Orla Chennaoui and the breakaway Eurosport

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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,391
    In case she is reading the thread, I'd like to say that I think she's doing a great job and that finally we have some proper cycling discussion and coverage in english - something Chasey has been arguing for for years!

    Given that most of the time I hear her is on a podcast, what she looks like is largely irrelevant.

    (I like the odd story about the 'fun' of moving to The Netherlands too as it reminds me of some...more beaurocratic...times)
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,689
    ddraver wrote:
    In case she is reading the thread, I'd like to say that I think she's doing a great job and that finally we have some proper cycling discussion and coverage in english - something Chasey has been arguing for for years!

    Given that most of the time I hear her is on a podcast, what she looks like is largely irrelevant.

    (I like the odd story about the 'fun' of moving to The Netherlands too as it reminds me of some...more beaurocratic...times)

    Yeah.

    Look the fact it has even come up is fairly depressing.

    Folk who talk about quotas or whatever miss the point and I pity their female spouses, relatives, friends and colleagues.
    _
  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    To be fair it does sometimes feel like that the way clare balding is rolled out at every opportunity. She is so bloody boring.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 21,812
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    ddraver wrote:
    In case she is reading the thread, I'd like to say that I think she's doing a great job and that finally we have some proper cycling discussion and coverage in english - something Chasey has been arguing for for years!

    Given that most of the time I hear her is on a podcast, what she looks like is largely irrelevant.

    (I like the odd story about the 'fun' of moving to The Netherlands too as it reminds me of some...more beaurocratic...times)

    Yeah.

    Look the fact it has even come up is fairly depressing.

    Folk who talk about quotas or whatever miss the point and I pity their female spouses, relatives, friends and colleagues.


    For 3 pages of this thread it didn't come up. Then came one negative comment. That's all it took.
    Most comments are still about the show, not the person, but those that are, are almost universally positive.
    So it seems that now the show has bedded in, it is getting the big thumbs up.
    The fact that some folks find general discussion and even minor criticism sexist, is also depressing.
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  • m.r.m.
    m.r.m. Posts: 3,341
    I personally just ignore the comments and don't answer them. Seems to me the best way of dealing with them, since they then just don't get the attention they don't deserve. Otherwise one possibly offhand comment becomes a 10 page thread with sometimes even people quitting the forum etc. etc.

    But I see the issue in the strategy, that this can be seen as tacit approval. :(
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  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    Some people are too woke for their own good, or even the subjects they are trying to defend
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,391
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    For 3 pages of this thread it didn't come up.

    Dude...it's literally the second sentence...
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 40,538
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    ddraver wrote:
    In case she is reading the thread, I'd like to say that I think she's doing a great job and that finally we have some proper cycling discussion and coverage in english - something Chasey has been arguing for for years!

    Given that most of the time I hear her is on a podcast, what she looks like is largely irrelevant.

    (I like the odd story about the 'fun' of moving to The Netherlands too as it reminds me of some...more beaurocratic...times)

    Yeah.

    Look the fact it has even come up is fairly depressing.

    Folk who talk about quotas or whatever miss the point and I pity their female spouses, relatives, friends and colleagues.


    For 3 pages of this thread it didn't come up. Then came one negative comment. That's all it took.
    Most comments are still about the show, not the person, but those that are, are almost universally positive.
    So it seems that now the show has bedded in, it is getting the big thumbs up.
    The fact that some folks find general discussion and even minor criticism sexist, is also depressing.

    Plus if you look at the posts of the person who made that comment elsewhere on the forum you'd soon work them out.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 26,245
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    The fact that some folks find general discussion and even minor criticism sexist, is also depressing.

    The sexist bits are "she's only there because they need an obligatory female" and "she looks pretty good too". HTH.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 40,538
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    The fact that some folks find general discussion and even minor criticism sexist, is also depressing.

    The sexist bits are "she's only there because they need an obligatory female" and "she looks pretty good too". HTH.

    Yep, but both were by posters that a quick skim of posts will show up as being trolls / wind up merchants.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 26,245
    Pross wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    The fact that some folks find general discussion and even minor criticism sexist, is also depressing.

