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Not revenue related but how much land would no monarchy free up for housing and public parks?0
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Nadine triggering a bye election as a parting gift.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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It is £4bn a year I would appropriate.rjsterry said:
🤣🤣surrey_commuter said:
HS2, licence fee and the monarchy for a startrick_chasey said:For those arguing low tax - who is going to pay for state run services and if the answer is no one, which services would you cut?
So one of your three isn't even a tax. The monarchy costs the government just £83m a year. Even HS2 is only £3bn a year or 0.3% of revenue.
Emptying a swimming pool with a teaspoon.
I am flogging off the land houses and palaces.
Even you don’t think HS2 is £3bn a year. And I would flog off all the land and houses.
And I would stop tatting around being a global power and reconfigure the three services into one (based on USMC) with a remit of defending our island.
Move the HoP and tens of thousands of civil servants up north.
Scrap all farm subsidies ((£4bn pa)
Unite the island of Ireland (£10bn +)
Let Scotland follow them out the door (£10bn)
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Are you one of these people who thinks Londkn and the home counties would be better off on its own?surrey_commuter said:
It is £4bn a year I would appropriate.rjsterry said:
🤣🤣surrey_commuter said:
HS2, licence fee and the monarchy for a startrick_chasey said:For those arguing low tax - who is going to pay for state run services and if the answer is no one, which services would you cut?
So one of your three isn't even a tax. The monarchy costs the government just £83m a year. Even HS2 is only £3bn a year or 0.3% of revenue.
Emptying a swimming pool with a teaspoon.
I am flogging off the land houses and palaces.
Even you don’t think HS2 is £3bn a year. And I would flog off all the land and houses.
And I would stop tatting around being a global power and reconfigure the three services into one (based on USMC) with a remit of defending our island.
Move the HoP and tens of thousands of civil servants up north.
Scrap all farm subsidies ((£4bn pa)
Unite the island of Ireland (£10bn +)
Let Scotland follow them out the door (£10bn)
Wait till I think of my tier 3 ideas
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1.You'd save a fortune on universal credit if you raised minimum wage. Would be offset to some extent by an increase unemployment, but I've never understood why the government chooses to effectively subsidize low paying large companies like SportsDirect, McDonald's et al, who'd never get staff at their pay rates without it. Also disincentives investment as it's cheaper just to employ someone than automate.
2. Supply side payments like housing benefit that just inflate rents and house prices
3. Subsidies to rail companies, utilities etc. - stuff that probably should never have been privatised to make them look like they aren't failing
That little lot would save a fortune, and is actually way more free market / conservative than actual Tory policy
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Boris has quit as MP
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
By-elections all over the place (maybe).0 -
It’s hard to believe he still was one.tailwindhome said:Boris has quit as MP
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I love the drama, mick.1
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I checked. Spread over probably 20 years to complete it's of that sort of order. Round it up to £6bn a year if you like: it'll still make f*** all difference to anyone's tax bill.surrey_commuter said:
It is £4bn a year I would appropriate.rjsterry said:
🤣🤣surrey_commuter said:
HS2, licence fee and the monarchy for a startrick_chasey said:For those arguing low tax - who is going to pay for state run services and if the answer is no one, which services would you cut?
So one of your three isn't even a tax. The monarchy costs the government just £83m a year. Even HS2 is only £3bn a year or 0.3% of revenue.
Emptying a swimming pool with a teaspoon.
I am flogging off the land houses and palaces.
Even you don’t think HS2 is £3bn a year. And I would flog off all the land and houses.
And I would stop tatting around being a global power and reconfigure the three services into one (based on USMC) with a remit of defending our island.
Move the HoP and tens of thousands of civil servants up north.
Scrap all farm subsidies ((£4bn pa)
Unite the island of Ireland (£10bn +)
Let Scotland follow them out the door (£10bn)
Wait till I think of my tier 3 ideas
The houses and land are mostly privately owned so there really isn't that much to sell off unless you've suddenly turned Marxist: a one time bump of about £15bn, if you could somehow sell the entire Crown Estate.
