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focuszing723

Have you heard about the company "Clearview AI"? Well...Their computers trawl the net for images of people and then use AI to match a photo fit or CCTV. US state Police forces are using it to catch criminals. The founder looks like a real eccentric IT boffin too, which is helpful. Fine art on the walls n $h1t.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-65057011

Fascinating technology.

focuszing723

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kingstongraham

focuszing723 said:

Have you heard about the company "Clearview AI"? Well...Their computers trawl the net for images of people and then use AI to match a photo fit or CCTV. US state Police forces are using it to catch criminals. The founder looks like a real eccentric IT boffin too, which is helpful. Fine art on the walls n $h1t.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-65057011

Fascinating technology.

https://ico.org.uk/about-the-ico/media-centre/news-and-blogs/2022/05/ico-fines-facial-recognition-database-company-clearview-ai-inc/

Feels like we're pissing in the wind to try and stop this dystopia.

laurentian

Our local pub was taken over by a couple last July.

They have both worked very hard to renovate, decorate, advertise etc and are doing a cracking job of resurrecting a village pub that has been struggling for years. It really is a very welcome transformation and the pub appears to be flourishing.

They had a couple of incidents of stock being nicked from their storage outbuildings and so upgraded their security such that the motion sensing cameras send live images to the landlord's mobile.

Whilst at his other job in the morning a few weeks ago, the sensing camera was triggered showing a chap loading his van in ther car park with newly purchased building materials that were stored behind the pub for a conservatory extension. He alerted his partner (the landlady) who lives about 100 yards down the road from the pub who called the police and somehow relayed the live images to the police phone. She then ran up to the pub, accosted the miscreant and made him unload the materials from his van - she's got balls to be fair! (although not all of the materials were unloaded as it turns out). She took photos of the thief, photos of the van including number plate and sent to the Police.

As is the way of the world, she posted this on the village Facebook page and someone checked out the van via DVLC which showed it to be legally owned, MOT's, insured etc.

I don't know how compelling evidence has to be but, to my knowledge, there has still been no arrest. I find this very difficult to understand.

focuszing723

kingstongraham said:

focuszing723 said:

Have you heard about the company "Clearview AI"? Well...Their computers trawl the net for images of people and then use AI to match a photo fit or CCTV. US state Police forces are using it to catch criminals. The founder looks like a real eccentric IT boffin too, which is helpful. Fine art on the walls n $h1t.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-65057011

Fascinating technology.

https://ico.org.uk/about-the-ico/media-centre/news-and-blogs/2022/05/ico-fines-facial-recognition-database-company-clearview-ai-inc/

Feels like we're pissing in the wind to try and stop this dystopia.

Yep. AI doesn't worry me, I would just love to see It's evolution, also It's maximum evolved state in the Universe currently.

When technology evolves it gets smaller, more efficient/compressed. Perhaps that's why it's not observable? There are 43 quintillion atoms in a grain of sand.

focuszing723

Pross

laurentian said:

Our local pub was taken over by a couple last July.

They have both worked very hard to renovate, decorate, advertise etc and are doing a cracking job of resurrecting a village pub that has been struggling for years. It really is a very welcome transformation and the pub appears to be flourishing.

They had a couple of incidents of stock being nicked from their storage outbuildings and so upgraded their security such that the motion sensing cameras send live images to the landlord's mobile.

Whilst at his other job in the morning a few weeks ago, the sensing camera was triggered showing a chap loading his van in ther car park with newly purchased building materials that were stored behind the pub for a conservatory extension. He alerted his partner (the landlady) who lives about 100 yards down the road from the pub who called the police and somehow relayed the live images to the police phone. She then ran up to the pub, accosted the miscreant and made him unload the materials from his van - she's got balls to be fair! (although not all of the materials were unloaded as it turns out). She took photos of the thief, photos of the van including number plate and sent to the Police.

As is the way of the world, she posted this on the village Facebook page and someone checked out the van via DVLC which showed it to be legally owned, MOT's, insured etc.

