended with your statement.... if anyone of your family or friends does urgent require assistance of the NHS during this crisis (or any other time) . I hope it does change your thoughts on the NHS.. or if you feel so strongly don't use the service !!!.
PS .. I work in a back office function (IT).. we'll shortly be deploying 1000 laptops / webcam to enable GP and practice staff to work from home and provide a virtual consultation service. This kit isn't going to magically configure and deployment themselves ... the censored NHS is gonna have to do this work.
#staysafestayathome
The NHS is the world’s biggest buyer of fax machines.
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Maybe that's why we didn't take part?0
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Something doesn't have to be perfect as something else for us to feel proud of it and admire it.
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I have one son who is not quite as bright as the other. Are you saying i shouldn't be proud of him?rick_chasey said:
What do you admire about having 5x fewer ventilators and intensive care beds than Germany?capt_slog said:Something doesn't have to be perfect as something else for us to feel proud of it and admire it.
Italy has more than double the U.K. too are you proud of that?
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