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Interesting article exposing the lies about the Tory hospital building programme
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/23/doctor-tories-hospitals-boris-johnson-sajid-javid
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Josh Lewsey hit Matt Rogers so hard in a tackle that Rogers had to have his surf boards reshaped. Served in the army whilst playing for Wasps and a Lion too.
To not realise who ITB is, is frankly staggering if you were educated here.0 -
Rick's being educated here now.Dorset_Boy said:Josh Lewsey hit Matt Rogers so hard in a tackle that Rogers had to have his surf boards reshaped. Served in the army whilst playing for Wasps and a Lion too.
To not realise who ITB is, is frankly staggering if you were educated here.
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No sh1t Sherlock
Dominic Raab: With hindsight I wouldn't have gone on holiday
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Raab told BBC Breakfast the whole world was "caught unawares" by the speed of the Taliban takeover.
This is the same chap who was unaware that Dover was quite an important port and was unaware that so many goods went through there.
"I based my family on the beach… precisely so I could get back to the apartment, engage in the [emergency] Cobra meetings, engage with my emergency response team at the Foreign Office, engage in the international engagement I needed to," he added.
You what now? you based your family on the beach so you could work remotely? Why the beach? Its the same kind of logic that makes you drive to a beauty spot with our young family to test whether your eyesight is good enough to drive.0 -
I listened to that live and couldn't work out what he was trying to say. He'd have been better off saying "I went on my summer holidays with my family as many others do. At the time there was no suggestion that things would move so quickly over there and there is never a perfect time to go away when you're Foreign Secretary. I made sure I was contactable and when the issue was raised I asked my deputy to make some calls. As soon as it became apparent how serious the situation had become I travelled home to take charge in person".elbowloh said:Raab told BBC Breakfast the whole world was "caught unawares" by the speed of the Taliban takeover.
This is the same chap who was unaware that Dover was quite an important port and was unaware that so many goods went through there.
"I based my family on the beach… precisely so I could get back to the apartment, engage in the [emergency] Cobra meetings, engage with my emergency response team at the Foreign Office, engage in the international engagement I needed to," he added.
You what now? you based your family on the beach so you could work remotely? Why the beach? Its the same kind of logic that makes you drive to a beauty spot with our young family to test whether your eyesight is good enough to drive.
I have some sympathy for politicians as they always get criticised if they are on holiday when a crisis comes up but senior management in any business should be able to take a holiday and rely on their deputies.0 -
It was really bizarre. He was saying they were at the beach as if that was the obvious place for him to be in an emergency, but in the next breath seemed really annoyed at the idea that he'd gone paddle boarding.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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and yet he finds the time to win a bet on how many times he can get the word engage into a sentenceelbowloh said:Raab told BBC Breakfast the whole world was "caught unawares" by the speed of the Taliban takeover.
This is the same chap who was unaware that Dover was quite an important port and was unaware that so many goods went through there.
"I based my family on the beach… precisely so I could get back to the apartment, engage in the [emergency] Cobra meetings, engage with my emergency response team at the Foreign Office, engage in the international engagement I needed to," he added.
You what now? you based your family on the beach so you could work remotely? Why the beach? Its the same kind of logic that makes you drive to a beauty spot with our young family to test whether your eyesight is good enough to drive.0 -
Yeah, he seemed to confuse himself on that one and seemed to get half way through a comment about it before having a change of heart and changing subject.pangolin said:It was really bizarre. He was saying they were at the beach as if that was the obvious place for him to be in an emergency, but in the next breath seemed really annoyed at the idea that he'd gone paddle boarding.
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But you have to take responsibility for your deputies whether that be because they could not cope in your short absence or did not know you needed to be contactedPross said:
I listened to that live and couldn't work out what he was trying to say. He'd have been better off saying "I went on my summer holidays with my family as many others do. At the time there was no suggestion that things would move so quickly over there and there is never a perfect time to go away when you're Foreign Secretary. I made sure I was contactable and when the issue was raised I asked my deputy to make some calls. As soon as it became apparent how serious the situation had become I travelled home to take charge in person".elbowloh said:Raab told BBC Breakfast the whole world was "caught unawares" by the speed of the Taliban takeover.
This is the same chap who was unaware that Dover was quite an important port and was unaware that so many goods went through there.
"I based my family on the beach… precisely so I could get back to the apartment, engage in the [emergency] Cobra meetings, engage with my emergency response team at the Foreign Office, engage in the international engagement I needed to," he added.
You what now? you based your family on the beach so you could work remotely? Why the beach? Its the same kind of logic that makes you drive to a beauty spot with our young family to test whether your eyesight is good enough to drive.