Saving to move Civil Service entirely out of London is £710m - another imperceptible twitch on the needle.
Then you seem to veer off into some scorched earth little englander nonsense. Have you had an afternoon in the sun?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Have you only just noticed?First.Aspect said:
Are you one of these people who thinks Londkn and the home counties would be better off on its own?surrey_commuter said:
It is £4bn a year I would appropriate.rjsterry said:
🤣🤣surrey_commuter said:
HS2, licence fee and the monarchy for a startrick_chasey said:For those arguing low tax - who is going to pay for state run services and if the answer is no one, which services would you cut?
So one of your three isn't even a tax. The monarchy costs the government just £83m a year. Even HS2 is only £3bn a year or 0.3% of revenue.
Emptying a swimming pool with a teaspoon.
I am flogging off the land houses and palaces.
Even you don’t think HS2 is £3bn a year. And I would flog off all the land and houses.
And I would stop tatting around being a global power and reconfigure the three services into one (based on USMC) with a remit of defending our island.
Move the HoP and tens of thousands of civil servants up north.
Scrap all farm subsidies ((£4bn pa)
Unite the island of Ireland (£10bn +)
Let Scotland follow them out the door (£10bn)
Wait till I think of my tier 3 ideas1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition1 -
What would be impressive if King Charles had the b@lls to say no to everyone in his (dis) honours list.kingstongraham said:
By-elections all over the place (maybe).3 -
^ unfortunately that's not how 'our' corrupt as fxxx country is run.
And Spaffer did SFA as a 'representative' MP for those Uxbridge tug-your-forelocks, I'm-from-Eton muppet voters while taking bungs multiple, his 6 figure tax free ex-PM salary, oh and no doubt his MP's salary and expenses. He'll be off to his recently purchased (by whom?) £4m manor house in the village next to where I used to live. Thank F I'm not round those parts any more.0 -
‘He’s better then Labour’
Absolutely pathetic. He is and was always a joke.0 -
Why are you assuming that all tax collected is spent on services?rick_chasey said:For those arguing low tax - who is going to pay for state run services and if the answer is no one, which services would you cut?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Most likely scenarios are a pre election sweetener, or we may have to endure 5 years of leftiebollox before people realise what's good for them.surrey_commuter said:@Stevo_666 I am guessing that in your ideal world the next Tory Govt would be more traditional on the economics side. So be pro- business, low taxation, low spending, low borrowing. If not "low" then "minimise"?
So my question is do you see a pathway to this happening?"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Lets see. Labour haven't even uttered the words, have they?rjsterry said:
Actions not words.Stevo_666 said:
For example, Hunts recent statement that cutting taxes is the right thing, just not right now. When have Labour ever said that?rjsterry said:
What makes you think your lot will change direction? Who is there within the government who is even interested?Stevo_666 said:
Read what I said above. While the current govt has not gone in the right direction as far as I'm concerned, it will very likely be worse under Labour. I already pay enough tax IMHO, so why don't you go ahead and pay more?super_davo said:
Were you in the UK 13 years ago? Have there been any tax cuts in the last 13 years that benefitted you?Stevo_666 said:
Don't count your chickens...super_davo said:
Thing is, recent Tory tax policy (Truss, LTA etc.) would put the level you need to earn way beyond the merely quite well off to benefit. This plays to people's arrogance - e.g. you think you're doing well so should vote for "the low tax party". But the reality is unless you're currently well into the 50% bracket, you've probably been shafted far more by freezing rate thresholds in the last few years than anything Labour are likely to do.rick_chasey said:
If you won’t pay it, who will?Stevo_666 said:
If we accepted that premise then another way of looking at it is to ask who is likely raise taxes the most.rjsterry said:Nobody is lowering taxes any time soon. They can't afford to.
