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Saw this stat which is remarkable:one in 25 American five-year-olds today will not make it to their 40th birthdayThat's a lot of parents burying their children. One per class...!
The average American has the same life expectancy as the lowest life expectancy in the UK (Blackpool)0 -
That would be remarkable if it was true. Average at birth life expectancy in a few grim parts of the UK, Blackpool included is mid 50s. US as a whole is 76 or 79 depending on your source.rick_chasey said:Saw this stat which is remarkable:
one in 25 American five-year-olds today will not make it to their 40th birthdayThat's a lot of parents burying their children. One per class...!
The average American has the same life expectancy as the lowest life expectancy in the UK (Blackpool)
Still surprisingly low, given the UKs is still 81/83 for men/women.
Wonder how that gender related statistic will last....0 -
Is that due to all those killer drag shows?rick_chasey said:Saw this stat which is remarkable:
one in 25 American five-year-olds today will not make it to their 40th birthdayThat's a lot of parents burying their children. One per class...!
The average American has the same life expectancy as the lowest life expectancy in the UK (Blackpool)
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First.Aspect said:
That would be remarkable if it was true. Average at birth life expectancy in a few grim parts of the UK, Blackpool included is mid 50s. US as a whole is 76 or 79 depending on your source.rick_chasey said:Saw this stat which is remarkable:
one in 25 American five-year-olds today will not make it to their 40th birthdayThat's a lot of parents burying their children. One per class...!
The average American has the same life expectancy as the lowest life expectancy in the UK (Blackpool)
Still surprisingly low, given the UKs is still 81/83 for men/women.
Wonder how that gender related statistic will last....
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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Wow.
Think the contrast with expectancy from Age 30 or 40 also makes interesting reading.
In Glasgow, average is 54. After age 40, it is 80.
So if you want to know where to focus health spending....0 -
Lots more stuff on John Burn-Murdoch's Twitter feed.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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That's an interesting stat..First.Aspect said:Wow.
Think the contrast with expectancy from Age 30 or 40 also makes interesting reading.
In Glasgow, average is 54. After age 40, it is 80.
At least I have passed the 40 barrier.
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I know. I always assumed people in Glasgow kust looked really old, but some of them actually are.pinno said:
That's an interesting stat..First.Aspect said:Wow.
Think the contrast with expectancy from Age 30 or 40 also makes interesting reading.
In Glasgow, average is 54. After age 40, it is 80.
At least I have passed the 40 barrier.0 -
Actually, it's public health spending that matters. Prevention> cure.First.Aspect said:Wow.
Think the contrast with expectancy from Age 30 or 40 also makes interesting reading.
In Glasgow, average is 54. After age 40, it is 80.
So if you want to know where to focus health spending....
The NHS is fixated on reactive medicine, rather than proactive. But, politically, that's harder to do, slower burn, and requires joined-up action.
EG anti-smoking campaigns + smoking bans + ban on ads + labelling...
It's just a hill. Get over it.0 -
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With companies akin to Clearview AI there is more success at finding nocent people.0
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Oh come on Sam, that's not a vote winner 'cos the Daily Heil fueled middle classes want to see change now, not in 20 years time.secretsam said:
Actually, it's public health spending that matters. Prevention> cure.First.Aspect said:Wow.
Think the contrast with expectancy from Age 30 or 40 also makes interesting reading.
In Glasgow, average is 54. After age 40, it is 80.
So if you want to know where to focus health spending....
The NHS is fixated on reactive medicine, rather than proactive. But, politically, that's harder to do, slower burn, and requires joined-up action.
EG anti-smoking campaigns + smoking bans + ban on ads + labelling...seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
That you can slide the struts along Raceblade Pro mudguards to adjust the angle of dangle... I'd kind of got them OK by adjusting the struts on the brackets, but it was only when my bike fell over and one pair of struts got nudged that I realised that they moved! D'oh!!0
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Don't set me offpinno said:
Oh come on Sam, that's not a vote winner 'cos the Daily Heil fueled middle classes want to see change now, not in 20 years time.secretsam said:
Actually, it's public health spending that matters. Prevention> cure.First.Aspect said:Wow.