I don't know how compelling evidence has to be but, to my knowledge, there has still been no arrest. I find this very difficult to understand.

That's something that the police recommend you don't do.

kingstongraham

If they did something imaginative with the 20% the NHS claims to pay to doctors pensions, there must be a decent offer to be made. Might help with the problems with their overfull pensions when they retire, too.

They must know that 2% isn't going to cut it.

rick_chasey

FWIW junior doctors in Oz get paid double what junior doctors in the UK do.

briantrumpet

kingstongraham said:

If they did something imaginative with the 20% the NHS claims to pay to doctors pensions, there must be a decent offer to be made. Might help with the problems with their overfull pensions when they retire, too.

They must know that 2% isn't going to cut it.

Given that there's no pool to replace doctors, maybe they are thinking either the doctors might relent and settle for something way under their demand, or that, what the hell, let's show that the NHS has to be broken up because it's unworkable. Either would class as a win. The latter is the end game, I'm sure.

Pross

rick_chasey said:

FWIW junior doctors in Oz get paid double what junior doctors in the UK do.

Is that comparing apples with apples though? I'm always dubious with claims like that and when you drill into the details it generally doesn't hold up (I don't doubt they are paid significantly better).

pblakeney

briantrumpet said:

kingstongraham said:

If they did something imaginative with the 20% the NHS claims to pay to doctors pensions, there must be a decent offer to be made. Might help with the problems with their overfull pensions when they retire, too.

They must know that 2% isn't going to cut it.

Given that there's no pool to replace doctors, maybe they are thinking either the doctors might relent and settle for something way under their demand, or that, what the hell, let's show that the NHS has to be broken up because it's unworkable. Either would class as a win. The latter is the end game, I'm sure.

I've been suggesting that for years.
I usually get shot down for making a ridiculous suggestion.

Pross

As suspected, this suggests it isn't quite a simple https://www.messly.com/blog/salary-pay-and-pensions-in-australia-as-a-junior-doctor . The main increase seems to be related to the Australian system paying for hours over 38 per week (which obviously makes a big difference - hopefully it also means you aren't getting treated by a doctor that has had a couple of hours sleep in the previous few days)

focuszing723

Pross said:

As suspected, this suggests it isn't quite a simple https://www.messly.com/blog/salary-pay-and-pensions-in-australia-as-a-junior-doctor . The main increase seems to be related to the Australian system paying for hours over 38 per week (which obviously makes a big difference - hopefully it also means you aren't getting treated by a doctor that has had a couple of hours sleep in the previous few days)

A like for the fact you questioned and followed up with quoted supported facts.

kingstongraham

briantrumpet said:

kingstongraham said:

If they did something imaginative with the 20% the NHS claims to pay to doctors pensions, there must be a decent offer to be made. Might help with the problems with their overfull pensions when they retire, too.

They must know that 2% isn't going to cut it.

Given that there's no pool to replace doctors, maybe they are thinking either the doctors might relent and settle for something way under their demand, or that, what the hell, let's show that the NHS has to be broken up because it's unworkable. Either would class as a win. The latter is the end game, I'm sure.

They will obviously settle for something way under their demand.

But until there's a sensible negotiation, that offer's not there. Pensions might form a part of that - if doctors are having problems because their pensions are too big, maybe they should swap some of that for cash.

Pross

kingstongraham said:

briantrumpet said:

kingstongraham said:

If they did something imaginative with the 20% the NHS claims to pay to doctors pensions, there must be a decent offer to be made. Might help with the problems with their overfull pensions when they retire, too.

They must know that 2% isn't going to cut it.

Given that there's no pool to replace doctors, maybe they are thinking either the doctors might relent and settle for something way under their demand, or that, what the hell, let's show that the NHS has to be broken up because it's unworkable. Either would class as a win. The latter is the end game, I'm sure.

They will obviously settle for something way under their demand.

But until there's a sensible negotiation, that offer's not there. Pensions might form a part of that - if doctors are having problems because their pensions are too big, maybe they should swap some of that for cash.