Also relevant is who is most likely to bear the brunt of any tax rises.
I think we know the answers to these.
Take it as motivation to go earn an extra £100k - that’s how I see it.
I just want a return to competent government, so when I speak to international colleagues, for them not to be laughing at the crazy **** my government is doing. Personally I don't expect to pay much more tax but it wouldn't be the end of the world if I did; as long as it was spent compentently rather than on massively unsubtle attempts to get a particular group of people to vote for the incumbent government."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Just human nature. Easier to blame someone else for your problems than your own lack of skill/hard work/foresight/luck. Don't you have any mirrors in your house?pangolin said:
Careful, you're showing your remainer colours there a little StevoStevo_666 said:
Some people need to look in the mirror a bit more. But it's often easier to blame some bogey man.Pross said:
Yes, it’s terrible the way they blame problems in the country on the Party that has governed it for 13 years.Stevo_666 said:
Unlike most of Cake Stop who have adopted the nasty Torwies as the root cause of all their problems in lifePross said:
You need to create yourself a bogey man. Let’s call him Leftie. Then you just tell yourself that however utterly censored everything gets it won’t be as bad as if Leftie was running things. You don’t even need to know what Leftie will do and if he says the right thing you ‘just know’ they won’t do what they say. Then you can vote Tory knowing you are doing the right thing and that no matter how corrupt, self-serving, incompetent or even purely evil individual Tory MPs are they can’t be as bad as Leftie will be. Even if Leftie is actually the best person for 99% of the country you are in the other 1% so they’re bad.wallace_and_gromit said:
They are the least bad option. Quite how the Tories have created this scenario for a previously life-long Tory voter is fascinating. I want to vote Tory, but can’t, in any conscience, do so whilst the likes of JRM and Suella are in positions of influence.Stevo_666 said:
Given that the only other realistic voting choice (i.e. not a wasted vote) is Labour, how close do you think they get to where you see yourself fitting?wallace_and_gromit said:
That was only by accident really. Had Truss not shot herself in both feet, thus allowing the much more sensible Sunak (who is only really keeping the seat warm until the "chosen one" i.e. an ideologically pure Brexiter who is administratively competent and can keep the markets onside arrives to be swept into leadership by the nutters) to take charge, then the aforementioned nonsense would have made further progress towards the statute book.Stevo_666 said:
So two points that didn't really happen?wallace_and_gromit said:
True. But one has to be wary of a party that has in recent times actively pursued the following:Stevo_666 said:
We could debate whether 5 years of Labour is a short term hit and whether it might somehow magically 'clean up' politics...wallace_and_gromit said:
I know that's a joke, and I do understand your concerns about what a leftie regime might do for us, but I've got to the point where I'm willing to take a hit in the short term in order to re-embed some integrity and competence into UK politics for the benefit of the next generation. Well, a specific two of the next generation at least! Voting the Tories in again will just encourage them to continue to act in the way that has served us all so well (not) over the last 4 years or so.Stevo_666 said:
Not sure why the phrase about Turkeys voting for Christmas springs to mind?wallace_and_gromit said:
Well as a born again "centre leftie" with former rightish tendencies such as "personal responsibility", I say that nothing should be left to chance!Stevo_666 said:
Agree. Which is why, despite all the prediction of a Tory wipeout at the next GE, the lefties and centre lefties still feel the need to resort to tactical voting.wallace_and_gromit said:There were similar websites for the 2019 GE, with a conspicuous lack of success. Folk are remarkably stubborn for GEs in a way they aren't for local elections.
- The retained EU laws bill that would have axed bazzillions of perfectly good laws, without any consideration of the consequences, just because they originated via agreements within the EU. Thankfully now moderated.
- The internal markets bill that would have breached international law (the Northern Ireland Protocol) albeit in a "limited a specific way". Thankfully never implemented.
