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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,655
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,655
    edited July 2023
    And yeah, the Viking horde turned out again



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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,655
    edited August 2023


    Hope you were all taking notes ;)

    No_Ta_Doctor said:

    Another name on the "one for the future" list

    16 year old Albert Withen Philipsen, JNR DK TT and Road champ + MTB and Cross titles

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  • andyp
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    Apparently he doesn't have an agent. Alex Carrera (Italian agent to the stars) was right in just after the finish.
  • No_Ta_Doctor
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    andyp said:

    Apparently he doesn't have an agent. Alex Carrera (Italian agent to the stars) was right in just after the finish.

    The lad needs to finish high school first!
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  • andyrac
    andyrac Posts: 1,198
    He's actually on the same Canyon MTB team as Schwarzbauer, Lecomte & Burquier; Canyon have another multi discipline star, they'd be mad not to keep hold of him.
    All Road/ Gravel: tbcWinter: tbcMTB: tbcRoad: tbc"Look at the time...." "he's fallen like an old lady on a cruise ship..."
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,232
    Are there any events the Danes don't win? E.g. track team pursuit...

    Mads for tomorrow? 🤔
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,655
    orraloon said:

    Are there any events the Danes don't win? E.g. track team pursuit...

    Mads for tomorrow? 🤔

    Fingers crossed! Mads deserves to get to ride Paris-Roubaix in the rainbow, he was cheated in 2020
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  • m.r.m.
    m.r.m. Posts: 3,475
    Denmark seems to be the preeminent nation in cycling. I wonder how much the cycling friendly infrastructure has contributed to this?
    PTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 2023
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    That Philipsen kid has the worst mushroom top Zoomer hair. Bloody kids.
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,655
    m.r.m. said:

    Denmark seems to be the preeminent nation in cycling. I wonder how much the cycling friendly infrastructure has contributed to this?

    It's a good question. It undoubtedly helps that every kid learns to ride early and rides for transport to school and after school activities - that just gives you a wide base of potential.

    Over that, I doubt it's that important - the keys here are a well organised club scene with access to decent equipment, high standard of living/money for bikes, and a youth dev system that tries to nurture young riders rather than just turn out winners.

    There's also a probable influence in that Denmark has the leading TV viewing figures for the Tour outside France (has done for years!) and also shows at least some of the classics and other stage races on terrestrial TV. If kids can get inspired to race then the inspiration is at least available to them.

    The track stuff is another bonus, there's a long tradition in DK - e.g. the Ballerup 6 day - and a good national setup - with performance and testing as a major part.

    At the very start of this thread I made the point that traditionally, Danish riders were seen as very good in youth categories, but unable to step up when reaching pro levels, but that we needed to see if this was changing. The theory was that young Danes were over-coached, over-trained, well organised and race-savvy, but with potential already maxed there was no space for further development and they would burn out fast. That seems to be gone now.

    Ironically, it may have been the end of SaxoBank as a Danish team that helped. Good Danish riders tended to end up there, but with Contador as focus and captain. Having to spread out through the pro peloton has enabled them to maybe race with their own characteristics, even for themselves. And success has bred success - they've all raced against and beaten each other, e.g. "if Asgreen can win Flanders and Kragh can win Tour stages, then why can't I win XXXXX...?"

    Danes are now thought of as hard working, professional, intelligent, able to communicate easily (at least in English), no-drama and good team players. Pretty much any WT team is looking at them.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    It is interesting how northern Europe has come to dominate cycling now.

    Really feels like Europe over the potato/tomato border is a cycling minnow now.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    rick_chasey said:

    It is interesting how northern Europe has come to dominate cycling now.

    Really feels like Europe over the potato/tomato border is a cycling minnow now.

    Is Slovenia northern or southern?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    It is interesting how northern Europe has come to dominate cycling now.

    Really feels like Europe over the potato/tomato border is a cycling minnow now.

    Is Slovenia northern or southern?
    Southern, fair cop.
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,655
    Re domination, I think it's easy to get a lot of recency bias, as well as a few riders having an over-pronounced effect. Vingegaard, MvdP, Pog and WVA all really skew the stats and our perception of them.
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  • Pross
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    rick_chasey said:

    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    It is interesting how northern Europe has come to dominate cycling now.

    Really feels like Europe over the potato/tomato border is a cycling minnow now.