Think the contrast with expectancy from Age 30 or 40 also makes interesting reading.
In Glasgow, average is 54. After age 40, it is 80.
So if you want to know where to focus health spending....
The NHS is fixated on reactive medicine, rather than proactive. But, politically, that's harder to do, slower burn, and requires joined-up action.
EG anti-smoking campaigns + smoking bans + ban on ads + labelling...
It's just a hill. Get over it.0 -
About one minute ago, so that makes at least two of us. I feel stupid now.
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I have to say, having been there, I was not struck by the amount of turquoise.0
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What is intriguing is that the Blue Mosque, which as a lot of turquoise tiles, as in really a lot, isn't called the Turquoise Mosque in English.
Double ignorance I suppose.0 -
The sea over there is Turquoise in all the adverts. Unless it’s the colour on my telly playing up.First.Aspect said:I have to say, having been there, I was not struck by the amount of turquoise.
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Er... whys it not called Greequoise or Croatroise then? Etcwebboo said:
The sea over there is Turquoise in all the adverts. Unless it’s the colour on my telly playing up.First.Aspect said:I have to say, having been there, I was not struck by the amount of turquoise.
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I'm toying with the idea now of using the poncy French pronunciation of the masculine version, "tuurkwah", complete with uvular R. I might wear a bow tie as well, and maybe a waistcoat...0
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Sorry I was just speculating as to the name. Or did the Turks get in there first.First.Aspect said:
Er... whys it not called Greequoise or Croatroise then? Etcwebboo said:
The sea over there is Turquoise in all the adverts. Unless it’s the colour on my telly playing up.First.Aspect said:I have to say, having been there, I was not struck by the amount of turquoise.
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Turks used to run a lot more than just modern Turkey.First.Aspect said:What is intriguing is that the Blue Mosque, which as a lot of turquoise tiles, as in really a lot, isn't called the Turquoise Mosque in English.
Double ignorance I suppose.
Also, it originally referred to the semi-precious stone and only much later was the colour named after the stone. Much like the colour orange is named after the fruit. The Blue Mosque is covered in glazed blue tiles, not turquoise.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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There's all sorts in there, but the effect is more towards the turquoise end of things as I remember it.rjsterry said:
Turks used to run a lot more than just modern Turkey.First.Aspect said:What is intriguing is that the Blue Mosque, which as a lot of turquoise tiles, as in really a lot, isn't called the Turquoise Mosque in English.
Double ignorance I suppose.
Also, it originally referred to the semi-precious stone and only much later was the colour named after the stone. Much like the colour orange is named after the fruit. The Blue Mosque is covered in glazed blue tiles, not turquoise.
The etymology of turquoise is one for Brian I think.
Which came first, then chicken or the egg, Brian?0 -
What about the turkey or the egg?First.Aspect said:
There's all sorts in there, but the effect is more towards the turquoise end of things as I remember it.rjsterry said:
Turks used to run a lot more than just modern Turkey.First.Aspect said:What is intriguing is that the Blue Mosque, which as a lot of turquoise tiles, as in really a lot, isn't called the Turquoise Mosque in English.
Double ignorance I suppose.
Also, it originally referred to the semi-precious stone and only much later was the colour named after the stone. Much like the colour orange is named after the fruit. The Blue Mosque is covered in glazed blue tiles, not turquoise.
The etymology of turquoise is one for Brian I think.
Which came first, then chicken or the egg, Brian?0 -
First.Aspect said:
There's all sorts in there, but the effect is more towards the turquoise end of things as I remember it.rjsterry said:
Turks used to run a lot more than just modern Turkey.First.Aspect said:What is intriguing is that the Blue Mosque, which as a lot of turquoise tiles, as in really a lot, isn't called the Turquoise Mosque in English.
Double ignorance I suppose.
Also, it originally referred to the semi-precious stone and only much later was the colour named after the stone. Much like the colour orange is named after the fruit. The Blue Mosque is covered in glazed blue tiles, not turquoise.
The etymology of turquoise is one for Brian I think.
Which came first, then chicken or the egg, Brian?