A commitment to low taxation (which rarely seems to get honoured) in exchange for nonsense like the above doesn't feel like a good deal. As an intelligent person, you shouldn't be voting to encourage further nonsense!
The key point is that the current Tory regime's "DNA" is to indulge in that sort of ideological nonsense. If Sunak can purge the party of the nutters then I'll give serious thought to returning to the fold. Though as a result of how the Tories have conducted themselves in recent years, I've done a lot more thinking about what they actually believe in, and I think that there is too much of a gulf on social matters for me to return. The "right right economically, socially liberal and always with integrity" (where I fit) part of the Tory movement seems to have gone, if indeed it ever really existed.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Just human nature. Easier to blame someone else for your problems than your own lack of skill/hard work/foresight/luck. Don't you have any mirrors in your house?pangolin said:
Careful, you're showing your remainer colours there a little StevoStevo_666 said:
Some people need to look in the mirror a bit more. But it's often easier to blame some bogey man.Pross said:
Yes, it’s terrible the way they blame problems in the country on the Party that has governed it for 13 years.Stevo_666 said:
Unlike most of Cake Stop who have adopted the nasty Torwies as the root cause of all their problems in lifePross said:
You need to create yourself a bogey man. Let’s call him Leftie. Then you just tell yourself that however utterly censored everything gets it won’t be as bad as if Leftie was running things. You don’t even need to know what Leftie will do and if he says the right thing you ‘just know’ they won’t do what they say. Then you can vote Tory knowing you are doing the right thing and that no matter how corrupt, self-serving, incompetent or even purely evil individual Tory MPs are they can’t be as bad as Leftie will be. Even if Leftie is actually the best person for 99% of the country you are in the other 1% so they’re bad.wallace_and_gromit said:
They are the least bad option. Quite how the Tories have created this scenario for a previously life-long Tory voter is fascinating. I want to vote Tory, but can’t, in any conscience, do so whilst the likes of JRM and Suella are in positions of influence.Stevo_666 said:
Given that the only other realistic voting choice (i.e. not a wasted vote) is Labour, how close do you think they get to where you see yourself fitting?wallace_and_gromit said:
That was only by accident really. Had Truss not shot herself in both feet, thus allowing the much more sensible Sunak (who is only really keeping the seat warm until the "chosen one" i.e. an ideologically pure Brexiter who is administratively competent and can keep the markets onside arrives to be swept into leadership by the nutters) to take charge, then the aforementioned nonsense would have made further progress towards the statute book.Stevo_666 said:
So two points that didn't really happen?wallace_and_gromit said:
True. But one has to be wary of a party that has in recent times actively pursued the following:Stevo_666 said:
We could debate whether 5 years of Labour is a short term hit and whether it might somehow magically 'clean up' politics...wallace_and_gromit said:
I know that's a joke, and I do understand your concerns about what a leftie regime might do for us, but I've got to the point where I'm willing to take a hit in the short term in order to re-embed some integrity and competence into UK politics for the benefit of the next generation. Well, a specific two of the next generation at least! Voting the Tories in again will just encourage them to continue to act in the way that has served us all so well (not) over the last 4 years or so.Stevo_666 said:
Not sure why the phrase about Turkeys voting for Christmas springs to mind?wallace_and_gromit said:
Well as a born again "centre leftie" with former rightish tendencies such as "personal responsibility", I say that nothing should be left to chance!Stevo_666 said:
Agree. Which is why, despite all the prediction of a Tory wipeout at the next GE, the lefties and centre lefties still feel the need to resort to tactical voting.wallace_and_gromit said:There were similar websites for the 2019 GE, with a conspicuous lack of success. Folk are remarkably stubborn for GEs in a way they aren't for local elections.
- The retained EU laws bill that would have axed bazzillions of perfectly good laws, without any consideration of the consequences, just because they originated via agreements within the EU. Thankfully now moderated.
