David Millar

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  • surfercyclist
    surfercyclist Posts: 894
    I don't single anyone out, Millar was mentioned as he was subject of OP.

    But whatever, not sure how how opposing cheating makes me a hypocrite but there you go.

    And sorry you are wrong. By the tone here some definitely condone it.
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    SurferCyclist wrote:
    Sorry I was wrong. You are not misinterpreting my posts, you're just a thick ladies front bottom.

    Bottom of the barrel stuff there. Is that all you have left?
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,313
    SurferCyclist wrote:

    And sorry you are wrong. By the tone here some definitely condone it.

    Yes, when they all cheat, it's because the system is not fit for purpose... UCI was not fit for purpose, so I don't see the problem if people didn't follow the rules
    left the forum March 2023
  • simon_e
    simon_e Posts: 1,707
    SurferCyclist wrote:
    Wow, I'm genuinely surprised at how many here seem to defend doping and cheating.
    I am struggling to figure out how you have reached that conclusion. Are you viewing posts that I can't see? I don't get that vibe, in fact over the years it's usually only a few diehard fans of certain riders who insist their hero never doped.
    SurferCyclist wrote:
    Also some here need to read and understand posts before replying as you have definitely misinterpreted some of my posts.
    Let's turn that around: could it be that your posts are provocative and/or easy to misinterpret? It's not always the fault of the other person.
    SurferCyclist wrote:
    I mentioned surf comps etc in response to ugo.santalucia basically inferring I have no sporting talent. Yes willy waving but there you go. Believe it or not, I do or certainly did have sporting talent.
    The relevance of this is lost on me. Also, as ugo appended his comment with a :wink: I'd suggest that the comment shouldn't be taken at face value, though you appear to have done exactly that.
    I also think that drug cheats who are caught with irrefutable evidence should be life banned from competition. It really gets to me that drug cheats are caught, given a two year ban or whatever then allowed to go back in and compete.
    No doubt you'll all disagree with this as well...


    Whatevs.
    Yes, let's disagree with you because it will prove we are all WRONG and you alone are right. :roll:

    Pro cyclists who doped are currently banned for 4 years, not 2. Also, if you've been following the topic over the years, then you'll understand that there are perfectly sensible reasons why a lifetime ban is not appropriate for every infraction (and it won't work as a deterrent either). David Millar is an example. It's easy to think that there's a simple, obvious solution to a complex problem but by definition that is not possible. This applies in all areas of life, not just sport.

    As ugo suggests, it's the culture of those running the sport and the apparent 'brotherhood' of the peloton that means dopers return to the peloton or team car without a murmer or barely an eyebrow raised. That 'brotherhood' showed itself most clearly when people like Paul Kimmage, Greg LeMond and Christophe Bassons spat in the soup and were shunned by virtually everyone. Filippo Simeoni too. It would be good if this was no longer the case but it's impossible to tell from the outside whether much has changed to date.
    Aspire not to have more, but to be more.
  • Tiesetrotter
    Tiesetrotter Posts: 432
    I'd like to make a drug confession. If I didn't take so much Craft Ale and Cider I might make the occasional break in the LVRC C category races.

    Firstly no one died, well except that guy on brandy and amphetamines but, that was a long time ago. Secondly many have come clean and rightly done their time and constant penance. The difference with Lance is that he ruined the lives of those that told the truth, not just denied them but, targeted and abused them.

    Saying all that there are characters who are known to be clean who are commentating and have commentated. Mr LeMond for example. So whilst the odd pundit opinion might be good, I think the commentary team should be kept to the clean. Eurosport are keeping it that way and as we move through the next generation, we'll have more and more characters coming through. I like Juan Antonio's recons' and I think Sir Bradley on the motorbike is great.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Kangarouge wrote:
    Is it just me or did anyone else notice the hypocrisy of Mr Millar offering an opinion, during his commentary on ITV4 on today's TDF stage, of the what 'is good for the sport'? I personally find it a bit rich.

    Does anyone else get irritated by the likes of Armstrong, Millar and Verenque commentating on races?

    But was the opinion right?
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  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Kangarouge wrote:
    Is it just me or did anyone else notice the hypocrisy of Mr Millar offering an opinion, during his commentary on ITV4 on today's TDF stage, of the what 'is good for the sport'? I personally find it a bit rich.

    Does anyone else get irritated by the likes of Armstrong, Millar and Verenque commentating on races?

    But was the opinion right?

    Doesn’t matter. Everyone is entitled to an opinion...
  • craigus89
    craigus89 Posts: 887
    Imposter wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Kangarouge wrote:
    Is it just me or did anyone else notice the hypocrisy of Mr Millar offering an opinion, during his commentary on ITV4 on today's TDF stage, of the what 'is good for the sport'? I personally find it a bit rich.

    Does anyone else get irritated by the likes of Armstrong, Millar and Verenque commentating on races?

    But was the opinion right?

    Doesn’t matter. Everyone is entitled to an opinion...

    But if it's right then it's worth listening to. Otherwise you're watching Eurosport.
  • meursault
    meursault Posts: 1,433
    Crescent wrote:
    I like Millar as a pundit, his assessment of the racing is spot on and I do genuinely believe his contrition over his past is genuine. The one that galls me is Vinokourov - his involvement in cycling still feels very seedy, in my opinion. I do find it a little strange that Virenque is still the poster boy for Festina watches, given their association with the 1998 tour of shame.

    I wondered who that was on the TV ad. I was thinking the casting director needs a good talking to. Although an ugly model does go with the ugly watch.

