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If all countries made the inroads into sustainable energy that China has, we'd be looking at a significantly better future. If all countries take the "pi$$ing in the wind" view that you do, we'll be fucked sooner rather than laterStevo_666 said:
I have a sense of perspective on this, for example that charging poor people £12.50 a day to drive in Greater London won't save the planet. Nor will punishing ourselves by banning ICE cars 5 years before most of the rest of Europe and before we have got the required charging infrastructure. And compared to US and China we are p1$$ing in wind on the whole thing.rick_chasey said:
Genuinely, are you not concerned about climate change?Stevo_666 said:
More like a few green party members will. Win-win.wallace_and_gromit said:
The planet will spontaneously combust at the first sign of weakness re green issues. Caroline Lucas says so - not in so many words - on Twitter.Stevo_666 said:If the Tories ditch a few green policies before the next GE, who knows what could happen?
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For Uxbridge? He won, so why try any harder?rjsterry said:
Have you seen the Conservative candidate?Stevo_666 said:
If Khan and Labour bear the brunt, who cares?rjsterry said:
Well this is awkward. DfT required Khan to bring forward the expansion of the ULEZ as part of the deal to keep afloat TfL during the lockdownsveronese68 said:
I think you and Bean are probably right, my bubble of being in outer London and the motor trade probably means I hear a lot more of the anti ULEZ stuff than is warranted.Pross said:
Shouldn't affect the mayoral elections should it? A lot of London was already in the ULEZ so those people are probably of the view that why shouldn't others pay if they have to.veronese68 said:
I'm not convinced it was all ULEZ either. I suspect anti ULEZ feeling could lose Labour the mayor, if that does happen I reckon there's a good chance the Tory will carry on with it in spite of what's being said.Stevo_666 said:
A win's a win. Although not sure that if ULEZ was the issue it would have pushed people to vote for a bunch of anti-car tree huggers like the Lib Dems.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:Looks like it's ULEZ wot won it for the Tories in Uxbridge.
Looks like it, but that won't be much comfort for a GE. And the narrowness of the victory might give those who voted for the Libdem candidate pause for thought: a few more tactical get-the-Tories-out votes would have swung it.
No doubt someone's hypocrisy klaxon will be going off.
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"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
It's the bigger ones that need to do more. China is still the biggest emitter of greenhouse gases, green tech or not.laurentian said:
If all countries made the inroads into sustainable energy that China has, we'd be looking at a significantly better future. If all countries take the "pi$$ing in the wind" view that you do, we'll be censored sooner rather than laterStevo_666 said:
I have a sense of perspective on this, for example that charging poor people £12.50 a day to drive in Greater London won't save the planet. Nor will punishing ourselves by banning ICE cars 5 years before most of the rest of Europe and before we have got the required charging infrastructure. And compared to US and China we are p1$$ing in wind on the whole thing.rick_chasey said:
Genuinely, are you not concerned about climate change?Stevo_666 said:
More like a few green party members will. Win-win.wallace_and_gromit said:
The planet will spontaneously combust at the first sign of weakness re green issues. Caroline Lucas says so - not in so many words - on Twitter.Stevo_666 said:If the Tories ditch a few green policies before the next GE, who knows what could happen?
Anyhow, if it keeps the lefties out at the next GE, it will be worthwhile. IMHO of course."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
You claim to be the champion of the poor man on this issue yet you are happy to vote for the Party that forced the Mayor to introduce the policy and are happy that the Labour Mayor takes the blame for the policy?Stevo_666 said:
I have a sense of perspective on this, for example that charging poor people £12.50 a day to drive in Greater London won't save the planet. Nor will punishing ourselves by banning ICE cars 5 years before most of the rest of Europe and before we have got the required charging infrastructure. And compared to US and China we are p1$$ing in wind on the whole thing.rick_chasey said:
Genuinely, are you not concerned about climate change?Stevo_666 said:
More like a few green party members will. Win-win.wallace_and_gromit said:
The planet will spontaneously combust at the first sign of weakness re green issues. Caroline Lucas says so - not in so many words - on Twitter.Stevo_666 said:If the Tories ditch a few green policies before the next GE, who knows what could happen?
