**Paris - Roubaix 2019** **Spoiler Thread**
Comments
-
Plus the team mates don't necessarily contribute an awful lot.. Riding on a hard pave section in front of your leader can be a hindrance.
That being said, Sagan missed Oss on Sunday big time didn't he, that man is worth his weight in gold on days like that0 -
[/quote]lettingthedaysgoby wrote:
I was thinking that too. I know they’d all rather have their own, but at that point surely any working bike is better than being stuck in one gear?"alanparsons” wrote:Surprised he didn't take a bike off the roof of neutral service though, he was having long conversations with them.
Suppose it depends on pedals too.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
AFAIK the Mavic cars carry a selection of different types.DeVlaeminck wrote:Suppose it depends on pedals too.0 -
lettingthedaysgoby wrote:
AFAIK the Mavic cars carry a selection of different types.DeVlaeminck wrote:Suppose it depends on pedals too.
Indeed they do, but obviously Sep didn't fancy any of the options available.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxwNIRb1bD80 -
ShutupJens wrote:Plus the team mates don't necessarily contribute an awful lot.. Riding on a hard pave section in front of your leader can be a hindrance.
That being said, Sagan missed Oss on Sunday big time didn't he, that man is worth his weight in gold on days like that
In a race like P-R having a team mate around is essential, not to ride in front but to be not far behind.
If Sep Vanmarcke had a team mate within a minute of him he could have swapped bikes.0 -
He already had swapped bikes with Langeveld, I thought?alanparsons wrote:ShutupJens wrote:Plus the team mates don't necessarily contribute an awful lot.. Riding on a hard pave section in front of your leader can be a hindrance.
That being said, Sagan missed Oss on Sunday big time didn't he, that man is worth his weight in gold on days like that
In a race like P-R having a team mate around is essential, not to ride in front but to be not far behind.
If Sep Vanmarcke had a team mate within a minute of him he could have swapped bikes.0 -
bobmcstuff wrote:
He already had swapped bikes with Langeveld, I thought?alanparsons wrote:ShutupJens wrote:Plus the team mates don't necessarily contribute an awful lot.. Riding on a hard pave section in front of your leader can be a hindrance.
That being said, Sagan missed Oss on Sunday big time didn't he, that man is worth his weight in gold on days like that
In a race like P-R having a team mate around is essential, not to ride in front but to be not far behind.
If Sep Vanmarcke had a team mate within a minute of him he could have swapped bikes.
that one broke as well? yes, I remember him with a different bike number...0 -
Alejandrosdog wrote:The thing with the classics is after the teams are burned it’s man on man and not in a mincing mountain goat kind of way
Like Froome at the Giro last year then?2020/2021/2022 Metric Century Challenge Winner0 -
Yes, watching Froome attack 80km from the finish to win the Giro was really dull and I hope it never happens again.Shipley wrote:
Agreed and long may it continue. SKY or whatever hopefully will never crack the classics......they are classics for a reason. Exciting, unpredictable, iconic and locally supported with genuine affection. Their ‘lockdown’ tactics would be appalling. I do hope they stick to the TdF and leave the rest alone - it’s a pleasure seeing ‘proper’ racing.
Whereas watching Gilbert do the same thing from 50km at Flanders was really exciting.0 -
bobmcstuff wrote:
Yes, watching Froome attack 80km from the finish to win the Giro was really dull and I hope it never happens again.Shipley wrote:
Agreed and long may it continue. SKY or whatever hopefully will never crack the classics......they are classics for a reason. Exciting, unpredictable, iconic and locally supported with genuine affection. Their ‘lockdown’ tactics would be appalling. I do hope they stick to the TdF and leave the rest alone - it’s a pleasure seeing ‘proper’ racing.
Whereas watching Gilbert do the same thing from 50km at Flanders was really exciting.
It's funny isn't it? Paris Roubaix is by and large a war of attrition until the strongest few battle it out in a sprint in the velodrome. A GT mountain stage is often a whittling down of the group until a sprint at the end of a mountain. The only real difference is that the whittling in a mountain stage tends to happen over a longer timeframe than the whittling over pave or a berg, as there are inevitably more of both than there are mountains.0 -
CarbonClem wrote:Alejandrosdog wrote:The thing with the classics is after the teams are burned it’s man on man and not in a mincing mountain goat kind of way
Like Froome at the Giro last year then?
it was an incredible athletic feat but i didnt find it exciting, if anything it reminded me of Floyd Llandis doing a similar thing to regain his yellow jersey. It made me a little sad0 -
Alejandrosdog wrote:CarbonClem wrote:Alejandrosdog wrote:The thing with the classics is after the teams are burned it’s man on man and not in a mincing mountain goat kind of way
Like Froome at the Giro last year then?
it was an incredible athletic feat but i didnt find it exciting, if anything it reminded me of Floyd Llandis doing a similar thing to regain his yellow jersey. It made me a little sad
Wrong sport for you then, Id suggest.2020/2021/2022 Metric Century Challenge Winner0 -
And Gilbert's Flanders win?Alejandrosdog wrote:CarbonClem wrote:Alejandrosdog wrote:The thing with the classics is after the teams are burned it’s man on man and not in a mincing mountain goat kind of way
Like Froome at the Giro last year then?
it was an incredible athletic feat but i didnt find it exciting, if anything it reminded me of Floyd Llandis doing a similar thing to regain his yellow jersey. It made me a little sad0 -
CarbonClem wrote:Alejandrosdog wrote:The thing with the classics is after the teams are burned it’s man on man and not in a mincing mountain goat kind of way
Like Froome at the Giro last year then?