I have some sympathy for politicians as they always get criticised if they are on holiday when a crisis comes up but senior management in any business should be able to take a holiday and rely on their deputies.0 -
True, but criticising him for being on holiday in the first place seems unreasonable. That's why I'm surprised he didn't just say "I was on my summer holiday with my family as many others are but got back to the office as soon as I could" rather than some waffle about how it chosen his holiday to be by the beach so he'd be contactable.surrey_commuter said:
But you have to take responsibility for your deputies whether that be because they could not cope in your short absence or did not know you needed to be contactedPross said:
I listened to that live and couldn't work out what he was trying to say. He'd have been better off saying "I went on my summer holidays with my family as many others do. At the time there was no suggestion that things would move so quickly over there and there is never a perfect time to go away when you're Foreign Secretary. I made sure I was contactable and when the issue was raised I asked my deputy to make some calls. As soon as it became apparent how serious the situation had become I travelled home to take charge in person".elbowloh said:Raab told BBC Breakfast the whole world was "caught unawares" by the speed of the Taliban takeover.
This is the same chap who was unaware that Dover was quite an important port and was unaware that so many goods went through there.
"I based my family on the beach… precisely so I could get back to the apartment, engage in the [emergency] Cobra meetings, engage with my emergency response team at the Foreign Office, engage in the international engagement I needed to," he added.
You what now? you based your family on the beach so you could work remotely? Why the beach? Its the same kind of logic that makes you drive to a beauty spot with our young family to test whether your eyesight is good enough to drive.
I have some sympathy for politicians as they always get criticised if they are on holiday when a crisis comes up but senior management in any business should be able to take a holiday and rely on their deputies.0 -
Because we already know he was asked to return on the Friday but found time to ask Johnson to let him stay away a few more days.Pross said:
True, but criticising him for being on holiday in the first place seems unreasonable. That's why I'm surprised he didn't just say "I was on my summer holiday with my family as many others are but got back to the office as soon as I could" rather than some waffle about how it chosen his holiday to be by the beach so he'd be contactable.surrey_commuter said:
But you have to take responsibility for your deputies whether that be because they could not cope in your short absence or did not know you needed to be contactedPross said:
I listened to that live and couldn't work out what he was trying to say. He'd have been better off saying "I went on my summer holidays with my family as many others do. At the time there was no suggestion that things would move so quickly over there and there is never a perfect time to go away when you're Foreign Secretary. I made sure I was contactable and when the issue was raised I asked my deputy to make some calls. As soon as it became apparent how serious the situation had become I travelled home to take charge in person".elbowloh said:Raab told BBC Breakfast the whole world was "caught unawares" by the speed of the Taliban takeover.
This is the same chap who was unaware that Dover was quite an important port and was unaware that so many goods went through there.
"I based my family on the beach… precisely so I could get back to the apartment, engage in the [emergency] Cobra meetings, engage with my emergency response team at the Foreign Office, engage in the international engagement I needed to," he added.
You what now? you based your family on the beach so you could work remotely? Why the beach? Its the same kind of logic that makes you drive to a beauty spot with our young family to test whether your eyesight is good enough to drive.
I have some sympathy for politicians as they always get criticised if they are on holiday when a crisis comes up but senior management in any business should be able to take a holiday and rely on their deputies.0 -
Pross said:
True, but criticising him for being on holiday in the first place seems unreasonable. That's why I'm surprised he didn't just say "I was on my summer holiday with my family as many others are but got back to the office as soon as I could" rather than some waffle about how it chosen his holiday to be by the beach so he'd be contactable.surrey_commuter said:
But you have to take responsibility for your deputies whether that be because they could not cope in your short absence or did not know you needed to be contactedPross said:
I listened to that live and couldn't work out what he was trying to say. He'd have been better off saying "I went on my summer holidays with my family as many others do. At the time there was no suggestion that things would move so quickly over there and there is never a perfect time to go away when you're Foreign Secretary. I made sure I was contactable and when the issue was raised I asked my deputy to make some calls. As soon as it became apparent how serious the situation had become I travelled home to take charge in person".elbowloh said:Raab told BBC Breakfast the whole world was "caught unawares" by the speed of the Taliban takeover.
This is the same chap who was unaware that Dover was quite an important port and was unaware that so many goods went through there.
"I based my family on the beach… precisely so I could get back to the apartment, engage in the [emergency] Cobra meetings, engage with my emergency response team at the Foreign Office, engage in the international engagement I needed to," he added.
You what now? you based your family on the beach so you could work remotely? Why the beach? Its the same kind of logic that makes you drive to a beauty spot with our young family to test whether your eyesight is good enough to drive.
I have some sympathy for politicians as they always get criticised if they are on holiday when a crisis comes up but senior management in any business should be able to take a holiday and rely on their deputies.