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Stevo_666 said:
It's the bigger ones that need to do more. China is still the biggest emitter of greenhouse gases, green tech or not.laurentian said:
If all countries made the inroads into sustainable energy that China has, we'd be looking at a significantly better future. If all countries take the "pi$$ing in the wind" view that you do, we'll be censored sooner rather than laterStevo_666 said:
I have a sense of perspective on this, for example that charging poor people £12.50 a day to drive in Greater London won't save the planet. Nor will punishing ourselves by banning ICE cars 5 years before most of the rest of Europe and before we have got the required charging infrastructure. And compared to US and China we are p1$$ing in wind on the whole thing.rick_chasey said:
Genuinely, are you not concerned about climate change?Stevo_666 said:
More like a few green party members will. Win-win.wallace_and_gromit said:
The planet will spontaneously combust at the first sign of weakness re green issues. Caroline Lucas says so - not in so many words - on Twitter.Stevo_666 said:If the Tories ditch a few green policies before the next GE, who knows what could happen?
Anyhow, if it keeps the lefties out at the next GE, it will be worthwhile. IMHO of course.
All the little ones added together > the biggest oneWilier Izoard XP0 -
In fairness to SteveO I don't think he has ever positioned himself as the champion of the poorPross said:
You claim to be the champion of the poor man on this issue yet you are happy to vote for the Party that forced the Mayor to introduce the policy and are happy that the Labour Mayor takes the blame for the policy?Stevo_666 said:
I have a sense of perspective on this, for example that charging poor people £12.50 a day to drive in Greater London won't save the planet. Nor will punishing ourselves by banning ICE cars 5 years before most of the rest of Europe and before we have got the required charging infrastructure. And compared to US and China we are p1$$ing in wind on the whole thing.rick_chasey said:
Genuinely, are you not concerned about climate change?Stevo_666 said:
More like a few green party members will. Win-win.wallace_and_gromit said:
The planet will spontaneously combust at the first sign of weakness re green issues. Caroline Lucas says so - not in so many words - on Twitter.Stevo_666 said:If the Tories ditch a few green policies before the next GE, who knows what could happen?
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On this subject he has repeatedly (see above for an example "for example that charging poor people £12.50 a day to drive in Greater London won't save the planet").surrey_commuter said:
In fairness to SteveO I don't think he has ever positioned himself as the champion of the poorPross said:
You claim to be the champion of the poor man on this issue yet you are happy to vote for the Party that forced the Mayor to introduce the policy and are happy that the Labour Mayor takes the blame for the policy?Stevo_666 said:
I have a sense of perspective on this, for example that charging poor people £12.50 a day to drive in Greater London won't save the planet. Nor will punishing ourselves by banning ICE cars 5 years before most of the rest of Europe and before we have got the required charging infrastructure. And compared to US and China we are p1$$ing in wind on the whole thing.rick_chasey said:
Genuinely, are you not concerned about climate change?Stevo_666 said:
More like a few green party members will. Win-win.wallace_and_gromit said:
The planet will spontaneously combust at the first sign of weakness re green issues. Caroline Lucas says so - not in so many words - on Twitter.Stevo_666 said:If the Tories ditch a few green policies before the next GE, who knows what could happen?
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ULEZ is to improve air quality, rather than tackle climate change. Mayor is required by law to meet or exceed certain levels for different pollutants and the current ULEZ has been proved to be effective in that regard.Stevo_666 said:
I have a sense of perspective on this, for example that charging poor people £12.50 a day to drive in Greater London won't save the planet. Nor will punishing ourselves by banning ICE cars 5 years before most of the rest of Europe and before we have got the required charging infrastructure. And compared to US and China we are p1$$ing in wind on the whole thing.rick_chasey said:
Genuinely, are you not concerned about climate change?Stevo_666 said:
More like a few green party members will. Win-win.wallace_and_gromit said:
The planet will spontaneously combust at the first sign of weakness re green issues. Caroline Lucas says so - not in so many words - on Twitter.Stevo_666 said:If the Tories ditch a few green policies before the next GE, who knows what could happen?
I guess it's more comforting to muddle it all up together and blame it on China though.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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It's not going to. Half of your lot are already getting their CVs up to scratch.Stevo_666 said:
It's the bigger ones that need to do more. China is still the biggest emitter of greenhouse gases, green tech or not.laurentian said:
If all countries made the inroads into sustainable energy that China has, we'd be looking at a significantly better future. If all countries take the "pi$$ing in the wind" view that you do, we'll be censored sooner rather than laterStevo_666 said:
I have a sense of perspective on this, for example that charging poor people £12.50 a day to drive in Greater London won't save the planet. Nor will punishing ourselves by banning ICE cars 5 years before most of the rest of Europe and before we have got the required charging infrastructure. And compared to US and China we are p1$$ing in wind on the whole thing.rick_chasey said:
Genuinely, are you not concerned about climate change?Stevo_666 said:
More like a few green party members will. Win-win.wallace_and_gromit said:
The planet will spontaneously combust at the first sign of weakness re green issues. Caroline Lucas says so - not in so many words - on Twitter.Stevo_666 said:If the Tories ditch a few green policies before the next GE, who knows what could happen?
