The big Coronavirus thread
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Yes duh how does that contrast with what I’ve been saying?Stevo_666 said:
I've already pointed out upthread that test and track no longer seems to be containing the problem in countries like Singapore and they are having to bring in additional restrictions. Here's another link on the issue in Singapore:rick_chasey said:
Have offered plenty of suggestions, you just need to pay more attention.john80 said:
Heavy on the criticism bit light on the solution. Once you accept there is not a silver bullet you might gain some perspective.rick_chasey said:
So what is the good news in the U.K. peaking mucher higher than the Italy?Stevo_666 said:
+1.First.Aspect said:
Scotland's is half that of England. They squeezed the Murrayfield match in while they could. Same policies, much lower population density.rick_chasey said:If you compare Ireland to England, England has a 2.5x higher death rate per capita right now.
I guess that’s the difference between cancelling st Patrick’s day and letting Cheltenham happen.
I've been watching your posts on here for a couple of weeks Rick and they are unbalanced. Everything is bad. The UK is terrible. We should have done more. Of everything.
I think you need to step away from the news somehow.
I've said the same thing and to be fair its not just Rick. It wasn't that long back that somebody commented on how certain people must be googling 'negative UK ÇOVID news' or similar every morning before posting.
I'd love to see some of this lot running the show instead of the government.
I mean, f@ck me, thousands more are dying than in other comparable nations and it’s all “you’re a doomonger”.
Strap on a pair and smell the sh!t.
Lockdown sooner so you can get on top of testing, then you test and track.
That then allows for more specific measures that don’t involve such a gigantic lockdown for so long.
https://cnet.com/news/singapore-had-the-coronavirus-under-control-now-its-locking-down-the-country/
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Do you think we have the full range of society on this forum? Seems a bit middle management to me on here. They are not your usual rioters.rick_chasey said:So who on this thread would riot?
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Doubt anyone would riot straight off but you'd probably have far fewer people supporting the measures so far more would probably bend the rules or break them when they could.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0
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The companies and sporting events you are talking about did not beat the first UK case not the first UK death. Theres always someone who wants a lockdown earlier as a sort of safety first, look see how proactive we are. Who on here would have supported a full draconian Asian lockdown either at or prior to the above events.surrey_commuter said:
You should check the TFL passenger journey stats pre- lockdown. Virtually all sport shut down pre-lockdown with not so much as a quibble.john80 said:
You are very much in the minority if you think the UK population is as compliant as those two nations. Your inability to see that is revealing. Without a body count the cops would be out controlling riots with the current measures being brought in.rick_chasey said:Seol & Korea managed.
The warning signs were there and the U.K. deliberately chose to accept and not bother till it was too late.
Maybe you live in an area where people are itching to riot but down here the people and businesses were weeks ahead of Govt.
We had to bring in legislation to stop people who had signed contracts stating they would adhere to a 14 day quarantine when we were doing them a favour by bringing them home and wanted to skip home early ffs. Remember that compliance.0 -
Did you even read the article. It is certainly not supporting your open society protected by agressive testing and isolation scheme. If this was the case Singapore would not now need a lockdown. The more i read the more i think the scientists have got the UKs position about right.rick_chasey said:
Yes duh how does that contrast with what I’ve been saying?Stevo_666 said:
I've already pointed out upthread that test and track no longer seems to be containing the problem in countries like Singapore and they are having to bring in additional restrictions. Here's another link on the issue in Singapore:rick_chasey said:
Have offered plenty of suggestions, you just need to pay more attention.john80 said:
Heavy on the criticism bit light on the solution. Once you accept there is not a silver bullet you might gain some perspective.rick_chasey said:
So what is the good news in the U.K. peaking mucher higher than the Italy?Stevo_666 said:
+1.First.Aspect said:
Scotland's is half that of England. They squeezed the Murrayfield match in while they could. Same policies, much lower population density.rick_chasey said:If you compare Ireland to England, England has a 2.5x higher death rate per capita right now.
I guess that’s the difference between cancelling st Patrick’s day and letting Cheltenham happen.
I've been watching your posts on here for a couple of weeks Rick and they are unbalanced. Everything is bad. The UK is terrible. We should have done more. Of everything.
I think you need to step away from the news somehow.
I've said the same thing and to be fair its not just Rick. It wasn't that long back that somebody commented on how certain people must be googling 'negative UK ÇOVID news' or similar every morning before posting.
I'd love to see some of this lot running the show instead of the government.