Yeah lightweight"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
That race was balls out from km 1. Insane really. Strongest guy won. The end"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
-
bobmcstuff wrote:
And Gilbert's Flanders win?Alejandrosdog wrote:CarbonClem wrote:Alejandrosdog wrote:The thing with the classics is after the teams are burned it’s man on man and not in a mincing mountain goat kind of way
Like Froome at the Giro last year then?
it was an incredible athletic feat but i didnt find it exciting, if anything it reminded me of Floyd Llandis doing a similar thing to regain his yellow jersey. It made me a little sad
Very different. PGs win was just ahead of the other favourites not in a different time zone . Plus it’s usual
For the last man standing to win pr. it’s not usual to win the giro like that. Well not since the days of “the cobra” and nesp rat boy anyway.0 -
Alejandrosdog wrote:bobmcstuff wrote:
And Gilbert's Flanders win?Alejandrosdog wrote:CarbonClem wrote:Alejandrosdog wrote:The thing with the classics is after the teams are burned it’s man on man and not in a mincing mountain goat kind of way
Like Froome at the Giro last year then?
it was an incredible athletic feat but i didnt find it exciting, if anything it reminded me of Floyd Llandis doing a similar thing to regain his yellow jersey. It made me a little sad
Very different. PGs win was just ahead of the other favourites not in a different time zone . Plus it’s usual
For the last man standing to win pr. it’s not usual to win the giro like that. Well not since the days of “the cobra” and nesp rat boy anyway.
PG winning by 29s is "just ahead" whereas Froome's 40s lead in the pink after that day was just gargantuan, no coming back from that for his rivals!
Out of interest, where is it between 29s and 40s lead does the excitement turn off for you?0 -
I'm usually finished around 33s. Can't speak for Vino's ghost.0
-
The race ended for me when Gilbert pulled away with Politt and I switched off.0
-
joey54321 wrote:Alejandrosdog wrote:bobmcstuff wrote:
And Gilbert's Flanders win?Alejandrosdog wrote:CarbonClem wrote:Alejandrosdog wrote:The thing with the classics is after the teams are burned it’s man on man and not in a mincing mountain goat kind of way
Like Froome at the Giro last year then?
it was an incredible athletic feat but i didnt find it exciting, if anything it reminded me of Floyd Llandis doing a similar thing to regain his yellow jersey. It made me a little sad
Very different. PGs win was just ahead of the other favourites not in a different time zone . Plus it’s usual
For the last man standing to win pr. it’s not usual to win the giro like that. Well not since the days of “the cobra” and nesp rat boy anyway.
PG winning by 29s is "just ahead" whereas Froome's 40s lead in the pink after that day was just gargantuan, no coming back from that for his rivals!
Out of interest, where is it between 29s and 40s lead does the excitement turn off for you?
I'd hazard a guess at 39.99s.
hypster wrote:The race ended for me when Gilbert pulled away with Politt and I switched off.
Wrong race, but yeah, pretty much."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Let's not forget that the time gap didn't matter for Gilbert - he got off and walked across the linejoey54321 wrote:PG winning by 29s is "just ahead" whereas Froome's 40s lead in the pink after that day was just gargantuan, no coming back from that for his rivals!
Out of interest, where is it between 29s and 40s lead does the excitement turn off for you?Twitter: @RichN950 -
Yes I’m about 33 tooShirley Basso wrote:I'm usually finished around 33s. Can't speak for Vino's ghost.0 -
RichN95 wrote:
Let's not forget that the time gap didn't matter for Gilbert - he got off and walked across the linejoey54321 wrote:PG winning by 29s is "just ahead" whereas Froome's 40s lead in the pink after that day was just gargantuan, no coming back from that for his rivals!
Out of interest, where is it between 29s and 40s lead does the excitement turn off for you?
It’s tactically entirely different as as soon as it’s clear Phil is not coming back you start playing tactics for 2nd.
If it’s a GC race your placing at that point is moot save for bonifications so you work hard to keep the gap down.0 -
phreak wrote:bobmcstuff wrote:
Yes, watching Froome attack 80km from the finish to win the Giro was really dull and I hope it never happens again.Shipley wrote:
Agreed and long may it continue. SKY or whatever hopefully will never crack the classics......they are classics for a reason. Exciting, unpredictable, iconic and locally supported with genuine affection. Their ‘lockdown’ tactics would be appalling. I do hope they stick to the TdF and leave the rest alone - it’s a pleasure seeing ‘proper’ racing.