    Is Slovenia northern or southern?
    Southern, fair cop.
    It does feel more like it should be northern Europe for some reason to be fair. Level with northern Italy and the Massif Central so it's borderline really I suppose.
  • No_Ta_Doctor
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    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    It is interesting how northern Europe has come to dominate cycling now.

    Really feels like Europe over the potato/tomato border is a cycling minnow now.

    Is Slovenia northern or southern?
    Southern, fair cop.
    It does feel more like it should be northern Europe for some reason to be fair. Level with northern Italy and the Massif Central so it's borderline really I suppose.
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
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    No_Ta_Doctor said:



    Hope you were all taking notes ;)



    No_Ta_Doctor said:

    Another name on the "one for the future" list

    16 year old Albert Withen Philipsen, JNR DK TT and Road champ + MTB and Cross titles

    He can add the World's Jnr MTB XCO title as well now, so it seems that as far as Jnr's go he is "all that"
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
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    Bit of a day here:
    Mads P - fresh off winning the Tour of Denmark by destroying the field on the short final TT took the Bemer Classic in Hamburg with a ridiculous effort to bridge and win the sprint
    Anders Foldager (22, stagiare for Jayco) took the first stage in the Tour de l'Avenir
    Mads Landbo (18, Uno-X dev team) won stage 3 of the Baltic Chain Tour(2.2) - first pro win
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
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    Yesterday was a decent viking day, Cecilie Uttrup Ludvig taking the final stage, points jersey and 2nd overall in the Tour of Scandinavia, while Andreas Kron got a well deserved win at last, taking the (much buggered around with) 2nd stage of the Vuelta
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
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    Apparently Sep Kuss had paid the Danegeld (several times, to be fair), so Vingegaard let him live.
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    An update on the young'uns from the Euros:
    Albert Philipsen took the Jnr TT to go with his Worlds RR
    Henrik Pedersen took the u23 RR
    Carl-Frederik Bévort and Gustav Wang took silver and bronze behind the Belgian lad in the u23 TT
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
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    Denmark finish the season second in national ranking, behind the mighty Belgium

    This is an exceptional result


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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited October 2023
    Never thought I would see the day Britain and Slovenia are consistently outgunning Spain, Italy and Holland in the national rankings.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Slightly surprised to see GB still so high. I guess quite a bit of that is down to the Yates' and GT.
  • No_Ta_Doctor
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    Pross said:

    Slightly surprised to see GB still so high. I guess quite a bit of that is down to the Yates' and GT.

    Pidcock as well (more than GT), and Tao has a surprising amount of points for someone who hasn't raced since mid May
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    https://www.procyclingstats.com/nation.php?date=2023-10-17&id=great-britain&p=overview&s=uci-nation-ranking
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
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    Not good news. Riwal/Leopard TOGT have been one of the biggest engines for Danish cycling

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  • andyrac
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    https://ekstrabladet.dk/sport/cykling/fire-giganter-slaas-om-dansk-komet/10033480

    Four teams now on the shortlist for signing mega talent Albert Philipsen....and he's confident to make demands on what he wants.
    All Road/ Gravel: tbcWinter: tbcMTB: tbcRoad: tbc"Look at the time...." "he's fallen like an old lady on a cruise ship..."
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,655
    edited November 2023
    andyrac said:

    https://ekstrabladet.dk/sport/cykling/fire-giganter-slaas-om-dansk-komet/10033480

    Four teams now on the shortlist for signing mega talent Albert Philipsen....and he's confident to make demands on what he wants.

    Yeah, that's for 2025. Ineos, Bora, UAE and Lidl-Trek are the teams, he'll want to ride MTB as well and the idea is to spend first half of '25 on a dev team somehow

    Bonus trivia question: He's the Danish Jnr champ in Road race, TT, MTB XCO and Cross. Which is the only jersey of those he can wear in a race?


    He can wear his Jnr Danish cross champion jersey

    He has a higher level jersey for all the other disciplines:
    Road race Jnr World champ
    TT Jnr European champ
    MTB XCO Jnr World and European champ

    He was only 8th at the Jnr cross worlds
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  • m.r.m.
    m.r.m. Posts: 3,475
    No_Ta_Doctor said:



    He was only 8th at the Jnr cross worlds
    The dude should really put in some effort.
    PTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 2023

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