Orla Chennaoui and the breakaway Eurosport

yorkshireraw

RichN95 wrote:

Is B0ll0cks still swearing? A major political party is currently using it in an election slogan

TBH it doesn't bother me but guess at 4.30pm they have to play it safe on TV.

joe2008

RichN95 wrote:

Is B0ll0cks still swearing? A major political party is currently using it in an election slogan

Wasn't it used by some punk band 42 years ago!!!

argyllflyer

As noted above, Carlton and Maggy are doing the Giro for Eurosport International, while Hatch & Sean are doing it for ESUK.

Declan Quigley currently has the gig of providing English commentary to RCS for the international non-Eurosport market, and with Matt Stephens bolloxing his way around Italy too, that has freed up a seat for Tony Gibb to do some lead commentary, at Tour of Calfornia and 4 Jours...

6wheels

argyllflyer wrote:

As noted above, Carlton and Maggy are doing the Giro for Eurosport International, while Hatch & Sean are doing it for ESUK.

Declan Quigley currently has the gig of providing English commentary to RCS for the international non-Eurosport market, and with Matt Stephens bolloxing his way around Italy too, that has freed up a seat for Tony Gibb to do some lead commentary, at Tour of Calfornia and 4 Jours...

Is it possible to get ES International on the Player, I'm getting fed up with Rob Hatch?

I wish they would use Declan Quigley on the bigger races, I think he's very underrated.

rick_chasey

6wheels wrote:

argyllflyer wrote:

As noted above, Carlton and Maggy are doing the Giro for Eurosport International, while Hatch & Sean are doing it for ESUK.

Declan Quigley currently has the gig of providing English commentary to RCS for the international non-Eurosport market, and with Matt Stephens bolloxing his way around Italy too, that has freed up a seat for Tony Gibb to do some lead commentary, at Tour of Calfornia and 4 Jours...

Is it possible to get ES International on the Player, I'm getting fed up with Rob Hatch?

I wish they would use Declan Quigley on the bigger races, I think he's very underrated.

For real? Pourquoi?

mrfpb

PBlakeney wrote:

Here’s another thought. Look at Brian’s mouth and try to get this image out of your head. Jack Nicholson as the Joker in Batman.

He also has the same voice as Frankie Boyle - imagine that job swap.

shipley

Salsiccia1 wrote:

Not watching much of Sky I hadn't seen her before, but I think she's doing an excellent job. She's obviously a good presenter, very polished and understands the sport well.

I agree, I thinks she’s brought a breath of fresh air to the coverage of the stages and asks sensible questions to keep the discussion going. Eurosport are doing really well in my opinion, apart from Rob Hatch who needs to reign back a bit on the foreign pronunciations.

Don’t try so hard son - we get the idea !!

richard_t._biscuit

Shipley wrote:

Salsiccia1 wrote:

Not watching much of Sky I hadn't seen her before, but I think she's doing an excellent job. She's obviously a good presenter, very polished and understands the sport well.

I agree, I thinks she’s brought a breath of fresh air to the coverage of the stages and asks sensible questions to keep the discussion going. Eurosport are doing really well in my opinion, apart from Rob Hatch who needs to reign back a bit on the foreign pronunciations.

Don’t try so hard son - we get the idea !!

I tend to excuse the Eurosport comms on this because I figure they tend to be/have to be multiligual, so maybe the foreign pronunciations come out naturally than anglicised ones when they are used to flipping between languages

I agree that Orla is doing a good job, as is Eurosport.

Trying to enjoy the consistently enjoyable Giro coverage and not think of the K word for now...

blazing_saddles

Shipley wrote:

Salsiccia1 wrote:

Not watching much of Sky I hadn't seen her before, but I think she's doing an excellent job. She's obviously a good presenter, very polished and understands the sport well.

I agree, I thinks she’s brought a breath of fresh air to the coverage of the stages and asks sensible questions to keep the discussion going. Eurosport are doing really well in my opinion, apart from Rob Hatch who needs to reign back a bit on the foreign pronunciations.

Don’t try so hard son - we get the idea !!