Anyhow, if it keeps the lefties out at the next GE, it will be worthwhile. IMHO of course.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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When did I claim that? Sounds like you're putting words into my mouth.Pross said:
You claim to be the champion of the poor man on this issue yet you are happy to vote for the Party that forced the Mayor to introduce the policy and are happy that the Labour Mayor takes the blame for the policy?Stevo_666 said:
I have a sense of perspective on this, for example that charging poor people £12.50 a day to drive in Greater London won't save the planet. Nor will punishing ourselves by banning ICE cars 5 years before most of the rest of Europe and before we have got the required charging infrastructure. And compared to US and China we are p1$$ing in wind on the whole thing.rick_chasey said:
Genuinely, are you not concerned about climate change?Stevo_666 said:
More like a few green party members will. Win-win.wallace_and_gromit said:
The planet will spontaneously combust at the first sign of weakness re green issues. Caroline Lucas says so - not in so many words - on Twitter.Stevo_666 said:If the Tories ditch a few green policies before the next GE, who knows what could happen?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
You lot might make it to 20 seats if they do well.rjsterry said:
It's not going to. Half of your lot are already getting their CVs up to scratch.Stevo_666 said:
It's the bigger ones that need to do more. China is still the biggest emitter of greenhouse gases, green tech or not.laurentian said:
If all countries made the inroads into sustainable energy that China has, we'd be looking at a significantly better future. If all countries take the "pi$$ing in the wind" view that you do, we'll be censored sooner rather than laterStevo_666 said:
I have a sense of perspective on this, for example that charging poor people £12.50 a day to drive in Greater London won't save the planet. Nor will punishing ourselves by banning ICE cars 5 years before most of the rest of Europe and before we have got the required charging infrastructure. And compared to US and China we are p1$$ing in wind on the whole thing.rick_chasey said:
Genuinely, are you not concerned about climate change?Stevo_666 said:
More like a few green party members will. Win-win.wallace_and_gromit said:
The planet will spontaneously combust at the first sign of weakness re green issues. Caroline Lucas says so - not in so many words - on Twitter.Stevo_666 said:If the Tories ditch a few green policies before the next GE, who knows what could happen?
Anyhow, if it keeps the lefties out at the next GE, it will be worthwhile. IMHO of course."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
No **** Sherlock. My point above stands about the biggest emitters needing to do more.laurentian said:Stevo_666 said:
It's the bigger ones that need to do more. China is still the biggest emitter of greenhouse gases, green tech or not.laurentian said:
If all countries made the inroads into sustainable energy that China has, we'd be looking at a significantly better future. If all countries take the "pi$$ing in the wind" view that you do, we'll be censored sooner rather than laterStevo_666 said:
I have a sense of perspective on this, for example that charging poor people £12.50 a day to drive in Greater London won't save the planet. Nor will punishing ourselves by banning ICE cars 5 years before most of the rest of Europe and before we have got the required charging infrastructure. And compared to US and China we are p1$$ing in wind on the whole thing.rick_chasey said:
Genuinely, are you not concerned about climate change?Stevo_666 said:
More like a few green party members will. Win-win.wallace_and_gromit said:
The planet will spontaneously combust at the first sign of weakness re green issues. Caroline Lucas says so - not in so many words - on Twitter.Stevo_666 said:If the Tories ditch a few green policies before the next GE, who knows what could happen?
Anyhow, if it keeps the lefties out at the next GE, it will be worthwhile. IMHO of course.
All the little ones added together > the biggest one"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
As above, you regularly bring up charging 'poor people' on this subject.Stevo_666 said:
When did I claim that? Sounds like you're putting words into my mouth.Pross said:
You claim to be the champion of the poor man on this issue yet you are happy to vote for the Party that forced the Mayor to introduce the policy and are happy that the Labour Mayor takes the blame for the policy?Stevo_666 said:
I have a sense of perspective on this, for example that charging poor people £12.50 a day to drive in Greater London won't save the planet. Nor will punishing ourselves by banning ICE cars 5 years before most of the rest of Europe and before we have got the required charging infrastructure. And compared to US and China we are p1$$ing in wind on the whole thing.rick_chasey said:
Genuinely, are you not concerned about climate change?Stevo_666 said:
More like a few green party members will. Win-win.wallace_and_gromit said:
The planet will spontaneously combust at the first sign of weakness re green issues. Caroline Lucas says so - not in so many words - on Twitter.Stevo_666 said:If the Tories ditch a few green policies before the next GE, who knows what could happen?