It just sounds like a pathetic attempt to make up as many excuses as he can, rather than just take responsibility for his choices. It does sound like he doesn't realise he has quite an important job that limits his choices. I'll always come back to Lord Carrington's resignation as an example of what responsibility should mean.0 -
The issue isn’t that he was on holiday. The issue was he knew the problem but insisted on staying on holiday for longer and refused to do any work in the meantime.
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I'm no defender of Raab
But there's no way I'd be quitting any job for being on/staying on a holiday the boss has approved.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
It’s not really a normal job he’s foreign secretary.tailwindhome said:I'm no defender of Raab
But there's no way I'd be quitting any job for being on/staying on a holiday the boss has approved.
With great power comes great responsibility, literally.0 -
tailwindhome said:
I'm no defender of Raab
But there's no way I'd be quitting any job for being on/staying on a holiday the boss has approved.
Even if it's not written in a contract, if a senior secretary of state doesn't understand that a SHTF event (ordure-ventilation mishap) requires a return from a family holiday, then I can't think of any better reason for not trusting their judgement in anything at all.0 -
Raaby boi is also First Secretary of State i.e. deputy PM. Remember last year when Spaffer was in ITU? Raaby boi was acting PM.
This is one fuxxed country.
Even Max Rushden has f-ed off to Oz.0 -
Raab is simple/naive. He's telling the truth and in detail (the beach business, even if illogical) because he thinks that is a reasonable counter-argument for those who think he should have acted differently, for him it is not an excuse; an excuse recognises a degree of liability.0
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rick_chasey said:
I think people generally over-estimate how 'big' things were when they were young, because one is impressionable then.Pross said:
I don't think you have to intend to watch cricket to have seen clips of 'Botham's' Ashes.rick_chasey said:
If you don’t watch any cricket or rugby at all, how would you know?Pross said:You really do seem to have a very narrow spectrum of knowledge. Botham's biggest claim to fame was Shredded Wheat adverts. Josh Lewsey only retired 10 years ago.
Cancellara could walk into my office tomorrow and only two of us would even notice and I only I would give a sh!t
It's like me not knowing who Pele is because I have little interest in football and he played before I was born. For a history graduate you seem to have very little interest in the world before your time.
Hand-on-heart, I couldn't tell you if Botham is better known as a bowler or a batter, and I've not seen any clips of his.
Back to Botham.Pross said:
But everyone in England was such a massive rugby supporter for a few weeks in 2003!kingstongraham said:
He's no Ian Botham. I think a majority of people would not have heard of Josh Lewsey.Pross said:
As for Josh Lewsey, I'm pretty sure even you are old enough to remember England winning the Rugby World Cup and he played internationally for another 5 or 6 years after than.
Like RC, I think I could say “Hand-on-heart, I couldn't tell you if Botham is better known as a bowler or a batter, and I've not seen any clips of his“ And I'm a few years older the RC.
I've only heard of him but have no idea of his charity work or his shredded wheat adverts, nevermind his cricket play or ability - although I have to admit, if he was some years ago (someone suggested a comparison with Merckx), for a long time I had no TV, didn't bother with radio except for a phase of listening to classical music, and hardly ever bought a newspaper. I had other means to follow cycling and football.
I similarly know nothing about Flintoff, just the name.
I have heard an ex-cricketer on the radio express some political views which were very different from mine, so seeing Botham is now working for Bojo, I'm guessing it might have been him.
I also have never heard of Lewsey and take no notice of, so never know, who wins at rugby or cricket, even in major tournaments (didn't know England ever won a Rugby World Cup).
I was never interested in either when young, even though I was 'forced' to play for the school as a spin bowler (rugby at school only got me broken ribs), so as soon as I left school that was that for both sports.
It's quite interesting how much one can easily block out, avoid knowing about, if uninterested (many here with wives might already know how well some women can do that regarding sport).0 -
I'm not saying I'd have stayed on holidayrick_chasey said:
It’s not really a normal job he’s foreign secretary.tailwindhome said:I'm no defender of Raab
But there's no way I'd be quitting any job for being on/staying on a holiday the boss has approved.
With great power comes great responsibility, literally.
I'm saying if I'd my boss's approval to do so there's no way I'd quit and I'd know he couldn't sack me
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Yes he could if you were the foreign secretary.tailwindhome said:
I'm not saying I'd have stayed on holidayrick_chasey said:
It’s not really a normal job he’s foreign secretary.tailwindhome said:I'm no defender of Raab
But there's no way I'd be quitting any job for being on/staying on a holiday the boss has approved.
With great power comes great responsibility, literally.
I'm saying if I'd my boss's approval to do so there's no way I'd quit and I'd know he couldn't sack me0 -
Well, he can, but not without leaving his own judgement to permit the continued holiday exposedkingstongraham said:
Yes he could if you were the foreign secretary.tailwindhome said:
I'm not saying I'd have stayed on holidayrick_chasey said:
It’s not really a normal job he’s foreign secretary.tailwindhome said:I'm no defender of Raab
But there's no way I'd be quitting any job for being on/staying on a holiday the boss has approved.