Both sides are starting with unreasonable positions which doesn't bode well for negotiation. Chucking everything into the mix for discussion would be good starting point.

kingstongraham

Pross said:

kingstongraham said:

briantrumpet said:

kingstongraham said:

If they did something imaginative with the 20% the NHS claims to pay to doctors pensions, there must be a decent offer to be made. Might help with the problems with their overfull pensions when they retire, too.

They must know that 2% isn't going to cut it.

Given that there's no pool to replace doctors, maybe they are thinking either the doctors might relent and settle for something way under their demand, or that, what the hell, let's show that the NHS has to be broken up because it's unworkable. Either would class as a win. The latter is the end game, I'm sure.

They will obviously settle for something way under their demand.

But until there's a sensible negotiation, that offer's not there. Pensions might form a part of that - if doctors are having problems because their pensions are too big, maybe they should swap some of that for cash.

Both sides are starting with unreasonable positions which doesn't bode well for negotiation. Chucking everything into the mix for discussion would be good starting point.

I don't know which constituency the "we've offered them 2% and there'll be no more for those greedy doctors" appeals to.

rick_chasey

https://twitter.com/gideonrachman/status/1645855168880168964?s=46&t=Q7O5dnx-0MXQv9qE3vz1vg

Quality. Remind me what credentials Rishi had when he became PM? Oh that’s right, he was chancellor

kingstongraham

Something that is stopped and stays stopped has a growth in speed of 0% while something going 100 mph to 99 mph
has a growth in speed of -1%.

I don't think a direct comparison of growth in one year tells us a lot about the health of the two economies.

pblakeney

kingstongraham said:

Something that is stopped and stays stopped has a growth in speed of 0% while something going 100 mph to 99 mph
has a growth in speed of -1%.

I don't think a direct comparison of growth in one year tells us a lot about the health of the two economies.

I'd accept that if we were going 100 mph.
In 2021 we were outside of the top 20 countries GDP per capita.

rick_chasey

kingstongraham said:

Something that is stopped and stays stopped has a growth in speed of 0% while something going 100 mph to 99 mph
has a growth in speed of -1%.

I don't think a direct comparison of growth in one year tells us a lot about the health of the two economies.

Is this for real?

kingstongraham

pblakeney said:

kingstongraham said:

Something that is stopped and stays stopped has a growth in speed of 0% while something going 100 mph to 99 mph
has a growth in speed of -1%.

I don't think a direct comparison of growth in one year tells us a lot about the health of the two economies.

I'd accept that if we were going 100 mph.
In 2021 we were outside of the top 20 countries GDP per capita.

How are Russia going?

kingstongraham

rick_chasey said:

kingstongraham said:

Something that is stopped and stays stopped has a growth in speed of 0% while something going 100 mph to 99 mph
has a growth in speed of -1%.

I don't think a direct comparison of growth in one year tells us a lot about the health of the two economies.

Is this for real?

If the sanctions have been effective for more than a year, growth forecast for Russia will be based on their gdp post sanctions.

Use 10mph for the UK if you like, but I don't think a comparison of growth with Russia is of any value. Comparison with the rest of the g7 is fair.

pblakeney

kingstongraham said:

pblakeney said:

kingstongraham said:

Something that is stopped and stays stopped has a growth in speed of 0% while something going 100 mph to 99 mph
has a growth in speed of -1%.

I don't think a direct comparison of growth in one year tells us a lot about the health of the two economies.

I'd accept that if we were going 100 mph.
In 2021 we were outside of the top 20 countries GDP per capita.

How are Russia going?

That are outside too, hardly surprising. And who cares?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/270180/countries-with-the-largest-gross-domestic-product-gdp-per-capita/

kingstongraham

pblakeney said:

kingstongraham said:

pblakeney said:

kingstongraham said:

Something that is stopped and stays stopped has a growth in speed of 0% while something going 100 mph to 99 mph
has a growth in speed of -1%.

