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Oh get a grip the pair of you.
When we already have enough actual far-right extremists we don't need to trivialise their existence by slapping the F word on anything we don't like.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Farage?rjsterry said:Oh get a grip the pair of you.
When we already have enough actual far-right extremists we don't need to trivialise their existence by slapping the F word on anything we don't like.0 -
I'd have guessed, and I may be wrong, that there's little that @Stevo_666 would have in common with the National Conservative group.
They're a long way from a mainstream centre right grouping.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Low tax? I would hope not much else though as they seem to be more UKIP or even BNP and seem intent on undermining their own Party leader. Basically they’re the ones making traditional centrist Tories look elsewhere then blaming everyone else for the Party’s problems.tailwindhome said:I'd have guessed, and I may be wrong, that there's little that @Stevo_666 would have in common with the National Conservative group.
They're a long way from a mainstream centre right grouping.0 -
Braverman is just trying to get sacked so she can be an anti-woke martyr and bag a slot on GBN. I guess if you whinge about the nasty elites then you can slack off doing your actual job. F*** knows why Sunak puts up with such C-grade dross.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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The telling part is he picked them as the best of the bunch.rjsterry said:Braverman is just trying to get sacked so she can be an anti-woke martyr and bag a slot on GBN. I guess if you whinge about the nasty elites then you can slack off doing your actual job. F*** knows why Sunak puts up with such C-grade dross.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
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Because he largely agrees.rjsterry said:Braverman is just trying to get sacked so she can be an anti-woke martyr and bag a slot on GBN. I guess if you whinge about the nasty elites then you can slack off doing your actual job. F*** knows why Sunak puts up with such C-grade dross.
Heaven knows why sunak seems to get a free pass on this.0 -
Speaking of actual elites
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I assume they are counting WW1 as the other time they ‘mucked up’? If so I’m intrigued why they think that was an example of German nationalism gone wrong rather than nationalism gone wrong in Germany, Russia and Britain (or a family feud that everyone got dragged into).tailwindhome said:
Ironically it sums up what is wrong with nationalism, you ignore the problems in your own country as you think it is so superior.0 -
Tax AVOIDANCE - not illegal.rick_chasey said:Speaking of actual elites
Wills, Pensions, Isas, investment bonds, offshore bonds, BPR investments etc, etc - all tax avoidance schemes.
I would expect almost eeryone on here to hold at least one of the above.
Tax EVASION - different matter, but too many ignorant know nothings confuse the two.0 -
That was my initial response but there are also more controversial tax avoidance schemes and, whilst still legal, there’s an obvious conflict if those deciding the legality are using them.Dorset_Boy said:
Tax AVOIDANCE - not illegal.rick_chasey said:Speaking of actual elites
Wills, Pensions, Isas, investment bonds, offshore bonds, BPR investments etc, etc - all tax avoidance schemes.
I would expect almost eeryone on here to hold at least one of the above.
Tax EVASION - different matter, but too many ignorant know nothings confuse the two.0 -
CONFLICT Of INTEREST - is a situation in which a person or organization is involved in multiple interests, financial or otherwise, and serving one interest could involve working against another. Typically, this relates to situations in which the personal interest of an individual or organization might adversely affect a duty owed to make decisions for the benefit of a third party.Dorset_Boy said:
Tax AVOIDANCE - not illegal.rick_chasey said:Speaking of actual elites
Wills, Pensions, Isas, investment bonds, offshore bonds, BPR investments etc, etc - all tax avoidance schemes.
I would expect almost eeryone on here to hold at least one of the above.
Tax EVASION - different matter, but too many ignorant know nothings confuse the two.
Of course, reading the article does help a bit.Each has retained their interests in the schemes after taking their positions as High Court judges, Companies House records show.
Two other sitting High Court judges made similar investments in tax schemes that have since closed, one of which was called “highly abusive” and “completely contrived” by a government minister.“Any sophisticated person could reasonably have been expected to know that these schemes were unacceptable to HMRC,” said Sir Edward Troup, formerly the most senior civil servant at the tax authority.