I mean, f@ck me, thousands more are dying than in other comparable nations and it’s all “you’re a doomonger”.
Strap on a pair and smell the sh!t.
Lockdown sooner so you can get on top of testing, then you test and track.
That then allows for more specific measures that don’t involve such a gigantic lockdown for so long.
https://cnet.com/news/singapore-had-the-coronavirus-under-control-now-its-locking-down-the-country/0 -
They did lock down sooner, did more testing and engaged in track and trace, as you recommended. But it's not containing the problem.rick_chasey said:
Yes duh how does that contrast with what I’ve been saying?Stevo_666 said:
I've already pointed out upthread that test and track no longer seems to be containing the problem in countries like Singapore and they are having to bring in additional restrictions. Here's another link on the issue in Singapore:rick_chasey said:
Have offered plenty of suggestions, you just need to pay more attention.john80 said:
Heavy on the criticism bit light on the solution. Once you accept there is not a silver bullet you might gain some perspective.rick_chasey said:
So what is the good news in the U.K. peaking mucher higher than the Italy?Stevo_666 said:
+1.First.Aspect said:
Scotland's is half that of England. They squeezed the Murrayfield match in while they could. Same policies, much lower population density.rick_chasey said:If you compare Ireland to England, England has a 2.5x higher death rate per capita right now.
I guess that’s the difference between cancelling st Patrick’s day and letting Cheltenham happen.
I've been watching your posts on here for a couple of weeks Rick and they are unbalanced. Everything is bad. The UK is terrible. We should have done more. Of everything.
I think you need to step away from the news somehow.
I've said the same thing and to be fair its not just Rick. It wasn't that long back that somebody commented on how certain people must be googling 'negative UK ÇOVID news' or similar every morning before posting.
I'd love to see some of this lot running the show instead of the government.
I mean, f@ck me, thousands more are dying than in other comparable nations and it’s all “you’re a doomonger”.
Strap on a pair and smell the sh!t.
Lockdown sooner so you can get on top of testing, then you test and track.
That then allows for more specific measures that don’t involve such a gigantic lockdown for so long.
https://cnet.com/news/singapore-had-the-coronavirus-under-control-now-its-locking-down-the-country/
Pretty straightforward. Duh indeed."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
But their death and infection rate is significantly lower than the U.K.Stevo_666 said:
They did lock down sooner, did more testing and engaged in track and trace, as you recommended. But it's not containing the problem.rick_chasey said:
Yes duh how does that contrast with what I’ve been saying?Stevo_666 said:
I've already pointed out upthread that test and track no longer seems to be containing the problem in countries like Singapore and they are having to bring in additional restrictions. Here's another link on the issue in Singapore:rick_chasey said:
Have offered plenty of suggestions, you just need to pay more attention.john80 said:
Heavy on the criticism bit light on the solution. Once you accept there is not a silver bullet you might gain some perspective.rick_chasey said:
So what is the good news in the U.K. peaking mucher higher than the Italy?Stevo_666 said:
+1.First.Aspect said:
Scotland's is half that of England. They squeezed the Murrayfield match in while they could. Same policies, much lower population density.rick_chasey said:If you compare Ireland to England, England has a 2.5x higher death rate per capita right now.
I guess that’s the difference between cancelling st Patrick’s day and letting Cheltenham happen.
I've been watching your posts on here for a couple of weeks Rick and they are unbalanced. Everything is bad. The UK is terrible. We should have done more. Of everything.
I think you need to step away from the news somehow.
I've said the same thing and to be fair its not just Rick. It wasn't that long back that somebody commented on how certain people must be googling 'negative UK ÇOVID news' or similar every morning before posting.
I'd love to see some of this lot running the show instead of the government.
I mean, f@ck me, thousands more are dying than in other comparable nations and it’s all “you’re a doomonger”.
Strap on a pair and smell the sh!t.
Lockdown sooner so you can get on top of testing, then you test and track.
That then allows for more specific measures that don’t involve such a gigantic lockdown for so long.
https://cnet.com/news/singapore-had-the-coronavirus-under-control-now-its-locking-down-the-country/
Pretty straightforward. Duh indeed.
By miles.
Or is this another right wingers being relaxed by people who aren’t them dying thing?
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Does anyone have any stats on what treatment the dead had before they died?