Whereas watching Gilbert do the same thing from 50km at Flanders was really exciting.
It's funny isn't it? Paris Roubaix is by and large a war of attrition until the strongest few battle it out in a sprint in the velodrome. A GT mountain stage is often a whittling down of the group until a sprint at the end of a mountain. The only real difference is that the whittling in a mountain stage tends to happen over a longer timeframe than the whittling over pave or a berg, as there are inevitably more of both than there are mountains.
On a grand tour only 30-40% of the peloton is actually racing and people give up much sooner as you can’t ruin yourself as you’ve got to ride the next day.
It’s tactically entirely different.
If we criticised Yates in the Giro for throwing too many attacks and paying the price, that impacts the tactics.
Part of the reason to wait untill the final climb to do anything is how much more costly an earlier attack is and for what gain?
In a one dayer, who cares if you’re totally f@cked at the end.0 -
Some people do evidently.0
-
hypster wrote:The race ended for me when Gilbert pulled away with Politt and I switched off.
?
The prospect of Gilbert (who often missed Roubaix by design) of winning was mouth watering.
Gilbert is class and he won against a rider who theoretically, could beat him in a sprint, so it wasn't a done deal. 36 years old too!
What do you want at the end of P-R? A mass sprint?!
Did you not like either rider?
It's a grind. Long and arduous grind where the peleton get's whittled away and then there's only a handful left in contention for top spot. The clever one's who went at the right time and conserved enough/were strong enough for the finale. Sunday's P-R was one of the best in years with action from the off, virtually.
Did you switch off when Cancellara solo'd to victory after attacking Boonen on the Muur during Flanders, 2010?seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:phreak wrote:bobmcstuff wrote:
Yes, watching Froome attack 80km from the finish to win the Giro was really dull and I hope it never happens again.Shipley wrote:
Agreed and long may it continue. SKY or whatever hopefully will never crack the classics......they are classics for a reason. Exciting, unpredictable, iconic and locally supported with genuine affection. Their ‘lockdown’ tactics would be appalling. I do hope they stick to the TdF and leave the rest alone - it’s a pleasure seeing ‘proper’ racing.
Whereas watching Gilbert do the same thing from 50km at Flanders was really exciting.
It's funny isn't it? Paris Roubaix is by and large a war of attrition until the strongest few battle it out in a sprint in the velodrome. A GT mountain stage is often a whittling down of the group until a sprint at the end of a mountain. The only real difference is that the whittling in a mountain stage tends to happen over a longer timeframe than the whittling over pave or a berg, as there are inevitably more of both than there are mountains.
On a grand tour only 30-40% of the peloton is actually racing and people give up much sooner as you can’t ruin yourself as you’ve got to ride the next day.
It’s tactically entirely different.
If we criticised Yates in the Giro for throwing too many attacks and paying the price, that impacts the tactics.
Part of the reason to wait untill the final climb to do anything is how much more costly an earlier attack is and for what gain?
In a one dayer, who cares if you’re totally f@cked at the end.
Nah, sorry.
Take E3, Flanders or Dwars and as soon as the race hits the hellingen and what happens? Riders immediately go out the back and in no time the peloton is half a km long, then it splits and we never see the back half again. Pretty much all end up DNFs: usually 30-40% and usually including some of the bigger names, who potentially have other goals.
Case it point is the man himself: Phil Gilbert: DNS in both Dwars and Flanders, then whammo.
It not as if these entirely different tactics are not just as predictable, either. Things always happen at certain key spots.
Flanders used to start in earnest on the Taaienberg, since it's been moved closer to the finish and the muur has returned, it's now the muur.
P-R: 1st selection d'Arenberg, main selection Mons, podium battle, the Carrefour.
The hilly classics nowadays always boil down to the last climb or two."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
RichN95 wrote:
I've always fancied seeing a 50+ bunch sprint on the velodrome. Just once.Pinno wrote:What do you want at the end of P-R? A mass sprint?!
it would be something, but the parcours dictates it should pretty much never happen. as for those that switched off when the final selection was made then, frankly that's nuts. Pollit had to work, Gilbert also did (lesser) turns. the result wasn't absolutely nailed on until the last 200m.
there is something about Gilbert, he's probably on his day the most instinctive bike racer. to beat someone that also was at peak form, and dropping the likes of Sagan etc shows what a class act he is.0 -
There were complications in the chase group behind Froome as well, they waited for that other rider, Reichenbach? which cost them time. And the incentive to chase was different for different riders.Rick Chasey wrote:RichN95 wrote:
Let's not forget that the time gap didn't matter for Gilbert - he got off and walked across the linejoey54321 wrote:PG winning by 29s is "just ahead" whereas Froome's 40s lead in the pink after that day was just gargantuan, no coming back from that for his rivals!
Out of interest, where is it between 29s and 40s lead does the excitement turn off for you?
It’s tactically entirely different as as soon as it’s clear Phil is not coming back you start playing tactics for 2nd.
If it’s a GC race your placing at that point is moot save for bonifications so you work hard to keep the gap down.0