Troup added that he viewed investing in tax avoidance schemes as “unacceptable behaviour by a professional”.
Tax avoidance may be challenged by the tax authorities but is different to tax evasion, the criminal offence of deliberately failing to pay tax. Schemes often take advantage of tax credits intended for activities the government wants to encourage.Unlike the US, where Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas has been embroiled in a scandal about his financial affairs, the UK does not require its judges to make systematic disclosures about their interests.
And an example of the above conflict of interest
In 2004, the UK government introduced legislation requiring the promoters of tax avoidance schemes to notify HMRC about their plans.
Smith, who was appointed a High Court judge in 2021, in 2012 invested in a pair of property tax schemes involving tax credits for renovating unused business premises. One of the schemes, Curo Charlotte House LLP, centred on a Glasgow hotel.
The FT in December 2014 reported that investors in the Charlotte House LLP were set to receive repayment demands from HMRC after the tax authority notified the scheme’s promoter it was taking action.
Last year, Smith ruled on a pair of separate tax appeals that involved similar questions to those that could have been at issue in the Charlotte House matter, according to Dan Neidle, founder of think-tank Tax Policy Associates and a former top City tax solicitor.
One of the tax appeals concerned the circumstances where a taxpayer has a “reasonable excuse” for not paying tax that is due, while the other turned on the question of whether a scheme has a “main purpose” of avoiding tax.
Neidle told the FT he thought Smith should have recused herself from the cases as a result of her investment in the Charlotte House LLP, whether or not any dispute with HMRC was active at the time.
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In October, HMRC successfully challenged the scheme at the Court of Appeal, which found that the scheme’s investors were not due any tax credits on their investment.0 -
Agrees with what? She's not doing anything. She's not stopped a single boat; the Met is a bin fire; immigration is through the roof (who is issuing all these visas?). She is peak Conservatism: sit on your backside and blame everyone else for your problems.rick_chasey said:
Because he largely agrees.rjsterry said:Braverman is just trying to get sacked so she can be an anti-woke martyr and bag a slot on GBN. I guess if you whinge about the nasty elites then you can slack off doing your actual job. F*** knows why Sunak puts up with such C-grade dross.
Heaven knows why sunak seems to get a free pass on this.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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He agrees with her rhetoric and her proposed 'solutions'.rjsterry said:
Agrees with what? She's not doing anything. She's not stopped a single boat; the Met is a bin fire; immigration is through the roof (who is issuing all these visas?). She is peak Conservatism: sit on your backside and blame everyone else for your problems.rick_chasey said:
Because he largely agrees.rjsterry said:Braverman is just trying to get sacked so she can be an anti-woke martyr and bag a slot on GBN. I guess if you whinge about the nasty elites then you can slack off doing your actual job. F*** knows why Sunak puts up with such C-grade dross.
Heaven knows why sunak seems to get a free pass on this.
She's done stuff, it's just not effective.
I don't know why everyone seems to think she is at odds with what Sunak thinks. I think the assumption should be he is onboard with her approach and rhetoric until he states otherwise.
Why else does he put this in front of his lectern?
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rjsterry said:
Agrees with what? She's not doing anything. She's not stopped a single boat; the Met is a bin fire; immigration is through the roof (who is issuing all these visas?). She is peak Conservatism: sit on your backside and blame everyone else for your problems.rick_chasey said:
Because he largely agrees.rjsterry said:Braverman is just trying to get sacked so she can be an anti-woke martyr and bag a slot on GBN. I guess if you whinge about the nasty elites then you can slack off doing your actual job. F*** knows why Sunak puts up with such C-grade dross.
Heaven knows why sunak seems to get a free pass on this.
Braverman's speech was a take down of the Home Secretary's poor performance.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Braverman? (See points 1 & 2 above)rjsterry said:Oh get a grip the pair of you.