Ie were they given the full bells and whistles or are we in “seriously rationed triage” mode? (Or somewhere in between)
I wonder as an acquaintance who has terminal cancer I have found out is now being denied the treatment he was expecting to prolong his life by around a year; hospital now refusing to do it because of being stretched with corona.0 -
Where to begin?rick_chasey said:
But their death and infection rate is significantly lower than the U.K.Stevo_666 said:
They did lock down sooner, did more testing and engaged in track and trace, as you recommended. But it's not containing the problem.rick_chasey said:
Yes duh how does that contrast with what I’ve been saying?Stevo_666 said:
I've already pointed out upthread that test and track no longer seems to be containing the problem in countries like Singapore and they are having to bring in additional restrictions. Here's another link on the issue in Singapore:rick_chasey said:
Have offered plenty of suggestions, you just need to pay more attention.john80 said:
Heavy on the criticism bit light on the solution. Once you accept there is not a silver bullet you might gain some perspective.rick_chasey said:
So what is the good news in the U.K. peaking mucher higher than the Italy?Stevo_666 said:
+1.First.Aspect said:
Scotland's is half that of England. They squeezed the Murrayfield match in while they could. Same policies, much lower population density.rick_chasey said:If you compare Ireland to England, England has a 2.5x higher death rate per capita right now.
I guess that’s the difference between cancelling st Patrick’s day and letting Cheltenham happen.
I've been watching your posts on here for a couple of weeks Rick and they are unbalanced. Everything is bad. The UK is terrible. We should have done more. Of everything.
I think you need to step away from the news somehow.
I've said the same thing and to be fair its not just Rick. It wasn't that long back that somebody commented on how certain people must be googling 'negative UK ÇOVID news' or similar every morning before posting.
I'd love to see some of this lot running the show instead of the government.
I mean, f@ck me, thousands more are dying than in other comparable nations and it’s all “you’re a doomonger”.
Strap on a pair and smell the sh!t.
Lockdown sooner so you can get on top of testing, then you test and track.
That then allows for more specific measures that don’t involve such a gigantic lockdown for so long.
https://cnet.com/news/singapore-had-the-coronavirus-under-control-now-its-locking-down-the-country/
Pretty straightforward. Duh indeed.
By miles.
Or is this another right wingers being relaxed by people who aren’t them dying thing?
Lockdown is an effective supressing measure. It is not a solution. There has to be a solution in order for those deaths to be saved as opposed to merely delayed. Is an 18 month lockdown possible?
"Or is this another right wingers being relaxed by people who aren’t them dying thing?"
No, I'm arguing that a lockdown is an incomplete concept. I have skin in this game but fortunately have not yet suffered any loss unlike others on this forum. My mother, father and wife are all high risk, I am asthmatic. My mother has almost 0 chance of survival if infected as she has extensive respiratory problems already, the wife has quite limited chances in my non-expert opinion and my dad is at risk solely by age at 82. I am desperately keen to not lose any of them.
All that being considered, testing and tracing is still not a complete solution, it is a supressing measure that arguably can't be sustained, maybe isn't working as well as initially thought and might (emphasis on might) only delay deaths that will still happen.
Testing and tracing needs to be coupled with a long term exit strategy that considers global movements repeatedly re-introducing the virus over a sustained period.
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Jason Leitch, National Clinical Director (Scotland) on BBC news right now effectively stating that the UK policy is to balance Covid vs other treatments vs mental health impact of lockdown vs longer term economic policies for both nation and individuals.
There but for the grace of god go I.
I don't envy the decision makers at all. The idea they are ignoring a simple solution readily available at their fingertips is disingenuous.
Specifically responds to the testing question towards the end and re-iterates that the test we want/need is the antibody test. Well worth a watch.0 -
You have been mugged off by the Govt and media focussing on the tiny tiny % of people not following the rules.john80 said:
The companies and sporting events you are talking about did not beat the first UK case not the first UK death. Theres always someone who wants a lockdown earlier as a sort of safety first, look see how proactive we are. Who on here would have supported a full draconian Asian lockdown either at or prior to the above events.surrey_commuter said:
You should check the TFL passenger journey stats pre- lockdown. Virtually all sport shut down pre-lockdown with not so much as a quibble.john80 said:
You are very much in the minority if you think the UK population is as compliant as those two nations. Your inability to see that is revealing. Without a body count the cops would be out controlling riots with the current measures being brought in.rick_chasey said:Seol & Korea managed.
The warning signs were there and the U.K. deliberately chose to accept and not bother till it was too late.