Why, if it's foreign and that's how it's pronounced?
Tony Gibb was using Franglais commentating on Dunkerque, last week.
He managed to turn a town in Northern France into a well known US prison.
Can't understand how anybody could find this preferable.

salsiccia1

Blazing Saddles wrote:

Shipley wrote:

Salsiccia1 wrote:

Not watching much of Sky I hadn't seen her before, but I think she's doing an excellent job. She's obviously a good presenter, very polished and understands the sport well.

I agree, I thinks she’s brought a breath of fresh air to the coverage of the stages and asks sensible questions to keep the discussion going. Eurosport are doing really well in my opinion, apart from Rob Hatch who needs to reign back a bit on the foreign pronunciations.

Don’t try so hard son - we get the idea !!

Why, if it's foreign and that's how it's pronounced?
Tony Gibb was using Franglais commentating on Dunkerque, last week.
He managed to turn a town in Northern France into a well known US prison.
Can't understand how anybody could find this preferable.

Rob Hatch lived in Italy for some time so I'd expect him to get the Italian pronunciations right!

In all seriousness, making the effort to get foreign pronunciations correct is a sign of respect for the language, and in this case a sign of someone taking their job seriously. It's refreshing to hear a native-English speaker show that respect.

rick_chasey

If you speak the language it’s weird to not do them properly.

iainf72

I bet a lot of the people complaining about Hatch's pronunciation say "Paree-Neece" or "Paree-Roubaix" rather than being purists like Sean Kelly and saying "Paris" (with an S)

philbar72

its in the French/ Belgian races, where he draws the most dissent. some friends all watch the "classics" and he gets a few of them upset. personally, I think he is one of the better commentators. certainly better than that berk Kirby.

shipley

Jeez lads take it easy !! My point was he over eggs it to the point where it sounds odd or put on.

Believe me I love Europe and it’s languages, I’d move to France in a heartbeat if Mrs Shipley and the Shiplettes were up for it but it’s not the right time at the moment.
In the meantime well done Eurosport for excellent coverage this year so far.

I do hope they include ‘the breakaway ‘ for the TdF

RichN95.

Shipley wrote:

Jeez lads take it easy !! My point was he over eggs it to the point where it sounds odd or put on.

Hatch's entire commentary voice is a bit put on. He uses his 'telephone' voice, rather than his naturally stronger Lancashire accent.

6wheels

RichN95 wrote:

Shipley wrote:

Jeez lads take it easy !! My point was he over eggs it to the point where it sounds odd or put on.

Hatch's entire commentary voice is a bit put on. He uses his 'telephone' voice, rather than his naturally stronger Lancashire accent.

Kirby is much better to listen to than Hatch over 3/4 hours, at least he can be funny now and again.

larkim

I'm glad I'm not the only one who actively prefers the sound of CK rather than RH. Not necessarily the actual words or content though

Pross

larkim wrote:

I'm glad I'm not the only one who actively prefers the sound of CK rather than RH. Not necessarily the actual words or content though

I wouldn't go that far but he perhaps doesn't bring Kelly often enough so it can sound a bit monotone at times. He's so much better at realising there doesn't have to be a voice the whole time though.

bobmcstuff

I would watch the commentary free stream or put the TV on mute before I would listen to Kirbys verbal diahorrhea.

I'm not sure I have ever heard him be genuinely funny but if he tries he completely ruins it by giggling to himself for 5 minutes afterwards. Complete bellend.

blazing_saddles

bobmcstuff wrote:

I would watch the commentary free stream or put the TV on mute before I would listen to Kirbys verbal diahorrhea.

I'm not sure I have ever heard him be genuinely funny but if he tries he completely ruins it by giggling to himself for 5 minutes afterwards. Complete bellend.

Wayne Plunger

My personal opinion (fwiw) is that I just want to watch the bike race. I do not want to watch "pundits" and the now obligatory female presenter who may or may not have any knowledge of the sport in question but PC dictates.

I certainly don't want to cut away during the race to listen to four more people getting on the punditry gravy train.

I have been watching the Giro on S4c and will stick with them for any other races they show this year.

Would also agree with some previous posters that I would prefer Declan's commentary to Rob Hatch.

bobmcstuff

A woman presenter?!? Heaven forfend!!!

gsk82

bobmcstuff wrote:

A woman presenter?!? Heaven forfend!!!

