Stefan Denifl + Operation Alderlass

RichN95.

It appears that he was involved in blood doping with the same doctor as that cross-country skiier that got caught red handed. He's been arrested and confessed everything according to reports. There are blood bags belonging to others.

iainf72

It was fairly suspicious when he suddenly just quit in December

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/denifl- ... interview/

blazing_saddles

RichN95 wrote:

It appears that he was involved in blood doping with the same doctor as that cross-country skiier that got caught red handed. He's been arrested and confessed everything according to reports. There are blood bags belonging to others.

Yeah, I saw it earlier and certainly is going around, after the inrg tweet.

https://twitter.com/inrng/status/1102106467660906497

Which, of course has led to mucho speculation over this:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/denifl- ... -ccc-team/

Edit: Just as I see Iain has just beaten me to it.

gweeds

Never stops does it.

awavey

so how does that square then with the blood passport, doping testing etc

Crampeur

awavey wrote:

so how does that square then with the blood passport, doping testing etc

Well the police investigation was the result of a tip off. So it seems that this wasn't detected through the passport.

RichN95.

awavey wrote:

so how does that square then with the blood passport, doping testing etc

Drug testing is not perfect and never will be. But we don’t disband the police on the basis of one unsolved crime.

FocusZing

Gweeds wrote:

Never stops does it.

That's one result that can be guaranteed.

awavey

RichN95 wrote:

awavey wrote:

so how does that square then with the blood passport, doping testing etc

Drug testing is not perfect and never will be. But we don’t disband the police on the basis of one unsolved crime.

no & Im not saying it should or is meant to be the case and we just chuck the baby out with the bath water

Im just trying to understand how someone can blood dope in the modern era of testing at least in cycling terms where we know what we are looking for, I always kind of expected it would be something new to be the next big thing, not back to blood bags and that stuff again, so what gap did they find if the anti doping missed it, did they even miss it ?

nordic skiing I dont know enough about to get a feel for what or how that happened there though those pictures looked like something from the 90s, though interesting listening to the Eurosport commentators discuss it whilst I was waiting for KBK to start and say that the nordic skiing team trainers were all trying to downplay it as a big issue. :shock:

but I saw the Telegraph have already made a bigger article on Denifl than the nordic skiers, and you know thats how the popular press will play it again, cyclist got caught doping, not actually out of a bunch of other athletes got raided first, cyclist then confessed to having some involvement with the same thing

bobmcstuff

awavey wrote:

RichN95 wrote:

awavey wrote:

so how does that square then with the blood passport, doping testing etc

Drug testing is not perfect and never will be. But we don’t disband the police on the basis of one unsolved crime.

no & Im not saying it should or is meant to be the case and we just chuck the baby out with the bath water

Im just trying to understand how someone can blood dope in the modern era of testing at least in cycling terms where we know what we are looking for, I always kind of expected it would be something new to be the next big thing, not back to blood bags and that stuff again, so what gap did they find if the anti doping missed it, did they even miss it ?

nordic skiing I dont know enough about to get a feel for what or how that happened there though those pictures looked like something from the 90s, though interesting listening to the Eurosport commentators discuss it whilst I was waiting for KBK to start and say that the nordic skiing team trainers were all trying to downplay it as a big issue. :shock:

but I saw the Telegraph have already made a bigger article on Denifl than the nordic skiers, and you know thats how the popular press will play it again, cyclist got caught doping, not actually out of a bunch of other athletes got raided first, cyclist then confessed to having some involvement with the same thing

Well the idea is that with EPO if you micro-dose (and do it over a long period of time) you can avoid the spikes in parameters which would be noticed in the passport. Basically that is then your "normal" blood profile.

I guess that something similar might be possible with transfusions (although don't know).

There hasn't been anything quite like this for a little while so the case should give some insight into how athletes are doping these days (one of the things Friebe always says on the podcast is that we haven't had any major busts like this for a while so we don't really have a clear picture of people are getting up to).

Alejandrosdog

The best way to avoid detection is to dope to the gills from an early age before going pro and being tested . Sorted crack on till the day you retire

blazing_saddles

Now, Groupama FDJ's George Preidler confesses......well, sort of, does a Basso and says he had blood taken but not re-infused.

Still waiting on a translated article.

https://www.krone.at/1875513

I filed a doping confession. I had my blood taken but never returned. But only the thought and the fraudulent intention are already a crime.

Rides for a French team too. Who would have thought?
Well, folks do say that their teams are still riding "old school".

RichN95.

Blazing Saddles wrote:

Now, Groupama FDJ's George Preidler confesses......well, sort of, does a Basso and says he had blood taken but not re-infused.

Still waiting on a translated article.

https://www.krone.at/1875513

I filed a doping confession. I had my blood taken but never returned. But only the thought and the fraudulent intention are already a crime.

Rides for a French team too. Who would have thought?
Well, folks do say that their teams are still riding "old school".