- The internal markets bill that would have breached international law (the Northern Ireland Protocol) albeit in a "limited a specific way". Thankfully never implemented.
A commitment to low taxation (which rarely seems to get honoured) in exchange for nonsense like the above doesn't feel like a good deal. As an intelligent person, you shouldn't be voting to encourage further nonsense!
The key point is that the current Tory regime's "DNA" is to indulge in that sort of ideological nonsense. If Sunak can purge the party of the nutters then I'll give serious thought to returning to the fold. Though as a result of how the Tories have conducted themselves in recent years, I've done a lot more thinking about what they actually believe in, and I think that there is too much of a gulf on social matters for me to return. The "right right economically, socially liberal and always with integrity" (where I fit) part of the Tory movement seems to have gone, if indeed it ever really existed. "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I'm a working person. How confident are you that he will be true to his word?kingstongraham said:
https://news.sky.com/story/sir-keir-starmer-vows-to-cut-taxes-for-working-people-and-rules-out-swiss-style-eu-deal-12755232Stevo_666 said:
For example, Hunts recent statement that cutting taxes is the right thing, just not right now. When have Labour ever said that?rjsterry said:
What makes you think your lot will change direction? Who is there within the government who is even interested?Stevo_666 said:
Read what I said above. While the current govt has not gone in the right direction as far as I'm concerned, it will very likely be worse under Labour. I already pay enough tax IMHO, so why don't you go ahead and pay more?super_davo said:
Were you in the UK 13 years ago? Have there been any tax cuts in the last 13 years that benefitted you?Stevo_666 said:
Don't count your chickens...super_davo said:
Thing is, recent Tory tax policy (Truss, LTA etc.) would put the level you need to earn way beyond the merely quite well off to benefit. This plays to people's arrogance - e.g. you think you're doing well so should vote for "the low tax party". But the reality is unless you're currently well into the 50% bracket, you've probably been shafted far more by freezing rate thresholds in the last few years than anything Labour are likely to do.rick_chasey said:
If you won’t pay it, who will?Stevo_666 said:
If we accepted that premise then another way of looking at it is to ask who is likely raise taxes the most.rjsterry said:Nobody is lowering taxes any time soon. They can't afford to.
Also relevant is who is most likely to bear the brunt of any tax rises.
I think we know the answers to these.
Take it as motivation to go earn an extra £100k - that’s how I see it.
I just want a return to competent government, so when I speak to international colleagues, for them not to be laughing at the crazy **** my government is doing. Personally I don't expect to pay much more tax but it wouldn't be the end of the world if I did; as long as it was spent compentently rather than on massively unsubtle attempts to get a particular group of people to vote for the incumbent government."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
You keep singing the song Stevo but nobody is listening to the words.💤1
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They claim they do. Reeves has been expending a lot of energy trying to appear business friendly, but where do you think they going to go fishing for the money to do what they want? Probably the like of you and me.rjsterry said:
Given the previous PM is quoted as saying "f*** business", it seems the Conservative party already views me as the enemy. Which is why it's dying.Stevo_666 said:
You don't think they'll get worse if Labour get in. After all, as a business owner you will be the enemy.rjsterry said:
Well obviously. I've already been the brunt of tax rises so why would I think they'll change?Stevo_666 said:
Speak for yourself. It's very relevant for me.rjsterry said:
As a business owner, this is laughable.Stevo_666 said:
If we accepted that premise then another way of looking at it is to ask who is likely raise taxes the most.rjsterry said:Nobody is lowering taxes any time soon. They can't afford to.
Also relevant is who is most likely to bear the brunt of any tax rises.
I think we know the answers to these.
Right now the Labour party say they have have more positive development policies than the Conservatives. It may well not come to pass but it's worth a punt against a party actively opposing my line of work. That's how much of a hole they're in.