Maybe you live in an area where people are itching to riot but down here the people and businesses were weeks ahead of Govt.
We had to bring in legislation to stop people who had signed contracts stating they would adhere to a 14 day quarantine when we were doing them a favour by bringing them home and wanted to skip home early ffs. Remember that compliance.
Where you live you perceive there to be a danger of civil unrest over lockdown.
I am telling you that in white collar London the people and businesses were ahead of Govt in going into self isolation. If they lifted it tomorrow my thought is that very few people would be going back into the office.0 -
Eugh. The sooner you lockdown the sooner you can get a grip on who has what and who they have given it to, via test and tracing.
If you lockdown too late you can’t do that as it’s too big a task.
So if you do that nice and early you can be more detailed in your approach. Sure they may well mean more lockdowns but they will be shorter in nature, and you can continue to accurately monitor it so you can have various forms of partial lockdowns sooner and, above all, *you don’t get thousands of deaths*.0 -
You talk about an exit strategy, I think the majority of people have not had it. The proportion who have it at that moment and the hospital system still function ok is fairly low.
The pandemic will be around for around a year, so your exit strategy will be around that. In between you’ll have various levels of lockdown or not, as the levels of infection ebb and flow and the the capacity of hospitals slowly increases.
That’s the reality.0 -
Correct.surrey_commuter said:
You have been mugged off by the Govt and media focussing on the tiny tiny % of people not following the rules.john80 said:
The companies and sporting events you are talking about did not beat the first UK case not the first UK death. Theres always someone who wants a lockdown earlier as a sort of safety first, look see how proactive we are. Who on here would have supported a full draconian Asian lockdown either at or prior to the above events.surrey_commuter said:
You should check the TFL passenger journey stats pre- lockdown. Virtually all sport shut down pre-lockdown with not so much as a quibble.john80 said:
You are very much in the minority if you think the UK population is as compliant as those two nations. Your inability to see that is revealing. Without a body count the cops would be out controlling riots with the current measures being brought in.rick_chasey said:Seol & Korea managed.
The warning signs were there and the U.K. deliberately chose to accept and not bother till it was too late.
Maybe you live in an area where people are itching to riot but down here the people and businesses were weeks ahead of Govt.
We had to bring in legislation to stop people who had signed contracts stating they would adhere to a 14 day quarantine when we were doing them a favour by bringing them home and wanted to skip home early ffs. Remember that compliance.
Where you live you perceive there to be a danger of civil unrest over lockdown.
I am telling you that in white collar London the people and businesses were ahead of Govt in going into self isolation. If they lifted it tomorrow my thought is that very few people would be going back into the office.
Especially with the death toll as it is most people are frightened rather than angry they are locked in.0 -
I would guess the ironic part of that is that a large portion of white collar London live in Surrey/Berkshire/wherever is a train ride away.surrey_commuter said:
You have been mugged off by the Govt and media focussing on the tiny tiny % of people not following the rules.john80 said:
The companies and sporting events you are talking about did not beat the first UK case not the first UK death. Theres always someone who wants a lockdown earlier as a sort of safety first, look see how proactive we are. Who on here would have supported a full draconian Asian lockdown either at or prior to the above events.surrey_commuter said:
You should check the TFL passenger journey stats pre- lockdown. Virtually all sport shut down pre-lockdown with not so much as a quibble.john80 said:
You are very much in the minority if you think the UK population is as compliant as those two nations. Your inability to see that is revealing. Without a body count the cops would be out controlling riots with the current measures being brought in.rick_chasey said:Seol & Korea managed.
The warning signs were there and the U.K. deliberately chose to accept and not bother till it was too late.
Maybe you live in an area where people are itching to riot but down here the people and businesses were weeks ahead of Govt.
We had to bring in legislation to stop people who had signed contracts stating they would adhere to a 14 day quarantine when we were doing them a favour by bringing them home and wanted to skip home early ffs. Remember that compliance.
Where you live you perceive there to be a danger of civil unrest over lockdown.
I am telling you that in white collar London the people and businesses were ahead of Govt in going into self isolation. If they lifted it tomorrow my thought is that very few people would be going back into the office.
A lot of office workers are lucky to be in situations where they can work from home, as yet there isn't a general fear of mass job loss for many of them. The lowest paid Londoners don't have those luxuries, and are generally a bit screwed as many will struggle to have a requirement for their services until the office workers come back.... You don't really need baristas, office cleaners or people to pull after work pints any more.
