Milan - San Remo and the Giro to be Cancelled?
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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/gsk82 said:This virus is less contagious than flu and only slightly more deadly. Over the past couple of months flu will have killed far more people globally than this virus has. If it had originated in the west no one would think anything of it.
Coronavirus Cases:
80,348
Deaths:
2,707
Recovered:
27,889
Closed Cases
30,596
Cases which had an outcome:
27,889 (91%)
Recovered / Discharged
2,707 (9%)
Deaths0 -
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/gsk82 said:This virus is less contagious than flu and only slightly more deadly. Over the past couple of months flu will have killed far more people globally than this virus has. If it had originated in the west no one would think anything of it.
Coronavirus Cases:
80,348
Deaths:
2,707
Recovered:
27,889
Closed Cases
30,596
Cases which had an outcome:
27,889 (91%)
Recovered / Discharged
2,707 (9%)
Deaths0 -
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/gsk82 said:This virus is less contagious than flu and only slightly more deadly. Over the past couple of months flu will have killed far more people globally than this virus has. If it had originated in the west no one would think anything of it.
Coronavirus Cases:
80,348
Deaths:
2,707
Recovered:
27,889
Closed Cases
30,596
Cases which had an outcome:
27,889 (91%)
Recovered / Discharged
2,707 (9%)
Deaths0 -
No, that was the post that got moderated a few days ago. Not sure how moderation has led to multiple copies - you would think it should be the opposite.0
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From BigBean's favoutirte page:
Number of tests and positivity rate for Covid-19 as of Feb. 26
What Italy says doesn't match what the figures show (certainly in comparison to UK - the nearest comparble number of tests)
UK: 7,132 concluded tests, of which 13 positive (0.2% positivity rate). [source]
Italy: 9,462 tests, of which 470 positive (5.0% positivity rate), awaiting results: unknown. [source]
France: 762 tests, of which 17 positive (2.2% positivity rate), 179 awaiting results. [source]
Austria: 321 tests, of which 2 positive (0.6% positivity rate), awaiting results: unknown. [source]
United States: 445 concluded tests, of which 14 positive (3.1% positivity rate). [source]
Italy has announced on Feb. 26 that it would begin testing only people with symptoms, claiming that the higher number of cases (compared to other European countries) is due to more tests being conducted.
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I typed a reply but apparently it needs moderation?0
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My post basically said that the overall mortality rate is more complicated than just taking the closed cases and fatalities since a lot of cases don't get reported (a lot of them are very mild). I posted a link to BBC more or less, maybe that caused it to go for moderation??TheBigBean said:No, that was the post that got moderated a few days ago. Not sure how moderation has led to multiple copies - you would think it should be the opposite.
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Best not to quote those words. They clearly contain something dodgybobmcstuff said:I typed a reply but apparently it needs moderation?
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A guardian article implies that Italy was a bit lax. A super spreader was only tested on his third visit to hospital and then it took quite a while after the positive result to quarantine him.mrfpb said:From BigBean's favoutirte page:
What Italy says doesn't match what the figures show (certainly in comparison to UK - the nearest comparble number of tests)0 -
Yes, this assumes there is an iceberg of cases. The trouble is that some experts are not so sure about this which is pretty scary.bobmcstuff said:
My post basically said that the overall mortality rate is more complicated than just taking the closed cases and fatalities since a lot of cases don't get reported (a lot of them are very mild). I posted a link to BBC more or less, maybe that caused it to go for moderation??TheBigBean said:No, that was the post that got moderated a few days ago. Not sure how moderation has led to multiple copies - you would think it should be the opposite.
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Official estimates are around 2% fatality rate in Hubei and less elsewhere. Seasonal flu is much lower - around 0.1% average in the US over the last 10 years, although obviously it varies year to year and country to country.TheBigBean said:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/gsk82 said:This virus is less contagious than flu and only slightly more deadly. Over the past couple of months flu will have killed far more people globally than this virus has. If it had originated in the west no one would think anything of it.
Coronavirus Cases:
80,348
Deaths:
2,707
Recovered:
27,889
Closed Cases
30,596
Cases which had an outcome:
27,889 (91%)
Recovered / Discharged
2,707 (9%)
Deaths
There is a number, likely a very large number, of Coronavirus cases which will never be reported, hence the death rate is much lower than simply taking the total closed cases and the total fatalities. For instance the guy who spread it to that ski chalet in France from a conference in Singapore never showed any symptoms.