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Once again the Conservatives are mad about ... Something the conservatives have done.veronese68 said:I know ULEZ was originally brought in when Boris was mayor and is being pushed by central government. But the Tory candidates saying they'll stop the expansion is complete nonsense, I don't believe it for a moment. I think any party that gets in would let it carry on, it's inevitable.
As Jezyboy says Khan really should highlight how much this is being pushed by the Tories. Problem is saying he agrees with the expansion and they are pushing it is admitting he agrees with them on something.
It must be depressing being so consistently upset with your own actions .0 -
Us lot? Who's that?Stevo_666 said:
You lot might make it to 20 seats if they do well.rjsterry said:
It's not going to. Half of your lot are already getting their CVs up to scratch.Stevo_666 said:
It's the bigger ones that need to do more. China is still the biggest emitter of greenhouse gases, green tech or not.laurentian said:
If all countries made the inroads into sustainable energy that China has, we'd be looking at a significantly better future. If all countries take the "pi$$ing in the wind" view that you do, we'll be censored sooner rather than laterStevo_666 said:
I have a sense of perspective on this, for example that charging poor people £12.50 a day to drive in Greater London won't save the planet. Nor will punishing ourselves by banning ICE cars 5 years before most of the rest of Europe and before we have got the required charging infrastructure. And compared to US and China we are p1$$ing in wind on the whole thing.rick_chasey said:
Genuinely, are you not concerned about climate change?Stevo_666 said:
More like a few green party members will. Win-win.wallace_and_gromit said:
The planet will spontaneously combust at the first sign of weakness re green issues. Caroline Lucas says so - not in so many words - on Twitter.Stevo_666 said:If the Tories ditch a few green policies before the next GE, who knows what could happen?
Anyhow, if it keeps the lefties out at the next GE, it will be worthwhile. IMHO of course.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Just pointing out the facts. Do you disagree with it?Pross said:
As above, you regularly bring up charging 'poor people' on this subject.Stevo_666 said:
When did I claim that? Sounds like you're putting words into my mouth.Pross said:
You claim to be the champion of the poor man on this issue yet you are happy to vote for the Party that forced the Mayor to introduce the policy and are happy that the Labour Mayor takes the blame for the policy?Stevo_666 said:
I have a sense of perspective on this, for example that charging poor people £12.50 a day to drive in Greater London won't save the planet. Nor will punishing ourselves by banning ICE cars 5 years before most of the rest of Europe and before we have got the required charging infrastructure. And compared to US and China we are p1$$ing in wind on the whole thing.rick_chasey said:
Genuinely, are you not concerned about climate change?Stevo_666 said:
More like a few green party members will. Win-win.wallace_and_gromit said:
The planet will spontaneously combust at the first sign of weakness re green issues. Caroline Lucas says so - not in so many words - on Twitter.Stevo_666 said:If the Tories ditch a few green policies before the next GE, who knows what could happen?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I know you claim not to be a Fib Dum supporter but I bet that's who you'll vote for.rjsterry said:
Us lot? Who's that?Stevo_666 said:
You lot might make it to 20 seats if they do well.rjsterry said:
It's not going to. Half of your lot are already getting their CVs up to scratch.Stevo_666 said:
It's the bigger ones that need to do more. China is still the biggest emitter of greenhouse gases, green tech or not.laurentian said:
If all countries made the inroads into sustainable energy that China has, we'd be looking at a significantly better future. If all countries take the "pi$$ing in the wind" view that you do, we'll be censored sooner rather than laterStevo_666 said:
I have a sense of perspective on this, for example that charging poor people £12.50 a day to drive in Greater London won't save the planet. Nor will punishing ourselves by banning ICE cars 5 years before most of the rest of Europe and before we have got the required charging infrastructure. And compared to US and China we are p1$$ing in wind on the whole thing.rick_chasey said:
Genuinely, are you not concerned about climate change?Stevo_666 said:
More like a few green party members will. Win-win.wallace_and_gromit said:
The planet will spontaneously combust at the first sign of weakness re green issues. Caroline Lucas says so - not in so many words - on Twitter.Stevo_666 said:If the Tories ditch a few green policies before the next GE, who knows what could happen?