And prior to that, for the 'super squeaky clean' Sunweb.

rick_chasey

Denifl was at leopard trek too right?

bobmcstuff

Am I imagining it or did Preidler put in some surprising performances the last couple of years too? I had a look on PCS but can't see anything. Sure I remember a decent segment on the cycling podcast about him from a while back.

RichN95.

bobmcstuff wrote:

Am I imagining it or did Preidler put in some surprising performances the last couple of years too? I had a look on PCS but can't see anything. Sure I remember a decent segment on the cycling podcast about him from a while back.

To be honest I had to fire up PCS to remind myself who he is. He's not done much really.

blazing_saddles

RichN95 wrote:

bobmcstuff wrote:

Am I imagining it or did Preidler put in some surprising performances the last couple of years too? I had a look on PCS but can't see anything. Sure I remember a decent segment on the cycling podcast about him from a while back.

To be honest I had to fire up PCS to remind myself who he is. He's not done much really.

I see that according to PCS, he has now been terminated.

Going back to Bob's point, he's not wrong. Preidler did some really strong rides in the Giro mountains, a few years back.
Must have been 2016, going on PCS.
I remember thinking at the time, wtf? as he looked to be a really big guy.
Turns out he is about 6'-4", but weighs about the same as Carlos Betancur's left leg.

inseine

very disappointing that he admits the blood was taken over the last few months. So much for the sports murky past, this brings it right up to date and in my mind probably means he's been at it for years.

rick_chasey

Unlikely to be the last cyclist caught up

ContrelaMontre

Nice to know the season proper has started now... doesn't it give you a warm fuzzy feeling?

blazing_saddles

RichN95 wrote:

Blazing Saddles wrote:

Now, Groupama FDJ's George Preidler confesses......well, sort of, does a Basso and says he had blood taken but not re-infused.

Still waiting on a translated article.

https://www.krone.at/1875513

I filed a doping confession. I had my blood taken but never returned. But only the thought and the fraudulent intention are already a crime.

Rides for a French team too. Who would have thought?
Well, folks do say that their teams are still riding "old school".

And prior to that, for the 'super squeaky clean' Sunweb.

Argos Shimano 2013
Giant Shimano 2014
Giant Alpecin 2015/16
Sunweb 2017
French team 2018

There is another guy who followed the exact same career path and had a stellar TDF while at Sunweb, before getting too big for his boots.
Done very little since.....

rick_chasey

Hmmm oh dear

Alejandrosdog

isnt all this a bit premature? The tour doesnt start for months yet

rick_chasey

Wawa was good mates with di Gregiro too, no?

rick_chasey

https://www.sportschau.de/doping/Doping ... G-100.html

Blood bag code names!!!!!


Oh man, I’ve come over all nostalgic....

rick_chasey

Does Contador get his 2017 Vuelta stage 17 victory handed to him then? Ahahahahaha

RichN95.

Rick Chasey wrote:

https://www.sportschau.de/doping/Doping-Razzia-Hintergruende-ENG-100.html

Blood bag code names!!!!!


Oh man, I’ve come over all nostalgic....

Are they going to release them so we can present wildly inaccurate guesses as facts again?

Since 'name of your first pet' was done by Fuentes this one will be 'mother's maiden name'

Alejandrosdog

RichN95 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

https://www.sportschau.de/doping/Doping-Razzia-Hintergruende-ENG-100.html

Blood bag code names!!!!!


Oh man, I’ve come over all nostalgic....

Are they going to release them so we can present wildly inaccurate guesses as facts again?

Since 'name of your first pet' was done by Fuentes this one will be 'mother's maiden name'

This has absolutely nothing to do with me

jimmythecuckoo

Let's hope Rick Delaney breaks cover !

inseine

RichN95 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

https://www.sportschau.de/doping/Doping-Razzia-Hintergruende-ENG-100.html

Blood bag code names!!!!!


Oh man, I’ve come over all nostalgic....

Are they going to release them so we can present wildly inaccurate guesses as facts again?

Since 'name of your first pet' was done by Fuentes this one will be 'mother's maiden name'

Maybe they just went straight to 'you porn star name'?

bobmcstuff

bobmcstuff wrote:

awavey wrote:

Im just trying to understand how someone can blood dope in the modern era of testing at least in cycling terms where we know what we are looking for, I always kind of expected it would be something new to be the next big thing, not back to blood bags and that stuff again, so what gap did they find if the anti doping missed it, did they even miss it ?

Well the idea is that with EPO if you micro-dose (and do it over a long period of time) you can avoid the spikes in parameters which would be noticed in the passport. Basically that is then your "normal" blood profile.

I guess that something similar might be possible with transfusions (although don't know).

Rick Chasey wrote:

https://www.sportschau.de/doping/Doping-Razzia-Hintergruende-ENG-100.html

Blood bag code names!!!!!


Oh man, I’ve come over all nostalgic....

Karel Tammjärv:
""Blood was given to me each morning before the race and the blood was taken again immediately after the race. So there would be no trace for the doping control officers, I was told.""