With great power comes great responsibility, literally.
I'm saying if I'd my boss's approval to do so there's no way I'd quit and I'd know he couldn't sack me“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Who made the call that British staff should spend any time and effort getting stray dogs out of Afghanistan?0
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Boris is renowned for being incompetent, lazy, corrupt and a liar but not for being a hypocrite so I think Raab is safe.kingstongraham said:
Yes he could if you were the foreign secretary.tailwindhome said:
I'm not saying I'd have stayed on holidayrick_chasey said:
It’s not really a normal job he’s foreign secretary.tailwindhome said:I'm no defender of Raab
But there's no way I'd be quitting any job for being on/staying on a holiday the boss has approved.
With great power comes great responsibility, literally.
I'm saying if I'd my boss's approval to do so there's no way I'd quit and I'd know he couldn't sack me0 -
surrey_commuter said:
Boris is renowned for being incompetent, lazy, corrupt and a liar but not for being a hypocrite so I think Raab is safe.kingstongraham said:
Yes he could if you were the foreign secretary.tailwindhome said:
I'm not saying I'd have stayed on holidayrick_chasey said:
It’s not really a normal job he’s foreign secretary.tailwindhome said:I'm no defender of Raab
But there's no way I'd be quitting any job for being on/staying on a holiday the boss has approved.
With great power comes great responsibility, literally.
I'm saying if I'd my boss's approval to do so there's no way I'd quit and I'd know he couldn't sack me
I wonder if Johnson prefers to surround himself with people who are not only not very competent, but also without a sense of principle, to make himself look not so awful.1 -
I alluded to the same question recently.briantrumpet said:surrey_commuter said:
Boris is renowned for being incompetent, lazy, corrupt and a liar but not for being a hypocrite so I think Raab is safe.kingstongraham said:
Yes he could if you were the foreign secretary.tailwindhome said:
I'm not saying I'd have stayed on holidayrick_chasey said:
It’s not really a normal job he’s foreign secretary.tailwindhome said:I'm no defender of Raab
But there's no way I'd be quitting any job for being on/staying on a holiday the boss has approved.
With great power comes great responsibility, literally.
I'm saying if I'd my boss's approval to do so there's no way I'd quit and I'd know he couldn't sack me
I wonder if Johnson prefers to surround himself with people who are not only not very competent, but also without a sense of principle, to make himself look not so awful.
I think broadly the same although I think it’s more that he’s a weak leader who doesn’t want to be challenged by capable people.0 -
Just had an interesting thought.
Both our female prime ministers have been bought down by internal party coups.
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BJ is like a bride at a wedding.morstar said:
I alluded to the same question recently.briantrumpet said:surrey_commuter said:
Boris is renowned for being incompetent, lazy, corrupt and a liar but not for being a hypocrite so I think Raab is safe.kingstongraham said:
Yes he could if you were the foreign secretary.tailwindhome said:
I'm not saying I'd have stayed on holidayrick_chasey said:
It’s not really a normal job he’s foreign secretary.tailwindhome said:I'm no defender of Raab
But there's no way I'd be quitting any job for being on/staying on a holiday the boss has approved.
With great power comes great responsibility, literally.
I'm saying if I'd my boss's approval to do so there's no way I'd quit and I'd know he couldn't sack me
I wonder if Johnson prefers to surround himself with people who are not only not very competent, but also without a sense of principle, to make himself look not so awful.
I think broadly the same although I think it’s more that he’s a weak leader who doesn’t want to be challenged by capable people.
Goes out of his way to ensure he can't be upstaged by the bridesmaids.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.1 -
He also limited himself to hiring Brexit supporters, as such there is no obvious talent that he has not picked.morstar said:
I alluded to the same question recently.briantrumpet said:surrey_commuter said:
Boris is renowned for being incompetent, lazy, corrupt and a liar but not for being a hypocrite so I think Raab is safe.kingstongraham said:
Yes he could if you were the foreign secretary.tailwindhome said:
I'm not saying I'd have stayed on holidayrick_chasey said:
It’s not really a normal job he’s foreign secretary.tailwindhome said:I'm no defender of Raab
But there's no way I'd be quitting any job for being on/staying on a holiday the boss has approved.
With great power comes great responsibility, literally.
I'm saying if I'd my boss's approval to do so there's no way I'd quit and I'd know he couldn't sack me
I wonder if Johnson prefers to surround himself with people who are not only not very competent, but also without a sense of principle, to make himself look not so awful.
I think broadly the same although I think it’s more that he’s a weak leader who doesn’t want to be challenged by capable people.0