Anyhow, if it keeps the lefties out at the next GE, it will be worthwhile. IMHO of course."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
He's been fighting Farage's corner recentlysurrey_commuter said:
In fairness to SteveO I don't think he has ever positioned himself as the champion of the poorPross said:
You claim to be the champion of the poor man on this issue yet you are happy to vote for the Party that forced the Mayor to introduce the policy and are happy that the Labour Mayor takes the blame for the policy?Stevo_666 said:
I have a sense of perspective on this, for example that charging poor people £12.50 a day to drive in Greater London won't save the planet. Nor will punishing ourselves by banning ICE cars 5 years before most of the rest of Europe and before we have got the required charging infrastructure. And compared to US and China we are p1$$ing in wind on the whole thing.rick_chasey said:
Genuinely, are you not concerned about climate change?Stevo_666 said:
More like a few green party members will. Win-win.wallace_and_gromit said:
The planet will spontaneously combust at the first sign of weakness re green issues. Caroline Lucas says so - not in so many words - on Twitter.Stevo_666 said:If the Tories ditch a few green policies before the next GE, who knows what could happen?
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China are doing relatively well per capita given they are lifting a huge rural population out of poverty. Room for improvement but a long way short of the oil states, Canada and the US.Stevo_666 said:
No **** Sherlock. My point above stands about the biggest emitters needing to do more.laurentian said:Stevo_666 said:
It's the bigger ones that need to do more. China is still the biggest emitter of greenhouse gases, green tech or not.laurentian said:
If all countries made the inroads into sustainable energy that China has, we'd be looking at a significantly better future. If all countries take the "pi$$ing in the wind" view that you do, we'll be censored sooner rather than laterStevo_666 said:
I have a sense of perspective on this, for example that charging poor people £12.50 a day to drive in Greater London won't save the planet. Nor will punishing ourselves by banning ICE cars 5 years before most of the rest of Europe and before we have got the required charging infrastructure. And compared to US and China we are p1$$ing in wind on the whole thing.rick_chasey said:
Genuinely, are you not concerned about climate change?Stevo_666 said:
More like a few green party members will. Win-win.wallace_and_gromit said:
The planet will spontaneously combust at the first sign of weakness re green issues. Caroline Lucas says so - not in so many words - on Twitter.Stevo_666 said:If the Tories ditch a few green policies before the next GE, who knows what could happen?
Anyhow, if it keeps the lefties out at the next GE, it will be worthwhile. IMHO of course.
All the little ones added together > the biggest one
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co-emissions-per-capita1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Given how many people they have, the total emissions are somewhat relevant.rjsterry said:
China are doing relatively well per capita given they are lifting a huge rural population out of poverty. Room for improvement but a long way short of the oil states, Canada and the US.Stevo_666 said:
No **** Sherlock. My point above stands about the biggest emitters needing to do more.laurentian said:Stevo_666 said:
It's the bigger ones that need to do more. China is still the biggest emitter of greenhouse gases, green tech or not.laurentian said:
If all countries made the inroads into sustainable energy that China has, we'd be looking at a significantly better future. If all countries take the "pi$$ing in the wind" view that you do, we'll be censored sooner rather than laterStevo_666 said:
I have a sense of perspective on this, for example that charging poor people £12.50 a day to drive in Greater London won't save the planet. Nor will punishing ourselves by banning ICE cars 5 years before most of the rest of Europe and before we have got the required charging infrastructure. And compared to US and China we are p1$$ing in wind on the whole thing.rick_chasey said:
Genuinely, are you not concerned about climate change?Stevo_666 said:
More like a few green party members will. Win-win.wallace_and_gromit said:
The planet will spontaneously combust at the first sign of weakness re green issues. Caroline Lucas says so - not in so many words - on Twitter.Stevo_666 said:If the Tories ditch a few green policies before the next GE, who knows what could happen?
Anyhow, if it keeps the lefties out at the next GE, it will be worthwhile. IMHO of course.