Well, well... one of the longest lists of citations I've seen in the OED:a. A precious stone found in Persia (now Iran) ( true turquoise or oriental turquoise), much prized as a gem, of a sky-blue to apple-green colour, almost opaque or sometimes translucent, consisting of hydrous phosphate of aluminium.
α. Middle English–1600s turkeis, Middle English–1600s turkeys, 1500s turkeies, turquays, turkese, turkies, 1600s turcais, torqueis, turquies, -quize, turchis, turkkis; 1500s– turkis, 1600s– turkise (both now archaic).
1398 J. Trevisa tr. Bartholomew de Glanville De Proprietatibus Rerum xvi. xcvi. (Bodl.) lf. 183 b/2 De Turtogis. Turtogis that hatte Turkeis also is a ȝelow white stone and haþ þat name of the contrey of Turkeis. Þis stone kepeþ and saueþ þe siȝt and bredeþ gladnes and comforte.
1463 in S. Tymms Wills & Inventories Bury St. Edmunds (1850) 36 I beqwethe to the said Dame Margarete a doubyl ryng departyd of gold with a ruby and a turkeys.
?1504 S. Hawes Example of Vertu sig. bb.iv Of vertuous turkeys there was a cheyr.
c1530 Court of Love xii There lacked than, nor emerald so grene, Balais, Turkeis, ne thing to my devise.
1545 in J. W. Clay Testamenta Eboracensia (1902) VI. 226 A rynge of golde with a turquays.
a1597 R. Wrag in R. Hakluyt Princ. Navigations (1599) II. i. 306 Orient perles & great Turkeses.
1600 W. Shakespeare Merchant of Venice iii. i. 113 Out vpon her,..it was my Turkies, I had it of Leah when I was a Batcheler. View more context for this quotation
1605 B. Jonson Sejanus i. i. 37 True, as Turkise in the deare Lords ring, Looke well, or ill with him. View more context for this quotation
1608 A. Willet Hexapla in Exodum 642 It is more like to be the turkeis..the turcais is of a blewish metalline colour.
1616 J. Bullokar Eng. Expositor Turkise, a precious stone of a silke blew colour.
1637 J. Milton Comus 31 The azurne sheene Of turkkis blew, and Emrould greene.
1648 T. Gage Eng.-Amer. 71 Bracelets of Turkises and of gold likewise.
1688 R. Holme Acad. Armory ii. 40/2 The Turches or Turky stone..some call it Eranus, others Turcois or Torqueis.
1694 J. Strype Memorials T. Cranmer iii. i. 308 They seized..a good Turkeys and a Diamond.
1859 Ld. Tennyson Enid in Idylls of King 35 The turf was rich in plots that look'd Each like a garnet or a turkis in it.
1877 W. Jones Finger-ring Lore 158 The turquoise, turkise, or turkey-stone having..been supposed to possess talismanic properties.
a1913 S. Vines Hotel 16 in Oxf. Poetry 154 Sapphires and amethysts and wicked Turkises.
β. Middle English–1500s turkes, Middle English–1600s turques, (Middle English torcas, Middle English–1500s Scottish turcas, 1500s turkas, torchas, turcasse, tourques, turquez, toorkes, turquesse, turkesse), 1500s–1600s turches.
1478 in E. Hobhouse Church-wardens' Accts. (1890) 6 A ryng gold with a torcas.
1488 in T. Dickson Accts. Treasurer Scotl. (1877) I. 81 Item, a ryng with a turcas.
1501 in S. Tymms Wills & Inventories Bury St. Edmunds (1850) 91 A ryng of gold wt a toorkes set in.
1511–12 in J. B. Paul Accts. Treasurer Scotl. (1902) IV. 331 Ane ruby, ane turkas.
1513 Will of Robert Fabyan in R. Fabyan New Chrons. Eng. & France (1811) Pref. p. vii A ryng of gold, sett wt a turques, a dyamaunt, and a ruby.
1518 in J. Raine Testamenta Eboracensia (1884) V. 8 A rynge of golde with a stone in hit callede a turkes.
1527 in J. Raine Testamenta Eboracensia (1884) V. 244 Unum annulum cum le torchas.
