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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,474
    Conservative 45% (+1)


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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,933
    Pross said:

    I find it a bit dispiriting watching Newswatch on BBC Breakfast and seeing people complaining that the BBC keep talking about the number 10 refurbishment, the alleged 'let bodies pile up' and Dyson. When people don't think it's worth bothering chasing these stories it's a bit concerning. That said, the criticism of Keunssberg using the Coronavirus briefing to ask questions about the refurbishment feel justified


    That's the party line (The Telegraph is full of it this morning): attack Cummings as being bitter and an unreliable witness, and say that nobody cares that the prime minister is proven liar and soliciting bribes. It's pure Trumpism.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,898
    Latest polling suggests otherwise 🍿
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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867

    Pross said:

    I find it a bit dispiriting watching Newswatch on BBC Breakfast and seeing people complaining that the BBC keep talking about the number 10 refurbishment, the alleged 'let bodies pile up' and Dyson. When people don't think it's worth bothering chasing these stories it's a bit concerning. That said, the criticism of Keunssberg using the Coronavirus briefing to ask questions about the refurbishment feel justified


    That's the party line (The Telegraph is full of it this morning): attack Cummings as being bitter and an unreliable witness, and say that nobody cares that the prime minister is proven liar and soliciting bribes. It's pure Trumpism.
    Times and Mail have abandoned ship
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660


    Who agrees to publish this absolute dross?
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,933



    Who agrees to publish this absolute dross?

    Maybe this is the Johnson equivalent messaging to Trump's 'not taking the presidential salary' whilst simultaneously bleeding every coffer dry that he could.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,965

    Conservative 45% (+1)


    Maybe they're still the best of the available options for a lot of people?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,295
    It seems like he's used to spending more than he has, then knocking off a column to cover it in an afternoon or letting someone else sort it out.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,898
    Stevo_666 said:

    Conservative 45% (+1)


    Maybe they're still the best of the available options for a lot of people?
    What a difference a few days make 🙂
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,601



    Who agrees to publish this absolute dross?
    Diddums. Pet peeve is that the rest of the population outside MPs cannot claim legitimate expenses past 24 months, far less find loopholes.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    He had to pay for his own heating, electricity and council tax.

    Wo is him.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,685
    Is that Council Tax the going rate for a property of that value in Westminster? It's not much more than I pay for a 3 bed semi. Seems good value!
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,295
    Pross said:

    Is that Council Tax the going rate for a property of that value in Westminster? It's not much more than I pay for a 3 bed semi. Seems good value!

    It's the top rate. About half what it is here.

    I think every property in Westminster is in the top band though.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,601
    Pross said:

    Is that Council Tax the going rate for a property of that value in Westminster? It's not much more than I pay for a 3 bed semi. Seems good value!

    I seem to recall that council tax in Westminster is surprisingly low.
    Which in itself doesn't really surprise me.
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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,933
    pblakeney said:

    Pross said:

    Is that Council Tax the going rate for a property of that value in Westminster? It's not much more than I pay for a 3 bed semi. Seems good value!

    I seem to recall that council tax in Westminster is surprisingly low.
    Which in itself doesn't really surprise me.

    Doesn't that go right back to Thatcher's days and Shirley Porter making it out as the epitome of what a Conservative council is all about?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    So the context is BoJo is reported to have said he needs a minimum of £300k a year to “keep his head above water”
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,601
    Not surprising coming from someone who considers 250k to be chicken feed.
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  • elbowloh
    elbowloh Posts: 7,078
    Boris got about £25k in book royalties last year. Carrie is also on £70k per year, so he shouldn't have to cover her expenses

    Boris also owns 2 £1m houses, albeit one with a mortgage of over £1m.

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  • john80
    john80 Posts: 2,965
    All this Boris hating makes me laugh. We pay around 200k for low skilled council leaders that can't arrange a bin collection yet charge me 2k a year for the privilege. So when a PM thinks he should be living off 300k you think he is dillusional.
  • elbowloh
    elbowloh Posts: 7,078
    john80 said:

    All this Boris hating makes me laugh. We pay around 200k for low skilled council leaders that can't arrange a bin collection yet charge me 2k a year for the privilege. So when a PM thinks he should be living off 300k you think he is dillusional.

    That's not what we're saying. We're saying he knew what he was signing up for, he's going to be riding the gravy train once he leaves office and if you "only" earn £150k you don't spend £200k on decorating and furniture and you can probably manage with the £30k per annum allowance for this.
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,740
    Tory donors approached to pay for Boris Johnson’s nanny and personal trainer, reports say

    ‘I resent being asked to pay to literally wipe the prime minister’s baby’s bottom’ a supporter allegedly responded

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-nanny-flat-loan-b1840805.html

    Someone like Starmer needs to be pushing on what exactly this 'donor' is getting in return for paying 'a friend of a friend's' salary. Further, why does Johnson think it's so normal to get money from other people to cover his own decisions?

    You can't argue that they're paying to make benefit the Tory Party if it's going into the bank account of a lucky 24yr old hot girl (who probably votes green)
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,898
    Word on ConservativeHome is that donors are not impressed that their money is being used by CCHQ for the PM's decorating rather than, say, funding a credible campaign for London mayor, especially with the polls swinging away from them.
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,965
    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Conservative 45% (+1)


    Maybe they're still the best of the available options for a lot of people?
    What a difference a few days make 🙂
    To who?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,898
    edited May 2021
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    edited May 2021
    john80 said:

    All this Boris hating makes me laugh. We pay around 200k for low skilled council leaders that can't arrange a bin collection yet charge me 2k a year for the privilege. So when a PM thinks he should be living off 300k you think he is dillusional.

    There’s a good argument to pay your politicians more and I’ve made that argument on here.

    He knew the pay of the role so why is this news to him and what does it say about him that he’s pleading poverty on six figures and a free flat?

    They’re separate arguments
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,965
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,933
    I reckon this is as good an admission of it being true as any...


  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,295
    john80 said:

    All this Boris hating makes me laugh. We pay around 200k for low skilled council leaders that can't arrange a bin collection yet charge me 2k a year for the privilege. So when a PM thinks he should be living off 300k you think he is dillusional.

    He should have done that job then maybe.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    So an interesting local political dynamic here where I live.

    The local railway bridge separates two parts of the high street.

    It was recently shut to cars as part of the national gov’t drive to reduce traffic in neighbourhoods. The same one that put all those flower pots down in London which annoyed car drivers.

    This has created the predictable local politics flashpoint.

    However we have local elections on Thursday and the local Tory is campaigning mainly on re-opening the bridge, and the local labour and Lib Dem’s are saying they will keep it.

    Seems odd to me the local Tory is trying to launch a campaign to reverse the Tory national policy.

    As ever it’s about where you stand in the culture wars (the bridge closure has become a proxy argument about gentrification, with the old working class residents railing against their old manky shops being replaced with coffee shops and bike shops and the middle class cyclist lobby) and not about actual policy.
  • elbowloh
    elbowloh Posts: 7,078
    Are the 2 ends of the high street as nice as each other or is there a naff end?
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