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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Worth noting that Greensill Capital, now insolvent, is being investigated for various types of fraud.

    Anything Cameron touches is nasty sh!t.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,331
    Smart move would be to throw Cameron to the wolves and feign shock (assuming Sunak hasn't got his hands dirty).
  • Jezyboy
    Jezyboy Posts: 3,683
    Sure but have you heard about Len Mcklusky!

  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,331
    Jezyboy said:

    Sure but have you heard about Len Mcklusky!

    I know of one person who is very interested when Labour MPs ask for an investigation into overspending and possible impropriety.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660

    Smart move would be to throw Cameron to the wolves and feign shock (assuming Sunak hasn't got his hands dirty).

    Apparently the Treasury / Sunak are under 900 FoI requests, so Sunak's release of his personal texts (which don't fall under the remit of FoI requests as they're personal) is less voluntary than is being made out (according to the FT who uncovered most of things - though since then the Sunday Times has picked up the baton too)
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 21,153
    Jezyboy said:

    Sure but have you heard about Len Mcklusky!


    There you go, standing up for Cameron.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867

    Worth noting that Greensill Capital, now insolvent, is being investigated for various types of fraud.

    Anything Cameron touches is nasty sh!t.

    Throw in Gupta and then you pull Sturgeon into the mix.

    Steelworkers can sleep easy as Boris has issued one of his promises to save them.
  • pinkbikini
    pinkbikini Posts: 876

    So Williamson, having spent time on trying to cancel non-existent ‘cancel culture’ in universities (during a pandemic with massive consequences for education) is now diverting his energies to reforming behaviour in schools because kids have forgotten how to behave during lockdown. Yes, this is clearly the key issue that needs addressing at the moment.

    Extraordinary dog-whistle politics for Telegraph readers. He’s clearly not worried about his complete failure in his current role, with no guidance (still) on university tuition and no clear plan for A-level assessments, on top of his abject failures from last year to co-ordinate school openings, allocate grades effectively or take any responsibility for school pressures during a crisis.

    This man clearly can’t focus on major issues and is out of his depth.

    How is he still in his second major govt position for which he has no qualification and no aptitude? Forget your Unite members and shadow chancellors. Here’s your corrupt politician and key muppet.

    To quote a member of his own party, a “venomous, self-seeking little censored ”.

    Any self-respecting party would have kicked him over the back benches years ago.

    So, open question - if you voted Conservative, what do you think of Williamson’s performance?

    And whichever way you voted, if you have kids at Uni, what do you think of Williamson’s performance?

    And if, like me, you think he’s a mendacious little shit, what do you think you might do about it?

    Short of writing to your local Cons MP there aren’t many choices are there?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56675225

    has been discussed at length here, with our resident account insisting that tax competition to drive tax rates down was beneficial for everyone.

    Anyway, here's the Biden administration lobbying hard to get a global minimum corporate tax rate for profits.

    Who has a view?
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56675225

    has been discussed at length here, with our resident account insisting that tax competition to drive tax rates down was beneficial for everyone.

    Anyway, here's the Biden administration lobbying hard to get a global minimum corporate tax rate for profits.

    Who has a view?


    Biden’s idea is great on paper but totally unachievable.

    As a rule I am all for low rate, broad base taxation
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,331
    Have just seen Shane Bailey's latest video for his London mayor bid.

    It's all about how expensive it will be for people who live outside London to drive into central London. It's a bold move to actively target the "don't live in London" voter?
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,322
    Who wants to drive into central London? Unless one is a Vtech-alike poseur?
  • elbowloh
    elbowloh Posts: 7,078
    orraloon said:

    Who wants to drive into central London? Unless one is a Vtech-alike poseur?

    orraloon said:

    Who wants to drive into central London? Unless one is a Vtech-alike poseur?

    Me, when I had a company car, fuel card and congestion charge paid. I was already paying the tax for that so didn't have to pay more to pay extra for the commute, whereas a season ticket for train and tube would have been an extra £250 per month.
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    Felt Z6 2012
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  • elbowloh
    elbowloh Posts: 7,078
    elbowloh said:

    orraloon said:

    Who wants to drive into central London? Unless one is a Vtech-alike poseur?

    orraloon said:

    Who wants to drive into central London? Unless one is a Vtech-alike poseur?

    Me, when I had a company car, fuel card and congestion charge paid. I was already paying the tax for that so didn't have to pay more to pay extra for the commute, whereas a season ticket for train and tube would have been an extra £250 per month.
    Actually I didn't have to pay congestion as it emissions were below the threshold. Hybrid innit.
    Felt F1 2014
    Felt Z6 2012
    Red Arthur Caygill steel frame
    Tall....
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    I am hoping there is more to this story, because it looks appalling.

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/apr/14/ministers-veto-reappointment-of-two-women-to-channel-4-board

    The decision not to renew the boardroom positions of Uzma Hasan and Fru Hazlitt at the state-owned but privately funded broadcaster was made against the advice of both the Channel 4 board and the media regulator, Ofcom.


    However, ministers have instead decided to seek new candidates, as part of a wider push that has led to the appointment of Conservative allies to leading media roles.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    as this doubles up as the corruption thread I will reiterate my belief that Greensill has far reaching implications.

    Turns out that senior civil servants in charge of budgets of tens of billions have been taking 2nd jobs in the private sector including with Greensill.

    Many believe that Boris in his rush to throw his arch enemy Dave under the bus has not thought this through (surely not) and that he risks opening a padoras box of Govt sleaze
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660

    as this doubles up as the corruption thread I will reiterate my belief that Greensill has far reaching implications.

    Turns out that senior civil servants in charge of budgets of tens of billions have been taking 2nd jobs in the private sector including with Greensill.