In any case, I live in a Con/LD marginal with a majority of just 650, so my options are pretty clear despite the LD being next to invisible."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
You asked when labour have said it.Stevo_666 said:
I'm a working person. How confident are you that he will be true to his word?kingstongraham said:
https://news.sky.com/story/sir-keir-starmer-vows-to-cut-taxes-for-working-people-and-rules-out-swiss-style-eu-deal-12755232Stevo_666 said:
For example, Hunts recent statement that cutting taxes is the right thing, just not right now. When have Labour ever said that?rjsterry said:
What makes you think your lot will change direction? Who is there within the government who is even interested?Stevo_666 said:
Read what I said above. While the current govt has not gone in the right direction as far as I'm concerned, it will very likely be worse under Labour. I already pay enough tax IMHO, so why don't you go ahead and pay more?super_davo said:
Were you in the UK 13 years ago? Have there been any tax cuts in the last 13 years that benefitted you?Stevo_666 said:
Don't count your chickens...super_davo said:
Thing is, recent Tory tax policy (Truss, LTA etc.) would put the level you need to earn way beyond the merely quite well off to benefit. This plays to people's arrogance - e.g. you think you're doing well so should vote for "the low tax party". But the reality is unless you're currently well into the 50% bracket, you've probably been shafted far more by freezing rate thresholds in the last few years than anything Labour are likely to do.rick_chasey said:
If you won’t pay it, who will?Stevo_666 said:
If we accepted that premise then another way of looking at it is to ask who is likely raise taxes the most.rjsterry said:Nobody is lowering taxes any time soon. They can't afford to.
Also relevant is who is most likely to bear the brunt of any tax rises.
I think we know the answers to these.
Take it as motivation to go earn an extra £100k - that’s how I see it.
I just want a return to competent government, so when I speak to international colleagues, for them not to be laughing at the crazy **** my government is doing. Personally I don't expect to pay much more tax but it wouldn't be the end of the world if I did; as long as it was spent compentently rather than on massively unsubtle attempts to get a particular group of people to vote for the incumbent government.0 -
I was talking more widely than that - see my reply to Pangolin above.Pross said:
I’ll stick to blaming policymakers on the outcome of their policies and not by the colour rosette they wear on election day.Stevo_666 said:
Some people need to look in the mirror a bit more. But it's often easier to blame some bogey man.Pross said:
Yes, it’s terrible the way they blame problems in the country on the Party that has governed it for 13 years.Stevo_666 said:
Unlike most of Cake Stop who have adopted the nasty Torwies as the root cause of all their problems in lifePross said:
You need to create yourself a bogey man. Let’s call him Leftie. Then you just tell yourself that however utterly censored everything gets it won’t be as bad as if Leftie was running things. You don’t even need to know what Leftie will do and if he says the right thing you ‘just know’ they won’t do what they say. Then you can vote Tory knowing you are doing the right thing and that no matter how corrupt, self-serving, incompetent or even purely evil individual Tory MPs are they can’t be as bad as Leftie will be. Even if Leftie is actually the best person for 99% of the country you are in the other 1% so they’re bad.wallace_and_gromit said:
They are the least bad option. Quite how the Tories have created this scenario for a previously life-long Tory voter is fascinating. I want to vote Tory, but can’t, in any conscience, do so whilst the likes of JRM and Suella are in positions of influence.Stevo_666 said:
Given that the only other realistic voting choice (i.e. not a wasted vote) is Labour, how close do you think they get to where you see yourself fitting?wallace_and_gromit said:
That was only by accident really. Had Truss not shot herself in both feet, thus allowing the much more sensible Sunak (who is only really keeping the seat warm until the "chosen one" i.e. an ideologically pure Brexiter who is administratively competent and can keep the markets onside arrives to be swept into leadership by the nutters) to take charge, then the aforementioned nonsense would have made further progress towards the statute book.Stevo_666 said:
So two points that didn't really happen?wallace_and_gromit said:
True. But one has to be wary of a party that has in recent times actively pursued the following:Stevo_666 said:
We could debate whether 5 years of Labour is a short term hit and whether it might somehow magically 'clean up' politics...wallace_and_gromit said:
I know that's a joke, and I do understand your concerns about what a leftie regime might do for us, but I've got to the point where I'm willing to take a hit in the short term in order to re-embed some integrity and competence into UK politics for the benefit of the next generation. Well, a specific two of the next generation at least! Voting the Tories in again will just encourage them to continue to act in the way that has served us all so well (not) over the last 4 years or so.Stevo_666 said:
Not sure why the phrase about Turkeys voting for Christmas springs to mind?wallace_and_gromit said:
Well as a born again "centre leftie" with former rightish tendencies such as "personal responsibility", I say that nothing should be left to chance!Stevo_666 said:
Agree. Which is why, despite all the prediction of a Tory wipeout at the next GE, the lefties and centre lefties still feel the need to resort to tactical voting.wallace_and_gromit said:There were similar websites for the 2019 GE, with a conspicuous lack of success. Folk are remarkably stubborn for GEs in a way they aren't for local elections.