    The sexist bits are "she's only there because they need an obligatory female" and "she looks pretty good too". HTH.

    Yep, but both were by posters that a quick skim of posts will show up as being trolls / wind up merchants.

    True.
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,196
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    The fact that some folks find general discussion and even minor criticism sexist, is also depressing.

    The sexist bits are "she's only there because they need an obligatory female" and "she looks pretty good too". HTH.

    Yep, but both were by posters that a quick skim of posts will show up as being trolls / wind up merchants.

    True.
    Although anybody browsing the forum who wasn't a regular member isn't likely to know that. Would they really start trawling through posters previous posts?

    Just thinking about how it would look to an outsider...
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 13,326
    If cycling is the new golf, then bits of this thread are like the bloody clubhouse....
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  • alanparsons
    alanparsons Posts: 529
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    If cycling is the new golf, then bits of this thread are like the bloody clubhouse....

    Obviously the men's lounge in the clubhouse.
  • Wayne Plunger
    Wayne Plunger Posts: 444
    Looks like the 60's neo soul band The Righteous Brothers have reformed.
  • Alejandrosdog
    Alejandrosdog Posts: 1,975
    There’s nothing wrong with saying someone looks good. These things do actually make a difference to normal socialised people.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,391
    Whats neo soul?
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  • m.r.m.
    m.r.m. Posts: 3,341
    New soul? New Seoul? In our dystopian future where we are ruled by the evil overlord Grave Tailsford, pockets of resistance form. Our journey takes us to New Seoul where diminutive Japanese former racer Fumiyuki Beppu works as a bike courier and is delivering a package that could change the fate of mankind forever...
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  • larkim
    larkim Posts: 2,474
    There's some merit in arguing that pundits need to have taken part in the sport to give that crucial insight "I've been in that situation, and what I did was XYZ". But that's pundits only. Commentators, hosts, presenters don't need that.

    The best pundits can then turn their hands to commentary or hosting too.

    Equally, generic presenters (male, female, old, young, pig ugly, drop dead gorgeous) who put in the research work can turn those skills into excellent commentary and hosting no matter what the sport.
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,391
    M.R.M. wrote:
    New soul? New Seoul? In our dystopian future where we are ruled by the evil overlord Grave Tailsford, pockets of resistance form. Our journey takes us to New Seoul where diminutive Japanese former racer Fumiyuki Beppu works as a bike courier and is delivering a package that could change the fate of mankind forever...

    Wasnt that called Premium Rush with that lovely Joseph Gordon Levitt in it?
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  • surfercyclist
    surfercyclist Posts: 894
    She seems alright but what really gets to me is there are one or two rugby presenters who are only there for looks and/or family connections. Case in point Sara Elgin who does Scrum V and BT Sport rugby presenting. Spends all the time preening and pouting in front of camera, totters around in ridiculously high stiletto heels etc. WTF. Oh, and for a ahem, coincidence, is married to Simon Easterby. Wonder how she got job because it's not on rugby knowledge.


    Whereas ITV employ Maggie Alphonsi (ex WC winner, multi-award rugby player) and Channel 5 use Danielle Waterman, again ex player who's been there done it, won it, so knows about game. These ladies are there for their insight and rugby knowledge and are excellent.
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 13,326
    Neo Soul is a thing, as it goes. But it's 90's stuff like D'Angelo, nothing to do with 60's crooners.
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  • Wayne Plunger
    Wayne Plunger Posts: 444
    SurferCyclist wrote:
    She seems alright but what really gets to me is there are one or two rugby presenters who are only there for looks and/or family connections. Case in point Sara Elgin who does Scrum V and BT Sport rugby presenting. Spends all the time preening and pouting in front of camera, totters around in ridiculously high stiletto heels etc. WTF. Oh, and for a ahem, coincidence, is married to Simon Easterby. Wonder how she got job because it's not on rugby knowledge.


    Whereas ITV employ Maggie Alphonsi (ex WC winner, multi-award rugby player) and Channel 5 use Danielle Waterman, again ex player who's been there done it, won it, so knows about game. These ladies are there for their insight and rugby knowledge and are excellent.