I think some degree of lockdown is inevitable until an effective treatment or vaccine is found. My company can currently survive with everyone working from home, everyone going back into the office would give little benefit but significantly increase the probability of the virus spreading quickly through the staff, which would be a disaster as we are a professional service company so losing large numbers of staff to illness would seriously impact our plan to bill enough work that we can survive.
I think this article has been posted up thread, but the tracing of the virus through the German town is interesting, and I think would offer clues on what areas of the lockdown can be relaxed first, and what areas are probably having little effect.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/09/the-cluster-effect-how-social-gatherings-were-rocket-fuel-for-coronavirus0 -
Not taken the time to watch as I am on a brief tea break but I imagine it is fairly honest, straightforward, and scary.morstar said:Jason Leitch, National Clinical Director (Scotland) on BBC news right now effectively stating that the UK policy is to balance Covid vs other treatments vs mental health impact of lockdown vs longer term economic policies for both nation and individuals.
There but for the grace of god go I.
I don't envy the decision makers at all. The idea they are ignoring a simple solution readily available at their fingertips is disingenuous.
Specifically responds to the testing question towards the end and re-iterates that the test we want/need is the antibody test. Well worth a watch.
There is no easy solution.
Lots of people are going to die.
There is no vaccine.
The economy is screwed.
They are trying to balance things and will be slammed either way. I wouldn’t wish to be in their position.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Go and look at the stats for transport for london journeys against the timeline for government measures. You are allowing your personal circumstances to cloud your views. I worked from home up in cumbria before it was mandatory but then i work in a job that makes this possible.surrey_commuter said:
You have been mugged off by the Govt and media focussing on the tiny tiny % of people not following the rules.john80 said:
The companies and sporting events you are talking about did not beat the first UK case not the first UK death. Theres always someone who wants a lockdown earlier as a sort of safety first, look see how proactive we are. Who on here would have supported a full draconian Asian lockdown either at or prior to the above events.surrey_commuter said:
You should check the TFL passenger journey stats pre- lockdown. Virtually all sport shut down pre-lockdown with not so much as a quibble.john80 said:
You are very much in the minority if you think the UK population is as compliant as those two nations. Your inability to see that is revealing. Without a body count the cops would be out controlling riots with the current measures being brought in.rick_chasey said:Seol & Korea managed.
The warning signs were there and the U.K. deliberately chose to accept and not bother till it was too late.
Maybe you live in an area where people are itching to riot but down here the people and businesses were weeks ahead of Govt.
We had to bring in legislation to stop people who had signed contracts stating they would adhere to a 14 day quarantine when we were doing them a favour by bringing them home and wanted to skip home early ffs. Remember that compliance.
Where you live you perceive there to be a danger of civil unrest over lockdown.
I am telling you that in white collar London the people and businesses were ahead of Govt in going into self isolation. If they lifted it tomorrow my thought is that very few people would be going back into the office.0 -
So Germany got its first cases roughly the same time as the U.K. and yet they’ve only had 2800 deaths vs 10,000 U.K.
Who wants to defend the U.K. actions vs that?
There’s a reason it’s delivering ventilators and kit to the U.K. and not the other way around - Britain is the charity case here.
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Singapore has over 200 new cases per day and a large number cant be tracked or traced to a source. Where you boys going with this. I would say they are rapidly getting into the same boat as everybody else.0
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Businesses were a few days ahead of the government in France where people could work from home fairly easily. At the same time, many people were still going to restaurants up until the day they closed.surrey_commuter said:
You have been mugged off by the Govt and media focussing on the tiny tiny % of people not following the rules.john80 said:
The companies and sporting events you are talking about did not beat the first UK case not the first UK death. Theres always someone who wants a lockdown earlier as a sort of safety first, look see how proactive we are. Who on here would have supported a full draconian Asian lockdown either at or prior to the above events.surrey_commuter said:
You should check the TFL passenger journey stats pre- lockdown. Virtually all sport shut down pre-lockdown with not so much as a quibble.john80 said:
You are very much in the minority if you think the UK population is as compliant as those two nations. Your inability to see that is revealing. Without a body count the cops would be out controlling riots with the current measures being brought in.rick_chasey said:Seol & Korea managed.
The warning signs were there and the U.K. deliberately chose to accept and not bother till it was too late.
Maybe you live in an area where people are itching to riot but down here the people and businesses were weeks ahead of Govt.