- The retained EU laws bill that would have axed bazzillions of perfectly good laws, without any consideration of the consequences, just because they originated via agreements within the EU. Thankfully now moderated.
- The internal markets bill that would have breached international law (the Northern Ireland Protocol) albeit in a "limited a specific way". Thankfully never implemented.
A commitment to low taxation (which rarely seems to get honoured) in exchange for nonsense like the above doesn't feel like a good deal. As an intelligent person, you shouldn't be voting to encourage further nonsense!
The key point is that the current Tory regime's "DNA" is to indulge in that sort of ideological nonsense. If Sunak can purge the party of the nutters then I'll give serious thought to returning to the fold. Though as a result of how the Tories have conducted themselves in recent years, I've done a lot more thinking about what they actually believe in, and I think that there is too much of a gulf on social matters for me to return. The "right right economically, socially liberal and always with integrity" (where I fit) part of the Tory movement seems to have gone, if indeed it ever really existed."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
webboo said:
You keep singing the song Stevo but nobody is listening to the words.💤
I think Stevo is just trying to persuade himself at this point.0 -
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So explain what you’d cut for the associated tax cuts you want.Stevo_666 said:
Why are you assuming that all tax collected is spent on services?rick_chasey said:For those arguing low tax - who is going to pay for state run services and if the answer is no one, which services would you cut?
Would you, say, take a 15 percentage points cut in your top rate tax in return for scrapping the NHS?0 -
It’s infinitely better then ‘f*ck business’Stevo_666 said:
They claim they do. Reeves has been expending a lot of energy trying to appear business friendly, but where do you think they going to go fishing for the money to do what they want? Probably the like of you and me.rjsterry said:
Given the previous PM is quoted as saying "f*** business", it seems the Conservative party already views me as the enemy. Which is why it's dying.Stevo_666 said:
You don't think they'll get worse if Labour get in. After all, as a business owner you will be the enemy.rjsterry said:
Well obviously. I've already been the brunt of tax rises so why would I think they'll change?Stevo_666 said:
Speak for yourself. It's very relevant for me.rjsterry said:
As a business owner, this is laughable.Stevo_666 said:
If we accepted that premise then another way of looking at it is to ask who is likely raise taxes the most.rjsterry said:Nobody is lowering taxes any time soon. They can't afford to.
Also relevant is who is most likely to bear the brunt of any tax rises.
I think we know the answers to these.
Right now the Labour party say they have have more positive development policies than the Conservatives. It may well not come to pass but it's worth a punt against a party actively opposing my line of work. That's how much of a hole they're in.
In any case, I live in a Con/LD marginal with a majority of just 650, so my options are pretty clear despite the LD being next to invisible.0 -
There's some really sore losers in the party tonight.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Part of the anti-growth coalition0