    Sara Elgan's dad got 13 Welsh Rugby Caps so one would presume she does know something about rugger. Certainly when I have seen her on Jonathan on S4c she appears knowledgeable about the sport. Maybe that same confidence doesn't come out when presenting in English.
  • surfercyclist
    surfercyclist Posts: 894
    Wayne Plunger wrote:
    SurferCyclist wrote:
    She seems alright but what really gets to me is there are one or two rugby presenters who are only there for looks and/or family connections. Case in point Sara Elgin who does Scrum V and BT Sport rugby presenting. Spends all the time preening and pouting in front of camera, totters around in ridiculously high stiletto heels etc. WTF. Oh, and for a ahem, coincidence, is married to Simon Easterby. Wonder how she got job because it's not on rugby knowledge.


    Whereas ITV employ Maggie Alphonsi (ex WC winner, multi-award rugby player) and Channel 5 use Danielle Waterman, again ex player who's been there done it, won it, so knows about game. These ladies are there for their insight and rugby knowledge and are excellent.

    Sara Elgan's dad got 13 Welsh Rugby Caps so one would presume she does know something about egg chasing.

    Yes I know but if you watch it is blindingly obvious she doesn't have a clue, asking inane questions and making irrelevant comments. Still, keeps the make-up and hair staff in work I suppose. :roll:
  • Ben6899
    Ben6899 Posts: 9,686
    Wayne Plunger wrote:
    SurferCyclist wrote:
    She seems alright but what really gets to me is there are one or two rugby presenters who are only there for looks and/or family connections. Case in point Sara Elgin who does Scrum V and BT Sport rugby presenting. Spends all the time preening and pouting in front of camera, totters around in ridiculously high stiletto heels etc. WTF. Oh, and for a ahem, coincidence, is married to Simon Easterby. Wonder how she got job because it's not on rugby knowledge.


    Whereas ITV employ Maggie Alphonsi (ex WC winner, multi-award rugby player) and Channel 5 use Danielle Waterman, again ex player who's been there done it, won it, so knows about game. These ladies are there for their insight and rugby knowledge and are excellent.

    Sara Elgan's dad got 13 Welsh Rugby Caps so one would presume she does know something about rugger. Certainly when I have seen her on Jonathan on S4c she appears knowledgeable about the sport. Maybe that same confidence doesn't come out when presenting in English.

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  • surfercyclist
    surfercyclist Posts: 894
    Ben6899 wrote:
    Wayne Plunger wrote:
    SurferCyclist wrote:
    She seems alright but what really gets to me is there are one or two rugby presenters who are only there for looks and/or family connections. Case in point Sara Elgin who does Scrum V and BT Sport rugby presenting. Spends all the time preening and pouting in front of camera, totters around in ridiculously high stiletto heels etc. WTF. Oh, and for a ahem, coincidence, is married to Simon Easterby. Wonder how she got job because it's not on rugby knowledge.


    Whereas ITV employ Maggie Alphonsi (ex WC winner, multi-award rugby player) and Channel 5 use Danielle Waterman, again ex player who's been there done it, won it, so knows about game. These ladies are there for their insight and rugby knowledge and are excellent.

    Sara Elgan's dad got 13 Welsh Rugby Caps so one would presume she does know something about rugger. Certainly when I have seen her on Jonathan on S4c she appears knowledgeable about the sport. Maybe that same confidence doesn't come out when presenting in English.

    One of you will spell her name correctly in a minute.

    Meh, can't be arsed.
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 6,922
    Well Austin Healey won a good number of caps and is a complete bell end most of the time.
  • surfercyclist
    surfercyclist Posts: 894
    Dorset Boy wrote:
    Well Austin Healey won a good number of caps and is a complete bell end most of the time.

    I disagree. He's a complete bellend ALL the time.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,153
    Scrum V started to go downhill once Jason Mohammad left and they replaced him with dual main presenters.

    (Six Nations version only. I don't watch the club version)
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 20,619
    Wiggins makes it completely unwatchable in any case.

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