We had to bring in legislation to stop people who had signed contracts stating they would adhere to a 14 day quarantine when we were doing them a favour by bringing them home and wanted to skip home early ffs. Remember that compliance.
Where you live you perceive there to be a danger of civil unrest over lockdown.
I am telling you that in white collar London the people and businesses were ahead of Govt in going into self isolation. If they lifted it tomorrow my thought is that very few people would be going back into the office.
There is absolutely no way that any Western Government could have introduced the kinds of intrusive measures seen in South Korea. Most westerners now wouldn't accept a compulsory app on their phone for contact tracing so why would they have done it when the threat seemed much lower?
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On what basis would the U.K. not accept it?
Most people give up that info for free, and that’s before the wide acceptance of CCTV everywhere. London is the world centre of CCTV.
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Agreed. At some point it's going to get out of control without a full lockdown.john80 said:Singapore has over 200 new cases per day and a large number cant be tracked or traced to a source. Where you boys going with this. I would say they are rapidly getting into the same boat as everybody else.
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But if Singapore are losing control despite all those measures, eventually they will reach a tipping point where they too can only cap mortality despite taking your preferred path. All they have bought is time if that does happen.rick_chasey said:You talk about an exit strategy, I think the majority of people have not had it. The proportion who have it at that moment and the hospital system still function ok is fairly low.
The pandemic will be around for around a year, so your exit strategy will be around that. In between you’ll have various levels of lockdown or not, as the levels of infection ebb and flow and the the capacity of hospitals slowly increases.
That’s the reality.
Plus, it’s all moot anyway. Our government that I do not support did not do this but, as I said earlier, I am not at all convinced a government I do support would have done much differently.
We are/were simply not in the same footing as S Korea or Singapore in this regard.
Same as we are never ready for heavy snow.
I think controllable things like PPE are where we should be focussing, not hypotheticals.
The point regarding exit is lost on you completely. The path we are following rightly or wrongly does lead to herd immunity.
Believing you can suppress this into non-existence is an appealing idea but I strongly believe it is fatally flawed if the vaccine doesn’t come quickly enough. That is a significant gamble.0 -
Explain Germany’s 60-70% fewer deaths in comparison to the U.K then?nickice said:
Agreed. At some point it's going to get out of control without a full lockdown.john80 said:Singapore has over 200 new cases per day and a large number cant be tracked or traced to a source. Where you boys going with this. I would say they are rapidly getting into the same boat as everybody else.
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Amazing how ready some of use are to give up our civil liberties. If they started using CCTV to identify and contact people before there were even a perceived risk, that wouldn't last. Even the South Koreans are starting to get concerned about privacy issues concerning the compulsory app they have on their phones.rick_chasey said:On what basis would the U.K. not accept it?
Most people give up that info for free, and that’s before the wide acceptance of CCTV everywhere. London is the world centre of CCTV.
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“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!1
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What?rick_chasey said:
Explain Germany’s 60-70% fewer deaths in comparison to the U.K then?nickice said:
Agreed. At some point it's going to get out of control without a full lockdown.john80 said:Singapore has over 200 new cases per day and a large number cant be tracked or traced to a source. Where you boys going with this. I would say they are rapidly getting into the same boat as everybody else.
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The met already use face recognition in Kings Cross and are rolling it out in mobile stations across the city.nickice said:
Amazing how ready some of use are to give up our civil liberties. If they started using CCTV to identify and contact people before there were even a perceived risk, that wouldn't last. Even the South Koreans are starting to get concerned about privacy issues concerning the compulsory app they have on their phones.rick_chasey said:On what basis would the U.K. not accept it?
Most people give up that info for free, and that’s before the wide acceptance of CCTV everywhere. London is the world centre of CCTV.
The guardian and folk like me kick up a fuss but most people don’t give a sh!t.
I don’t think for a moment Brits on the whole actually care about that stuff.0 -
It’s a marathon, not a sprint. If those deaths come eventually anyway...rick_chasey said:
Explain Germany’s 60-70% fewer deaths in comparison to the U.K then?nickice said:
Agreed. At some point it's going to get out of control without a full lockdown.john80 said:Singapore has over 200 new cases per day and a large number cant be tracked or traced to a source. Where you boys going with this. I would say they are rapidly getting into the same boat as everybody else.
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Only beneficial if it can turned into quantifiable positive outcomes.tailwindhome said:
If the outcome is 18months of lockdown, that time may ultimately come at a heavy price (and no I don’t mean solely economic).
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