I don't think a direct comparison of growth in one year tells us a lot about the health of the two economies.

I'd accept that if we were going 100 mph.
In 2021 we were outside of the top 20 countries GDP per capita.

How are Russia going?

That are outside too, hardly surprising. And who cares?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/270180/countries-with-the-largest-gross-domestic-product-gdp-per-capita/

That's 2021. Not relevant.

pblakeney

kingstongraham said:

pblakeney said:

kingstongraham said:

pblakeney said:

kingstongraham said:

Something that is stopped and stays stopped has a growth in speed of 0% while something going 100 mph to 99 mph
has a growth in speed of -1%.

I don't think a direct comparison of growth in one year tells us a lot about the health of the two economies.

I'd accept that if we were going 100 mph.
In 2021 we were outside of the top 20 countries GDP per capita.

How are Russia going?

That are outside too, hardly surprising. And who cares?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/270180/countries-with-the-largest-gross-domestic-product-gdp-per-capita/

That's 2021. Not relevant.

It is the last reported year, and more relevant than projections.

kingstongraham

pblakeney said:

kingstongraham said:

pblakeney said:

kingstongraham said:

pblakeney said:

kingstongraham said:

Something that is stopped and stays stopped has a growth in speed of 0% while something going 100 mph to 99 mph
has a growth in speed of -1%.

I don't think a direct comparison of growth in one year tells us a lot about the health of the two economies.

I'd accept that if we were going 100 mph.
In 2021 we were outside of the top 20 countries GDP per capita.

How are Russia going?

That are outside too, hardly surprising. And who cares?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/270180/countries-with-the-largest-gross-domestic-product-gdp-per-capita/

That's 2021. Not relevant.

It is the last reported year, and more relevant than projections.

Not relevant at all to comparing UK growth to Russia after a year of sanctions.

pblakeney

kingstongraham said:

pblakeney said:

kingstongraham said:

pblakeney said:

kingstongraham said:

pblakeney said:

kingstongraham said:

Something that is stopped and stays stopped has a growth in speed of 0% while something going 100 mph to 99 mph
has a growth in speed of -1%.

I don't think a direct comparison of growth in one year tells us a lot about the health of the two economies.

I'd accept that if we were going 100 mph.
In 2021 we were outside of the top 20 countries GDP per capita.

How are Russia going?

That are outside too, hardly surprising. And who cares?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/270180/countries-with-the-largest-gross-domestic-product-gdp-per-capita/

That's 2021. Not relevant.

It is the last reported year, and more relevant than projections.

Not relevant at all to comparing UK growth to Russia after a year of sanctions.

I didn't compare us to Russia.
Although if anyone is using that as a benchmark it shows how sh!t we are.

kingstongraham

pblakeney said:

kingstongraham said:

pblakeney said:

kingstongraham said:

pblakeney said:

kingstongraham said:

pblakeney said:

kingstongraham said:

Something that is stopped and stays stopped has a growth in speed of 0% while something going 100 mph to 99 mph
has a growth in speed of -1%.

I don't think a direct comparison of growth in one year tells us a lot about the health of the two economies.

I'd accept that if we were going 100 mph.
In 2021 we were outside of the top 20 countries GDP per capita.

How are Russia going?

That are outside too, hardly surprising. And who cares?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/270180/countries-with-the-largest-gross-domestic-product-gdp-per-capita/

That's 2021. Not relevant.

It is the last reported year, and more relevant than projections.

Not relevant at all to comparing UK growth to Russia after a year of sanctions.

I didn't compare us to Russia.
Although if anyone is using that as a benchmark it shows how sh!t we are.

The tweet I responded to was doing exactly that. My point is that if we had a similar gdp per capita to Russia, that would be bad - but the comparison made was between year on year growth between two countries, one of which has been at war for over a year.

I think taking any conclusions from that on its own is foolish.

pblakeney

I fully agree that statistics without context are useless.
High growth % from a low base is worth less than low growth % from a high base.