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Or just enough teachers to teach it properly.Jezyboy said:
The level of maths required for that should have been covered before even GCSE though? I'd argue that if it hasn't gone in by 16, then what is needed is a review of teaching methods, not 2 more years of the same thingpblakeney said:
If it's about teaching practical home budget accounting then fair enough.Jezyboy said:Apparently it's time for Sunak's teach maths until 18 plan to do the media rounds again...
Theoretical mathematics (for want of a better phrase) should be a choice.0 -
Fwiw I'm all for getting rid of the somewhat ridiculous attitude that many adults have towards maths (although I suspect the history grad will also correctly point out that STEM bros frequently have silly ideas about arts subjects).
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What attitudes are they?
I always thought pure maths was a good way to exercise that side of your brain which is used in lots of other ‘real world’ thinking.0 -
For starters, the fact that maths can be beautiful and elegant. Although, to be fair, that's also missed in a very large subset of adults with STEM degrees.0
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I'll use the opportunity to brag > history was hard to get into at my uni but maths wasn't.drhaggis said:For starters, the fact that maths can be beautiful and elegant. Although, to be fair, that's also missed in a very large subset of adults with STEM degrees.
As part of my 1st year course we had to do a non-history module so I did two half-maths modules, one pure, one mechanics.
Anyway, they were old fashioned enough to post the module results in rank order with your student number and course code.
Suffice to say, everyone was cheesed off that the only person not doing a maths degree was top
Maths is great, and the easier to revise for up to Uni. You just "do it" for an hour or two a day.0 -
Has it though? Is the question.Jezyboy said:
The level of maths required for that should have been covered before even GCSE though? I'd argue that if it hasn't gone in by 16, then what is needed is a review of teaching methods, not 2 more years of the same thingpblakeney said:
If it's about teaching practical home budget accounting then fair enough.Jezyboy said:Apparently it's time for Sunak's teach maths until 18 plan to do the media rounds again...
Theoretical mathematics (for want of a better phrase) should be a choice.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I'd say so. Unless it's significantly got worse, compound interest, etc is very much part of it.pblakeney said:
Has it though? Is the question.Jezyboy said:
The level of maths required for that should have been covered before even GCSE though? I'd argue that if it hasn't gone in by 16, then what is needed is a review of teaching methods, not 2 more years of the same thingpblakeney said:
If it's about teaching practical home budget accounting then fair enough.Jezyboy said:Apparently it's time for Sunak's teach maths until 18 plan to do the media rounds again...
Theoretical mathematics (for want of a better phrase) should be a choice.
Clearly that wasn't on the syllabus for O-levels judging by the maths for 50+ year old columnists who don't understand why smaller % increases in interest rates have a bigger impact when house prices are 10x what they were.0 -
Fair in that case.rick_chasey said:
I'd say so. Unless it's significantly got worse, compound interest, etc is very much part of it.pblakeney said:
Has it though? Is the question.Jezyboy said:
The level of maths required for that should have been covered before even GCSE though? I'd argue that if it hasn't gone in by 16, then what is needed is a review of teaching methods, not 2 more years of the same thingpblakeney said:
If it's about teaching practical home budget accounting then fair enough.Jezyboy said:Apparently it's time for Sunak's teach maths until 18 plan to do the media rounds again...
Theoretical mathematics (for want of a better phrase) should be a choice.
Clearly that wasn't on the syllabus for O-levels judging by the maths for 50+ year old columnists who don't understand why smaller % increases in interest rates have a bigger impact when house prices are 10x what they were.
Don't know why Rishi is pushing this then.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
have some vague recollection that maths abilities in general from school leavers are well below Western European rivals, let alone developed Asian. The French certainly produce a lot of very good mathsy students.pblakeney said:
Fair in that case.rick_chasey said:
I'd say so. Unless it's significantly got worse, compound interest, etc is very much part of it.pblakeney said:
Has it though? Is the question.Jezyboy said:
The level of maths required for that should have been covered before even GCSE though? I'd argue that if it hasn't gone in by 16, then what is needed is a review of teaching methods, not 2 more years of the same thingpblakeney said:
If it's about teaching practical home budget accounting then fair enough.Jezyboy said:Apparently it's time for Sunak's teach maths until 18 plan to do the media rounds again...
Theoretical mathematics (for want of a better phrase) should be a choice.
Clearly that wasn't on the syllabus for O-levels judging by the maths for 50+ year old columnists who don't understand why smaller % increases in interest rates have a bigger impact when house prices are 10x what they were.
Don't know why Rishi is pushing this then.
Nothing to back this up so could be BS.
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Yes. Daughter (yr 9) has had specific lessons on domestic budgeting.pblakeney said:
Has it though? Is the question.Jezyboy said:
The level of maths required for that should have been covered before even GCSE though? I'd argue that if it hasn't gone in by 16, then what is needed is a review of teaching methods, not 2 more years of the same thingpblakeney said:
If it's about teaching practical home budget accounting then fair enough.Jezyboy said:Apparently it's time for Sunak's teach maths until 18 plan to do the media rounds again...
Theoretical mathematics (for want of a better phrase) should be a choice.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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rick_chasey said:
What attitudes are they?
I always thought pure maths was a good way to exercise that side of your brain which is used in lots of other ‘real world’ thinking.