1530 J. Palsgrave Lesclarcissement 282/1 Tourques a precious stone, tourquois.
1551 T. Wilson Rule of Reason sig. Bv A..stone. comprehendeth in it self, A Saphire, A Rubie, A Christal, A Turkas.
1553 T. Wilson Arte of Rhetorique 209 No Diamonde, no Saphire, no Rubie, no Christall: no Turcasse, no Emerode.
1555 R. Eden tr. Peter Martyr of Angleria Decades of Newe Worlde f. 235v Turquesses are founde in Exer a place of Siech Ismael.
1567 J. Maplet Greene Forest f. 23 The Turches or Turcois, is of the common sort called Eranus... It is called a Turches for that it is onely found in Turkland or amongst the Turkes.
1599 Warning for Faire Women i. 217 You wear a pretty turkesse there, methinks.
1601 R. Chester Loves Martyr 107 The Turches being worne in a Ring.
1625 R. Withers tr. O. Bon Grand Signors Seraglio i, in S. Purchas Pilgrimes II. ix. xv. 1583 A Bason and Ewre..of massie Gold, set with Rubies and Turkesses.
1688 [see α. ].
γ. 1500s turkoise, 1500s–1600s turquoys, turcoyse, turquoies, 1500s–1700s turcois, 1600s–1700s turcoise, ( turchois), 1600s–1800s turkois, (1700s torquois, turkquoise, 1800s tourquois), 1500s– turquoise, -ois.1567Turcois [see β. ].
1601 P. Holland tr. Pliny Hist. World II. xxxvii. viii. 619 The best Turquois is that which approcheth nearest to the grasse green of an Emeraud.
1607 [see sense 1b]. 1631 [see sense 1b].
1646 Sir T. Browne Pseudodoxia Epidemica ii. i. 55 Chrystall..will receive impression from steele, more easily then the Turchois.
a1658 J. Cleveland Clievelandi Vindiciæ (1677) 166 The Compassionate Turcoise confesseth the Sickness of his Wearer by changing colour.
1668 Bp. J. Wilkins Ess. Real Char. ii. iii. 63 Turkois.
1676 Philos. Trans. (Royal Soc.) 11 755 Turkoises are no where found but in Persia.
1679 London Gaz. No. 1418/4 Lost..a Ring with a large Turquoies of the Old Rock, very good colour.
1747 C. Mortimer in Philos. Trans. (Royal Soc.) 44 429 This Stone has received its..Name of Turchesia, and Turquoise, from its being most commonly brought from Turky.
1859 ‘G. Eliot’ Adam Bede I. i. v. 96 The small brown hand..is laden with pearls, diamonds, and turquoises.0 -
Pretty clear from Brian's post that it referred to the stone first. A misapprehension, though as the Turks were just the middle men and turquoise comes from IranFirst.Aspect said:
There's all sorts in there, but the effect is more towards the turquoise end of things as I remember it.rjsterry said:
Turks used to run a lot more than just modern Turkey.First.Aspect said:What is intriguing is that the Blue Mosque, which as a lot of turquoise tiles, as in really a lot, isn't called the Turquoise Mosque in English.
Double ignorance I suppose.
Also, it originally referred to the semi-precious stone and only much later was the colour named after the stone. Much like the colour orange is named after the fruit. The Blue Mosque is covered in glazed blue tiles, not turquoise.
The etymology of turquoise is one for Brian I think.
Which came first, then chicken or the egg, Brian?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Have we had how Turkeys got their name. Brought in to Northern Europe by Turkish seafarers.0
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There are geographical references to colour though. Take Baltic blue for example or Mediterranean blue.First.Aspect said:
Er... whys it not called Greequoise or Croatroise then? Etcwebboo said:
The sea over there is Turquoise in all the adverts. Unless it’s the colour on my telly playing up.First.Aspect said:I have to say, having been there, I was not struck by the amount of turquoise.
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Dont forget Norwegian Blue too.pinno said:
There are geographical references to colour though. Take Baltic blue for example or Mediterranean blue.First.Aspect said:
Er... whys it not called Greequoise or Croatroise then? Etcwebboo said:
The sea over there is Turquoise in all the adverts. Unless it’s the colour on my telly playing up.First.Aspect said:I have to say, having been there, I was not struck by the amount of turquoise.
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