All the little ones added together > the biggest one
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co-emissions-per-capita"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo_666 said:
I know you claim not to be a Fib Dum supporter but I bet that's who you'll vote for.rjsterry said:
Us lot? Who's that?Stevo_666 said:
You lot might make it to 20 seats if they do well.rjsterry said:
It's not going to. Half of your lot are already getting their CVs up to scratch.Stevo_666 said:
It's the bigger ones that need to do more. China is still the biggest emitter of greenhouse gases, green tech or not.laurentian said:
If all countries made the inroads into sustainable energy that China has, we'd be looking at a significantly better future. If all countries take the "pi$$ing in the wind" view that you do, we'll be censored sooner rather than laterStevo_666 said:
I have a sense of perspective on this, for example that charging poor people £12.50 a day to drive in Greater London won't save the planet. Nor will punishing ourselves by banning ICE cars 5 years before most of the rest of Europe and before we have got the required charging infrastructure. And compared to US and China we are p1$$ing in wind on the whole thing.rick_chasey said:
Genuinely, are you not concerned about climate change?Stevo_666 said:
More like a few green party members will. Win-win.wallace_and_gromit said:
The planet will spontaneously combust at the first sign of weakness re green issues. Caroline Lucas says so - not in so many words - on Twitter.Stevo_666 said:If the Tories ditch a few green policies before the next GE, who knows what could happen?
Anyhow, if it keeps the lefties out at the next GE, it will be worthwhile. IMHO of course.
In my LibDem/Conservative marginal with Labour a distant third? Probably yes, as the least worst option.Stevo_666 said:
I know you claim not to be a Fib Dum supporter but I bet that's who you'll vote for.rjsterry said:
Us lot? Who's that?Stevo_666 said:
You lot might make it to 20 seats if they do well.rjsterry said:
It's not going to. Half of your lot are already getting their CVs up to scratch.Stevo_666 said:
It's the bigger ones that need to do more. China is still the biggest emitter of greenhouse gases, green tech or not.laurentian said:
If all countries made the inroads into sustainable energy that China has, we'd be looking at a significantly better future. If all countries take the "pi$$ing in the wind" view that you do, we'll be censored sooner rather than laterStevo_666 said:
I have a sense of perspective on this, for example that charging poor people £12.50 a day to drive in Greater London won't save the planet. Nor will punishing ourselves by banning ICE cars 5 years before most of the rest of Europe and before we have got the required charging infrastructure. And compared to US and China we are p1$$ing in wind on the whole thing.rick_chasey said:
Genuinely, are you not concerned about climate change?Stevo_666 said:
More like a few green party members will. Win-win.wallace_and_gromit said:
The planet will spontaneously combust at the first sign of weakness re green issues. Caroline Lucas says so - not in so many words - on Twitter.Stevo_666 said:If the Tories ditch a few green policies before the next GE, who knows what could happen?
Anyhow, if it keeps the lefties out at the next GE, it will be worthwhile. IMHO of course.
Definitely holding my nose and not a supporter of their current aimless turboNimby position, though. That will obviously increase the chances of a Labour government, which I'm not mad about either, but that's the option available.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Ulez has already changed behaviour, as Stevo has previously pointed out, and it is not about climate change at all.
The Labour candidate insanely tried to position himself as anti ulez expansion, so it is no wonder the green vote didn't all go in that direction.0 -
I have tried to read about this and only confirmed that pensions are insanely complicated.super_davo said:I think it was this thread where we were discussing pensions LTA and how the Tories plans would save Stevo loads of money.
Well now they have published more details, and TISA are up in arms. To quote:
"The LTA "has gone only in name and is being replaced with a ‘permitted maximum’ limit.
Lump sums which exceed this limit will now be subject to marginal rate tax rather than a lifetime allowance charge, however this is not going to impact the majority of savers whose pensions fall well below that limit.
However, what is really disappointing in this draft legislation is that the abolition of the LTA will now impact smaller pension pots – pots and individuals which were never previously caught by the LTA."
Fantasticly on brand. Tax cut that isn't really a cut, and will result in rises for poorer people.
LTA abolition vs permitted maximum is a technical point around the legislation needed to abolish the LTA and makes no practical difference.
The lump sum stuff is that you could take 25% of your pot tax free which meant £250k. Under the new rules this cap will remain which seems entirely reasonable as it only impacts a tiny %. I would abolish the tax free bit.
I was also totally unaware that if you died before 75 whoever inherited your pension pot received the income tax free and they are proposing to end this. Again this sounds entirely reasonable0 -
Agree on your first point. It's about bashing motorists and filling the black hole in tfl's finances - and the backlash is underway as we can see.kingstongraham said:Ulez has already changed behaviour, as Stevo has previously pointed out, and it is not about climate change at all.