That's a bit like saying that Latin should be compulsory as it's good for the language part of the brain. Both might be true, but it's not necessarily the best way to motivate reluctant learners.0 -
TBH as someone who did an extra-curricular Latin GSCE, if I was going to learn multiple European languages I would absolutely recommend Latin.briantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:What attitudes are they?
I always thought pure maths was a good way to exercise that side of your brain which is used in lots of other ‘real world’ thinking.
That's a bit like saying that Latin should be compulsory as it's good for the language part of the brain. Both might be true, but it's not necessarily the best way to motivate reluctant learners.
Poems about gory bloody battles and losing your virginity to prostitutes - what more does a 15 year old want out of school?0 -
That's good. I didn't get anything like that and did GCSEs in 2001.rjsterry said:
Yes. Daughter (yr 9) has had specific lessons on domestic budgeting.pblakeney said:
Has it though? Is the question.Jezyboy said:
The level of maths required for that should have been covered before even GCSE though? I'd argue that if it hasn't gone in by 16, then what is needed is a review of teaching methods, not 2 more years of the same thingpblakeney said:
If it's about teaching practical home budget accounting then fair enough.Jezyboy said:Apparently it's time for Sunak's teach maths until 18 plan to do the media rounds again...
Theoretical mathematics (for want of a better phrase) should be a choice.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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That's a while ago now (sorry). 😉1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Good to know.rjsterry said:
Yes. Daughter (yr 9) has had specific lessons on domestic budgeting.pblakeney said:
Has it though? Is the question.Jezyboy said:
The level of maths required for that should have been covered before even GCSE though? I'd argue that if it hasn't gone in by 16, then what is needed is a review of teaching methods, not 2 more years of the same thingpblakeney said:
If it's about teaching practical home budget accounting then fair enough.Jezyboy said:Apparently it's time for Sunak's teach maths until 18 plan to do the media rounds again...
Theoretical mathematics (for want of a better phrase) should be a choice.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Good to know that I've still got it.rick_chasey said:
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At least at a 10 year old level. 😉The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
So the attitude that I'm referring to is the the turbocharged version of this, where the hypothetical poster says that not only do they not have the foggiest how to solve it, but that it never did them no harm, or that it's so hilarious how they don't get maths.rick_chasey said:
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Same here, but I doubt my working out was correct by conventional methods. I thought with a third, £12 and a half it would probably be 6x12. Which it is.pblakeney said:0 -
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But teaching maths to non-academic kids should be contextual.
Not just contextual on a piece of paper but in practical applications where it is a necessary but secondary skill.
I love maths but totally get why people hate it. If it doesn’t stick for you and the answer is to just do more and more…1 -
Ditto Latin... "What's the point, Miss?", hence my comparison.morstar said:But teaching maths to non-academic kids should be contextual.
Not just contextual on a piece of paper but in practical applications where it is a necessary but secondary skill.
I love maths but totally get why people hate it. If it doesn’t stick for you and the answer is to just do more and more…0 -
One of these video clips on social media was a builder trueing the corner of a building plot using a 3ft, 4ft and 5ft length.
Applied Pythagoras Theorem.
If you did that on a building site and then learned how it works afterwards, I guarantee it would land for at least one or two more people than only ever seeing it in a book.0 -
£72 is the total but he gave his brother £24.laurentian said:
A fail on reading comprehension. 😉The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
pblakeney said:
RTFQ! I failed too then. 0 -
Yep, even as someone who would probably be considered academic I, really struggled with pure maths, but as soon as a concept was applied (in mechanics for example), it would generally stick...morstar said:But teaching maths to non-academic kids should be contextual.
Not just contextual on a piece of paper but in practical applications where it is a necessary but secondary skill.
I love maths but totally get why people hate it. If it doesn’t stick for you and the answer is to just do more and more…
Until computational fluid dynamics at least.
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aaargh!! quite right!pblakeney said:Wilier Izoard XP0 -
UK compares well globally in PISA rankings, as of 2018 (the latest I could find).rick_chasey said:
have some vague recollection that maths abilities in general from school leavers are well below Western European rivals, let alone developed Asian. The French certainly produce a lot of very good mathsy students.pblakeney said:
Fair in that case.rick_chasey said:
I'd say so. Unless it's significantly got worse, compound interest, etc is very much part of it.pblakeney said:
Has it though? Is the question.Jezyboy said:
The level of maths required for that should have been covered before even GCSE though? I'd argue that if it hasn't gone in by 16, then what is needed is a review of teaching methods, not 2 more years of the same thingpblakeney said:
If it's about teaching practical home budget accounting then fair enough.Jezyboy said:Apparently it's time for Sunak's teach maths until 18 plan to do the media rounds again...
Theoretical mathematics (for want of a better phrase) should be a choice.
Clearly that wasn't on the syllabus for O-levels judging by the maths for 50+ year old columnists who don't understand why smaller % increases in interest rates have a bigger impact when house prices are 10x what they were.
Don't know why Rishi is pushing this then.
Nothing to back this up so could be BS.
https://www.oecd.org/pisa/PISA 2018 Insights and Interpretations FINAL PDF.pdf
I think the issue for the UK is negative progress.
There are a lot of very good French mathematicians in the FS world, to the extent that being described as being "like a French mathematician" is definitely a compliment in the (limited) circles in which I move.0 -