Fatalities are overwhelmingly older people with preexisting health problems.
Interesting More or Less on this if you want more: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000f7yf0 -
Official estimates are around 2% fatality rate in Hubei and less elsewhere. Seasonal flu is much lower - around 0.1% average in the US over the last 10 years, although obviously it varies year to year and country to country.TheBigBean said:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/gsk82 said:This virus is less contagious than flu and only slightly more deadly. Over the past couple of months flu will have killed far more people globally than this virus has. If it had originated in the west no one would think anything of it.
Coronavirus Cases:
80,348
Deaths:
2,707
Recovered:
27,889
Closed Cases
30,596
Cases which had an outcome:
27,889 (91%)
Recovered / Discharged
2,707 (9%)
Deaths
There is a number, likely a very large number, of Coronavirus cases which will never be reported, hence the death rate is much lower than simply taking the total closed cases and the total fatalities. For instance the guy who spread it to that ski chalet in France from a conference in Singapore never showed any symptoms.
Fatalities are overwhelmingly older people with preexisting health problems.
Interesting More or Less on this if you want more: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000f7yf0 -
Your post has appeared! It is worth noting that the fatality rate that was initially reported for SARS was 3/4%, but it ended up much higher. In reality no one knows at the moment.0
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Recently the BBC have been number crunching and have this to say on Sars.TheBigBean said:Your post has appeared! It is worth noting that the fatality rate that was initially reported for SARS was 3/4%, but it ended up much higher. In reality no one knows at the moment.
SARS spread across the globe in 2003, infecting more than 8,000 people and killing 774. (approx 9.5%)
Of similar virus, MERS was the worst apparently, killing 858 from 2,494 (one third) of reported cases.
This Virus, while it spreads more easily, is much less potent, but according to the Beeb, is smack in the middle of that SARS figure you quote, at 3.5%/"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Apparently quarantined posts multiply while they are in purgatory...TheBigBean said:Your post has appeared! It is worth noting that the fatality rate that was initially reported for SARS was 3/4%, but it ended up much higher. In reality no one knows at the moment.
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Population of Europe 743 million. Number of cases so far 389. Number of deaths so far 13. So that’s 0.0000017 percent of the population of Europe that have died. You probably have more chance of winning the lottery jackpot than dying from this flu right now.0
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If my maffs is correct, lottery odds are 0.0000022% so yip.0
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Ha! Cheers for checking.0
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I was supposed to be in Beijing this week... also supposed to be in Singapore end of March... and Kuala Lumpur in June... All currently on hold!
Not hard to see how it will affect the economy quite quickly.0 -
The difference being that the odds of winning the lottery will remain b*gger all. The odds of catching covid-19 are likely to change significantly.thegreatdivide said:Population of Europe 743 million. Number of cases so far 389. Number of deaths so far 13. So that’s 0.0000017 percent of the population of Europe that have died. You probably have more chance of winning the lottery jackpot than dying from this flu right now.
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Have a trip to Budapest planned coinciding with the Giro start. Probably perfectly timed for the virus to have spread to Hungary by then.. But if Hungary remains virus free I reckon they should just stay there and have all of the stages in Hungary.
Oh well, paid for free cancellation on the hotel booking and the Ryanair flights were cheap..0 -
First case confirmed in NI
Travelled from Italy via Dublin.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
UAE Tour cancelled apparently.Napoleon, don't be jealous that I've been chatting online with babes all day. Besides, we both know that I'm training to be a cage fighter.0
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Could now be a knock-on to the track worlds as some riders who started at the UAE have now arrived for the worlds.Napoleon, don't be jealous that I've been chatting online with babes all day. Besides, we both know that I'm training to be a cage fighter.0
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“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
If it's reached the UAE team, it's only a matter of time before the season goes into quarantine."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0
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But also it knocks on to rider preparation for the bigger events of Spring and Summer. Lots of riders (eg Froome and Cavendish) need to prove their form to get a place in the bigger events. The more disrupted the season is from here and on, the less prepared teams will be for the Giro and Tour. (Though from a spectator' viewpoint, this may make the races more interesting to watch).
And of course anyone chasing a Classic or Monument is going to have their season ruined by even a week without competitive preparation.0 -