The Labour candidate insanely tried to position himself as anti ulez expansion, so it is no wonder the green vote didn't all go in that direction.
On your second point, I think the Labour candidate correctly anticipated that the ULEZ issue could cost him the win. Which it did anyway, so he was right."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
So, the press are taking one local issue and extrapolating it as the entire reason the Tories are losing by-elections.
The fact they held Uxbridge which seems to have come down to Ulez is apparently definitive proof that ditching green policies is the way to keep themselves in power.
This is every bit as deluded as the Lib Dem’s claiming they are back because they won a seat.
The Tories are a vacuous shambles from top to bottom that stands for nothing other than reactionary nonsense. Ulez was merely a big enough local issue to limit what was nonetheless a weak result in a safe seat.
The Lib Dem’s will gain seats because the Tories are a shitshow. Not because they’ve won support for a positive agenda.0 -
Do you think Labour will win seats mainly because they have won support for a positive agenda?morstar said:So, the press are taking one local issue and extrapolating it as the entire reason the Tories are losing by-elections.
The fact they held Uxbridge which seems to have come down to Ulez is apparently definitive proof that ditching green policies is the way to keep themselves in power.
This is every bit as deluded as the Lib Dem’s claiming they are back because they won a seat.
The Tories are a vacuous shambles from top to bottom that stands for nothing other than reactionary nonsense. Ulez was merely a big enough local issue to limit what was nonetheless a weak result in a safe seat.
The Lib Dem’s will gain seats because the Tories are a shitshow. Not because they’ve won support for a positive agenda."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
A nuanced yes.Stevo_666 said:
Do you think Labour will win seats mainly because they have won support for a positive agenda?morstar said:So, the press are taking one local issue and extrapolating it as the entire reason the Tories are losing by-elections.
The fact they held Uxbridge which seems to have come down to Ulez is apparently definitive proof that ditching green policies is the way to keep themselves in power.
This is every bit as deluded as the Lib Dem’s claiming they are back because they won a seat.
The Tories are a vacuous shambles from top to bottom that stands for nothing other than reactionary nonsense. Ulez was merely a big enough local issue to limit what was nonetheless a weak result in a safe seat.
The Lib Dem’s will gain seats because the Tories are a shitshow. Not because they’ve won support for a positive agenda.
I don’t think they’ve been inspiring but…
1) They have had a clear message regarding targeting growth (the economy)
2) Even if not inspiring, the message is far clearer that either Con or Lib Dem.
So maybe the best of a bad bunch but streets ahead of Tories. As evidenced by the fact the Tories are still trying to decide what they actually stand for beyond ‘Stop the boats’ which is their current headline policy.0 -
I'd be interested to know what you think they will actually do to grow the economy. Remember that means being business friendly.morstar said:
A nuanced yes.Stevo_666 said:
Do you think Labour will win seats mainly because they have won support for a positive agenda?morstar said:So, the press are taking one local issue and extrapolating it as the entire reason the Tories are losing by-elections.
The fact they held Uxbridge which seems to have come down to Ulez is apparently definitive proof that ditching green policies is the way to keep themselves in power.
This is every bit as deluded as the Lib Dem’s claiming they are back because they won a seat.
The Tories are a vacuous shambles from top to bottom that stands for nothing other than reactionary nonsense. Ulez was merely a big enough local issue to limit what was nonetheless a weak result in a safe seat.
The Lib Dem’s will gain seats because the Tories are a shitshow. Not because they’ve won support for a positive agenda.
I don’t think they’ve been inspiring but…
1) They have had a clear message regarding targeting growth (the economy)
2) Even if not inspiring, the message is far clearer that either Con or Lib Dem.
So maybe the best of a bad bunch but streets ahead of Tories. As evidenced by the fact the Tories are still trying to decide what they actually stand for beyond ‘Stop the boats’ which is their current headline policy.
And as for a clear message, we'll this clip from a recent article sums up Starmers flip flopping quite nicely:
"...Starmer who has flip-flopped on practically every policy he has announced since becoming Labour leader in April 2020? The bloke should have shares in Havaianas, for pity’s sake.
He’s gone from trying to reverse the referendum result to signalling that he now backs Brexit; supporting free movement to calling for stricter border controls; advocating the re-nationalisation of all our utilities to implicitly ruling it out; calling for an end to outsourcing in the NHS only to suggest the private sector has been “underused”. He appears to have rowed back on his pledge to scrap tuition fees and Universal Credit, and can’t seem to decide whether he supports HS2 or not. He seems equally unsure on the question of whether a woman can have a penis.