Orla is doing ok. But there's plenty of other sports where its cringeworthy. Most of the women footballing pundits are no better than having a child doing the job. Sky sports having a woman doing rugby league is just embarrassing. She cant possibly have played at any serious level, because there isn't one.

blazing_saddles

Wayne Plunger wrote:

My personal opinion (fwiw) is that I just want to watch the bike race. I do not want to watch "pundits" and the now obligatory female presenter who may or may not have any knowledge of the sport in question but PC dictates.

I certainly don't want to cut away during the race to listen to four more people getting on the punditry gravy train.

I have been watching the Giro on S4C and will stick with them for any other races they show this year.

I'd agree with all of this. Horses for courses, (merit) not because someone ticks a particular PC box. Although, nowadays I expect this viewpoint to be labelled as backward, by those of more advanced thinking.

However, S4C have 22 year old Manon Lloyd on coms. Used to be part of the UK track team sprint squad, currently rides for Team Drops, along with the Barkers. Also used to live next door to my sister, out in darkest West Wales.
A bit of a strange, BC coincidence, I've always felt. Anyhow, before this Giro started, I doubt she could have named more than 3 riders in the race, if my family is anything to go by.

So, a bit of an odd choice, there.

mididoctors

gsk82 wrote:

bobmcstuff wrote:

A woman presenter?!? Heaven forfend!!!

Orla is doing ok. But there's plenty of other sports where its cringeworthy. Most of the women footballing pundits are no better than having a child doing the job. Sky sports having a woman doing rugby league is just embarrassing. She cant possibly have played at any serious level, because there isn't one.

I don't think being a non participant women disqualifies as a anchor anymore than most of the people on this forum. Besides I know nothing about being a TV presenter.

mrfpb

Clare Balding was a fantastic Horse Racing presenter, but I don't think she does well outside that field, but the Beeb use her for PC reasons. Sue Barker is great on anything, that's down to journalistic skills not sporting experience. John Inverdale is terrible at everything, If the PC practice promoting women keeps him off the screen, then Hallelujah.

As far as the breakaway is concerned, Orla is fine. The program is always better when Bradley Wiggins is on. He's a naturally good TV personality. (Remember the "Is it time to draw the raffle" announcement on the podium in Paris)

Wayne Plunger

Blazing Saddles wrote:

Wayne Plunger wrote:

My personal opinion (fwiw) is that I just want to watch the bike race. I do not want to watch "pundits" and the now obligatory female presenter who may or may not have any knowledge of the sport in question but PC dictates.

I certainly don't want to cut away during the race to listen to four more people getting on the punditry gravy train.

I have been watching the Giro on S4C and will stick with them for any other races they show this year.

I'd agree with all of this. Horses for courses, (merit) not because someone ticks a particular PC box. Although, nowadays I expect this viewpoint to be labelled as backward, by those of more advanced thinking.

However, S4C have 22 year old Manon Lloyd on coms. Used to be part of the UK track team sprint squad, currently rides for Team Drops, along with the Barkers. Also used to live next door to my sister, out in darkest West Wales.
A bit of a strange, BC coincidence, I've always felt. Anyhow, before this Giro started, I doubt she could have named more than 3 riders in the race, if my family is anything to go by.

So, a bit of an odd choice, there.

I think the choice is often limited by availability of Welsh speakers in the required field. There will be a "job for life" when Scott Davies retires from the peloton.

gsk82

mididoctors wrote:

gsk82 wrote:

bobmcstuff wrote:

A woman presenter?!? Heaven forfend!!!

Orla is doing ok. But there's plenty of other sports where its cringeworthy. Most of the women footballing pundits are no better than having a child doing the job. Sky sports having a woman doing rugby league is just embarrassing. She cant possibly have played at any serious level, because there isn't one.

I don't think being a non participant women disqualifies as a anchor anymore than most of the people on this forum. Besides I know nothing about being a TV presenter.

My last sentence was about the sky rugby league lady. She's on as a pundit.

I think the presenter should be a presenter first and foremost. They're not there to give opinions, just to extract them

Wayne Plunger

The other, purely personal, reason for watching on S4c is that I can watch on DTV rather than through the Sky Box.

Don't know if it is my hearing but I find I can watch normal TV with a very low volume but the minute I go via Sky Box I struggle with making out what people are saying even if the volume is up at 50!!

rick_chasey

The state of this thread.