    Many believe that Boris in his rush to throw his arch enemy Dave under the bus has not thought this through (surely not) and that he risks opening a padoras box of Govt sleaze

    It's gonna come out whichever way, so he might as well steer the heat as best he can to his predecessors who he campaigned to be different to anyway.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,331
    This is Boris "no interest to declare" Johnson?

  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    I suspect it won't amount to much SC. Maybe 30 years ago it would have but now the bar is much higher as it needs to get cut through with the public and I think they broadly expect this of politicians anyway.

    The italification of British politics continues.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Pickles claims most people do obey the rules, as he says it is only a “tiny minority” who cause problems.

    “There’s perhaps a danger that we spend an enormous sum of money in trying to slay a paper tiger or a paper dragon,” he says.

    “Most people obey the law, most people obey the rules, most people just get on with it, and it’s only a tiny minority who cause a problem. I think you need to build a robust system that doesn’t involve putting other great layers of bureaucracy on the top without any material gain.”


    This line of defence annoys me so much.

    This almost always the case with corruption, but a small minority can cause a f*ck load of problems.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867

    I suspect it won't amount to much SC. Maybe 30 years ago it would have but now the bar is much higher as it needs to get cut through with the public and I think they broadly expect this of politicians anyway.

    The italification of British politics continues.

    this time you have a direct link to normal people with proper jobs and a lot more sh1t to come out in Scotland.

    I think most people can grasp the simple fact that a civil servant on £150k pa in charge of £40bn should not also be working part time for anybody else and especially not Greensill.

    The Govt paying Greensill to pay NHS suppliers on time is so mad that people will think they don't understand it.

    Boris probably thinks it will distract from that weird looking American but that will be the sex element that give the story some spice.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660

    I suspect it won't amount to much SC. Maybe 30 years ago it would have but now the bar is much higher as it needs to get cut through with the public and I think they broadly expect this of politicians anyway.

    The italification of British politics continues.

    this time you have a direct link to normal people with proper jobs and a lot more censored to come out in Scotland.

    I think most people can grasp the simple fact that a civil servant on £150k pa in charge of £40bn should not also be working part time for anybody else and especially not Greensill.

    The Govt paying Greensill to pay NHS suppliers on time is so mad that people will think they don't understand it.

    Boris probably thinks it will distract from that weird looking American but that will be the sex element that give the story some spice.
    I use my inlaws as a litmus test and their response was "well of course, they're all bent".

    It's already baked into expectations.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867

    I suspect it won't amount to much SC. Maybe 30 years ago it would have but now the bar is much higher as it needs to get cut through with the public and I think they broadly expect this of politicians anyway.

    The italification of British politics continues.

    this time you have a direct link to normal people with proper jobs and a lot more censored to come out in Scotland.

    I think most people can grasp the simple fact that a civil servant on £150k pa in charge of £40bn should not also be working part time for anybody else and especially not Greensill.

    The Govt paying Greensill to pay NHS suppliers on time is so mad that people will think they don't understand it.

    Boris probably thinks it will distract from that weird looking American but that will be the sex element that give the story some spice.
    I use my inlaws as a litmus test and their response was "well of course, they're all bent".

    It's already baked into expectations.
    fiar point but we are in the foothills of this scandal and the cavernous rifts in the Tory party will not help
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    A rift in the tory party? where have i heard that before?
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,070
    elbowloh said:

    orraloon said:

    Who wants to drive into central London? Unless one is a Vtech-alike poseur?

    orraloon said:

    Who wants to drive into central London? Unless one is a Vtech-alike poseur?

    Me, when I had a company car, fuel card and congestion charge paid. I was already paying the tax for that so didn't have to pay more to pay extra for the commute, whereas a season ticket for train and tube would have been an extra £250 per month.
    I drove in today, just for a change. Company has a few spaces in the underground car park for the building. But a bit of a one off as they don't make it easy for drivers these days. Easy enough to avoid the congestion charge though by taking a little detour round the Western edge of the zone (our office is just outside). And my car doesn't get the ULEZ charge as its ULEZ compliant, so when Sadiq extends the zone to the North and South Circulars it won't make any difference :)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,070

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56675225

    has been discussed at length here, with our resident account insisting that tax competition to drive tax rates down was beneficial for everyone.

    Anyway, here's the Biden administration lobbying hard to get a global minimum corporate tax rate for profits.

    Who has a view?

    Not new - its part of an on-going OECD initiative.
    https://home.kpmg/uk/en/home/insights/2020/10/the-oecd-pillar-1-and-2-blueprints-on-a-page.html

    Biden clearly has a vested interest in this as he is looking to put US rates back up. Doesn't mean that tax competition will go away though as (a) there will still be competition above any threshold set and (b) there is much more to tax competition than just CT rates. As any tax professional will tell you.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867

    A rift in the tory party? where have i heard that before?

    I meant the existing rifts on Brexit and Covid will stop them closing ranks
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660

    A rift in the tory party? where have i heard that before?

    I meant the existing rifts on Brexit and Covid will stop them closing ranks
    Disagree.
  • Jezyboy
    Jezyboy Posts: 3,683

    A rift in the tory party? where have i heard that before?

    I meant the existing rifts on Brexit and Covid will stop them closing ranks
    Haven't they healed the rift on brexit by chucking the remainers?

    I don't see the sleeze changes doing any damage. Johnson was elected despite his complete lack of moral fibre being a matter of public record. The people of Witham simply don't care that they are repented by someone who has no regard for the ministerial code.

  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    As per the Brexit advice you gave me SC, look at how the Tory supporters on this forum react to the realistic charges of stone cold corruption in the Tory party.

    No sh!ts given.