    The doping debate has been done to death. IMHO the point made above about elite sports people in elite sports getting an edge is important. We don't know what is required at that stratospheric atmosphere (surf dudes aside). If you look carefully at Braislford's quotes, they usually refer to being within the rules rather than clean.

    I'm happy to watch riders flying up mountains however powered. I also think Armstrong TDF titles should be restored. He didn't get off the sofa, take a tablet then win a tour. The history of the sport is about getting an edge. As another poster said, it's up to the governing body to sort.
    Superstition sets the whole world in flames; philosophy quenches them.

    Voltaire
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,166
    meursault wrote:
    I'm happy to watch riders flying up mountains however powered.

    Go watch motorbikes then.
  • poweredbyidris
    poweredbyidris Posts: 848
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    meursault wrote:
    I'm happy to watch riders flying up mountains however powered.

    Go watch motorbikes then.

    He might well be if some corners of the internet are to be believed!
  • meursault
    meursault Posts: 1,433
    I don't like the noise.
    Superstition sets the whole world in flames; philosophy quenches them.

    Voltaire
  • kingstonian
    kingstonian Posts: 2,847
    Imposter wrote:
    SurferCyclist wrote:
    Sorry I was wrong. You are not misinterpreting my posts, you're just a thick ladies front bottom.

    Bottom of the barrel stuff there. Is that all you have left?


    FRONT bottom of the barrel stuff................!!!!!
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,166
    meursault wrote:
    I don't like the noise.

    wear earplugs.
  • meursault
    meursault Posts: 1,433
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    meursault wrote:
    I don't like the noise.

    wear earplugs.

    They divorce me from the experience.

    Is this troll ping pong? Could be a new sport, as long as I can (be a) dope.
    Superstition sets the whole world in flames; philosophy quenches them.

    Voltaire
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,166
    meursault wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    meursault wrote:
    I don't like the noise.

    wear earplugs.

    They divorce me from the experience.

    Where would your limit be on motors powering bikes in bike racing? As long as they look the same as other bikes, and don't make a noise, it's all cool?
  • slowbike
    slowbike Posts: 8,498
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    meursault wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    meursault wrote:
    I don't like the noise.

    wear earplugs.

    They divorce me from the experience.

    Where would your limit be on motors powering bikes in bike racing? As long as they look the same as other bikes, and don't make a noise, it's all cool?
    well - you'd have to sort out the heat dissipation ...
  • meursault
    meursault Posts: 1,433
    No limits, apart from looking cool, good spot.

    That was better than your oh dear edit.
    Superstition sets the whole world in flames; philosophy quenches them.

    Voltaire
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,166
    meursault wrote:
    No limits, apart from looking cool, good spot.

    Got it. Not into the sport.
  • weepsie
    weepsie Posts: 4
    Has anyone ever read Millar's book. Mea Culpa and coming clean nothing. The whole thing is him saying how he was pressured into it, or somebody else made him do it. It's a woe is me, self pitying load of drivel. An excuse for some either poor behaviour, cheating or when something just didnt go his way.

    It's definitely been reframed ever since it came out in how he is trying to change it, or how he always knew it was wrong.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,166
    weepsie wrote:
    Has anyone ever read Millar's book. Mea Culpa and coming clean nothing. The whole thing is him saying how he was pressured into it, or somebody else made him do it. It's a woe is me, self pitying load of drivel. An excuse for some either poor behaviour, cheating or when something just didnt go his way.

    It's definitely been reframed ever since it came out in how he is trying to change it, or how he always knew it was wrong.

    I read it - my main take away was that he says he only got his best results at times when he took a bit of a break from the juicing. Made me wonder why he bothered.
  • surfercyclist
    surfercyclist Posts: 894
    Now now, let's not criticise those who have sinned. I mean, everybody did it apparently, and only a sanctimonious hypocrite would dare mention it was wrong to, you know, cheat.
  • craigus89
    craigus89 Posts: 887
    SurferCyclist wrote:
    Now now, let's not criticise those who have sinned. I mean, everybody did it apparently, and only a sanctimonious hypocrite would dare mention it was wrong to, you know, cheat.

    Rather than repeat the same tripe over and over, why not answer the question I posed earlier that didn't get a response?
    What would you prefer he do? Disappear into the wilderness and never show his face again?
  • surfercyclist
    surfercyclist Posts: 894
    Rather than keep asking the same question again and again, why not read my previous post that says :
    Millar is excellent on tv,
  • craigus89
    craigus89 Posts: 887
    SurferCyclist wrote:
    Rather than keep asking the same question again and again, why not read my previous post that says :
    Millar is excellent on tv,

    So you don’t have an answer. Thanks for confirming what we all thought.
  • surfercyclist
    surfercyclist Posts: 894
    Oh dear, never mind.
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    On the upside, at least surfmatt now knows the phrase ‘sanctimonious hypocrite’...
  • surfercyclist
    surfercyclist Posts: 894
    Imposter wrote:
    On the upside, at least surfmatt now knows the phrase ‘sanctimonious hypocrite’...

    And we also know you are a ladies front bottom to be ignored as a trolling fool.
  • meursault
    meursault Posts: 1,433
    SurferCyclist wrote:
    Oh dear, never mind.

    That's another oh dear. The group isn't making as much progress as I had hoped.
    Superstition sets the whole world in flames; philosophy quenches them.

    Voltaire
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    SurferCyclist wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    On the upside, at least surfmatt now knows the phrase ‘sanctimonious hypocrite’...

    And we also know you are a ladies front bottom to be ignored as a trolling fool.

    Pointing out hypocrisy is never trolling, Matt - and you’re only butthurt because I called you out accurately. Don’t make me dig up your old posts from your previous incarnation...

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