When we already have enough actual far-right extremists we don't need to trivialise their existence by slapping the F word on anything we don't like. "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Fair point, but I was was making a completely different and light-hearted one about our wannabe Che Guevaras.tailwindhome said:I'd have guessed, and I may be wrong, that there's little that @Stevo_666 would have in common with the National Conservative group.
They're a long way from a mainstream centre right grouping."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
The rhetoric is just hot air that they thought would play well in the locals. They're not actually interested in reducing immigration or stopping boats or any of the other stuff they claim to be against. If they were they'd have done something by now.rick_chasey said:
He agrees with her rhetoric and her proposed 'solutions'.rjsterry said:
Agrees with what? She's not doing anything. She's not stopped a single boat; the Met is a bin fire; immigration is through the roof (who is issuing all these visas?). She is peak Conservatism: sit on your backside and blame everyone else for your problems.rick_chasey said:
Because he largely agrees.rjsterry said:Braverman is just trying to get sacked so she can be an anti-woke martyr and bag a slot on GBN. I guess if you whinge about the nasty elites then you can slack off doing your actual job. F*** knows why Sunak puts up with such C-grade dross.
Heaven knows why sunak seems to get a free pass on this.
She's done stuff, it's just not effective.
I don't know why everyone seems to think she is at odds with what Sunak thinks. I think the assumption should be he is onboard with her approach and rhetoric until he states otherwise.
Why else does he put this in front of his lectern?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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The conservatives are gonna feel really silly when they find out who has been in power for the last decade.tailwindhome said:rjsterry said:
Agrees with what? She's not doing anything. She's not stopped a single boat; the Met is a bin fire; immigration is through the roof (who is issuing all these visas?). She is peak Conservatism: sit on your backside and blame everyone else for your problems.rick_chasey said:
Because he largely agrees.rjsterry said:Braverman is just trying to get sacked so she can be an anti-woke martyr and bag a slot on GBN. I guess if you whinge about the nasty elites then you can slack off doing your actual job. F*** knows why Sunak puts up with such C-grade dross.
Heaven knows why sunak seems to get a free pass on this.
Braverman's speech was a take down of the Home Secretary's poor performance.0 -
Any hope for a split in the party, to hive off the Nat-c's I to a separate party with red, black and white geometric branding and leave a moderate right of centre party that would not be catastrophic for Britain?
Or are the Nat-c's our version of the Tea Party?0 -
The majority of the increase in immigration is through the visa system. They have complete control of who they give visas to. They are not really interested in reducing immigration. It's all performative.rick_chasey said:I disagree. I think they really do want to stop them, but what they think is effective isn't.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Thet are interested in reducing immigration, it is governance that bores them.0
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When they've lost the MoS's Dan Hodges, you know it's bad.
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Anyone in mainstream politics. Braverman is just ineffectual.Stevo_666 said:
Braverman? (See points 1 & 2 above)rjsterry said:Oh get a grip the pair of you.
When we already have enough actual far-right extremists we don't need to trivialise their existence by slapping the F word on anything we don't like.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
rjsterry said:
Anyone in mainstream politics. Braverman is just ineffectual.Stevo_666 said:
Braverman? (See points 1 & 2 above)rjsterry said:Oh get a grip the pair of you.
When we already have enough actual far-right extremists we don't need to trivialise their existence by slapping the F word on anything we don't like.
But she's still dangerous, for what she's trying to do. It's hard to put the genie back into the bottle, even if she's only doing it for her personal political ambition.
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We already knew this but good to prove it conclusively.0 -
Is there a breakdown of the numbers? my guess is that compared to EU immigration the new immigrants have more dependents which is why you have a doubling of the numbers and not enough workers.rjsterry said:
The majority of the increase in immigration is through the visa system. They have complete control of who they give visas to. They are not really interested in reducing immigration. It's all performative.rick_chasey said:I disagree. I think they really do want to stop them, but what they think is effective isn't.
And of course relying on the State to allocate resources.
Would also be interesting to know what parts of the country they are going to as the EU immigrants were heavily biased towards London.0