Meanwhile, he insists that he is “not a fan” of Just Stop Oil and says “their actions are wrong”, but his party continues to trouser large donations from one of its key funders, Dale Vince.
He’s called for both more borrowing and less, insisted Labour will cut council tax, only for Labour-run local authorities to hike it, and contradicted his own fiscal rules by pledging to spend £28 billion a year on a Green Prosperity Plan, only for the party to then “postpone” the scheme.
His plan to stop new drilling for oil and gas in the North Sea has enraged his union paymasters, amid claims it will cost tens of thousands of jobs – not to mention completely kybosh our energy needs. And he’s at war with the Left of his party after ditching many of the pledges that propelled him to power in the first place. "
You sure about that second point?"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
LDs have always been the second party in the rural West Country.They didn't so much win Somerton as the Conservatives have driven their voters away. LD votes only went up a couple of thousand from 2019 but Conservative votes dropped off a cliff. Unsurprising given the disdain for farmingmorstar said:So, the press are taking one local issue and extrapolating it as the entire reason the Tories are losing by-elections.
The fact they held Uxbridge which seems to have come down to Ulez is apparently definitive proof that ditching green policies is the way to keep themselves in power.
This is every bit as deluded as the Lib Dem’s claiming they are back because they won a seat.
The Tories are a vacuous shambles from top to bottom that stands for nothing other than reactionary nonsense. Ulez was merely a big enough local issue to limit what was nonetheless a weak result in a safe seat.
The Lib Dem’s will gain seats because the Tories are a shitshow. Not because they’ve won support for a positive agenda.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Surprise surprise, it's a telegraph opinion piece.Stevo_666 said:
I'd be interested to know what you think they will actually do to grow the economy. Remember that means being business friendly.morstar said:
A nuanced yes.Stevo_666 said:
Do you think Labour will win seats mainly because they have won support for a positive agenda?morstar said:So, the press are taking one local issue and extrapolating it as the entire reason the Tories are losing by-elections.
The fact they held Uxbridge which seems to have come down to Ulez is apparently definitive proof that ditching green policies is the way to keep themselves in power.
This is every bit as deluded as the Lib Dem’s claiming they are back because they won a seat.
The Tories are a vacuous shambles from top to bottom that stands for nothing other than reactionary nonsense. Ulez was merely a big enough local issue to limit what was nonetheless a weak result in a safe seat.
The Lib Dem’s will gain seats because the Tories are a shitshow. Not because they’ve won support for a positive agenda.
I don’t think they’ve been inspiring but…
1) They have had a clear message regarding targeting growth (the economy)
2) Even if not inspiring, the message is far clearer that either Con or Lib Dem.
So maybe the best of a bad bunch but streets ahead of Tories. As evidenced by the fact the Tories are still trying to decide what they actually stand for beyond ‘Stop the boats’ which is their current headline policy.
And as for a clear message, we'll this clip from a recent article sums up Starmers flip flopping quite nicely:
"...Starmer who has flip-flopped on practically every policy he has announced since becoming Labour leader in April 2020? The bloke should have shares in Havaianas, for pity’s sake.
He’s gone from trying to reverse the referendum result to signalling that he now backs Brexit; supporting free movement to calling for stricter border controls; advocating the re-nationalisation of all our utilities to implicitly ruling it out; calling for an end to outsourcing in the NHS only to suggest the private sector has been “underused”. He appears to have rowed back on his pledge to scrap tuition fees and Universal Credit, and can’t seem to decide whether he supports HS2 or not. He seems equally unsure on the question of whether a woman can have a penis.
Meanwhile, he insists that he is “not a fan” of Just Stop Oil and says “their actions are wrong”, but his party continues to trouser large donations from one of its key funders, Dale Vince.
He’s called for both more borrowing and less, insisted Labour will cut council tax, only for Labour-run local authorities to hike it, and contradicted his own fiscal rules by pledging to spend £28 billion a year on a Green Prosperity Plan, only for the party to then “postpone” the scheme.
His plan to stop new drilling for oil and gas in the North Sea has enraged his union paymasters, amid claims it will cost tens of thousands of jobs – not to mention completely kybosh our energy needs. And he’s at war with the Left of his party after ditching many of the pledges that propelled him to power in the first place. "
You sure about that second point?- Genesis Croix de Fer
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