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So,the government have settled the Patel bullying case with Philip Putnam for £340k plus legal costs.
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I doubt it. Boris doesn't have the staying power to stick around for much longer. He'll go down as simply a flamboyant one election leader, but ultimately forgettable.surrey_commuter said:
+1elbowloh said:
Sorry, but that's nonsense.rick_chasey said:
Now you’re beginning to understand when I say democracy may not survive another poor /elbowloh said:TBF, Labour has been fecking pretty much on radio silence for months and the Libs are pretty much non-existent.
We don't have an opposition right now and haven't had for bloody years.
non-recovery from an economic downturn
Currently Boris has found that the hard core Tory vote would vote for Ed Miliband’s manifesto if he wore a blue rosette.
At some point they will come to hate him more than JC in the way that Labour members hate Blair
It always strikes me as strange that the thing that Blair really got wrong was Iraq, yet that's the last thing many of his Labour detractors complain about.0 -
So when I was writing old skool “causes of the rise of nazi’s” etc, #1 cause was economic hardship.
You wonder why we have a populist government populated by idiots? Because we’ve had 10 years of austerity.
Shortfall or Dorset will tell you - Brexit was all about the left-behind, towns which don’t see the “benefit of globalisation” ie their local economy tanked. A “cry for help”. Sticking it to the establishment.
Now we’re following up 10 years of austerity not with projects to get the economy growing but the lowest social security support in real terms since the ‘90s and big ol’ tax hikes.
To do what exactly?
You are ignoring or are ignorant of the political consequences of poor economic performance.
The workers in Russia weren’t waging a violent bloody brutal war against the establishment because their prospects looked rosey.
The gammons wouldn’t care if a Syrian refugee got a job in London if they were busy buying a fancier car.
The economic situation frames the political one. Every one is trying to improve their lot. If there is no growth, you can only inprovd the size of your slice of the pie by taking part of someone else’s.
If the whole pie grows, and your piece is growing, you don’t care so much.0 -
No, I just don't believe it would lead to the death of democracy in this case. The economic situation in Germany and Russia were in a completely different league.rick_chasey said:So when I was writing old skool “causes of the rise of nazi’s” etc, #1 cause was economic hardship.
You wonder why we have a populist government populated by idiots? Because we’ve had 10 years of austerity.
Shortfall or Dorset will tell you - Brexit was all about the left-behind, towns which don’t see the “benefit of globalisation” ie their local economy tanked. A “cry for help”. Sticking it to the establishment.
Now we’re following up 10 years of austerity not with projects to get the economy growing but the lowest social security support in real terms since the ‘90s and big ol’ tax hikes.
To do what exactly?
You are ignoring or are ignorant of the political consequences of poor economic performance.
The workers in Russia weren’t waging a violent bloody brutal war against the establishment because their prospects looked rosey.
The gammons wouldn’t care if a Syrian refugee got a job in London if they were busy buying a fancier car.
The economic situation frames the political one. Every one is trying to improve their lot. If there is no growth, you can only inprovd the size of your slice of the pie by taking part of someone else’s.
If the whole pie grows, and your piece is growing, you don’t care so much.
I actually read quite a lot of history books, in particular books about WW2 and the rise of the Nazis.0 -
Have just started reading Ruling the Void by Peter Mair regarding the problems democracy is facing.0
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Sturgeon managed to spunk 500k on Salmond for a doomed legal case so it seems this is the new norm. Maybe in this alternate universe it will be seen as a victory as they could have lost more.elbowloh said:So,the government have settled the Patel bullying case with Philip Putnam for £340k plus legal costs.
Well done...0 -
Sure but you get the point.elbowloh said:
No, I just don't believe it would lead to the death of democracy in this case. The economic situation in Germany and Russia were in a completely different league.rick_chasey said:So when I was writing old skool “causes of the rise of nazi’s” etc, #1 cause was economic hardship.
You wonder why we have a populist government populated by idiots? Because we’ve had 10 years of austerity.
Shortfall or Dorset will tell you - Brexit was all about the left-behind, towns which don’t see the “benefit of globalisation” ie their local economy tanked. A “cry for help”. Sticking it to the establishment.
Now we’re following up 10 years of austerity not with projects to get the economy growing but the lowest social security support in real terms since the ‘90s and big ol’ tax hikes.
To do what exactly?
You are ignoring or are ignorant of the political consequences of poor economic performance.
The workers in Russia weren’t waging a violent bloody brutal war against the establishment because their prospects looked rosey.
The gammons wouldn’t care if a Syrian refugee got a job in London if they were busy buying a fancier car.
The economic situation frames the political one. Every one is trying to improve their lot. If there is no growth, you can only inprovd the size of your slice of the pie by taking part of someone else’s.
If the whole pie grows, and your piece is growing, you don’t care so much.
I actually read quite a lot of history books, in particular books about WW2 and the rise of the Nazis.
The quality of governance is not going up, is it0 -
Nothing says you did nothing wrong like forking out the cost of a house to your accuser.john80 said:
Sturgeon managed to censored 500k on Salmond for a doomed legal case so it seems this is the new norm. Maybe in this alternate universe it will be seen as a victory as they could have lost more.elbowloh said:So,the government have settled the Patel bullying case with Philip Putnam for £340k plus legal costs.
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The highlight of that thread - "Rishi Sunak is an anagram of hi risk anus" 🤣🤣🤣rick_chasey said:The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Isn't that just proving all Governments are guilty of being over-optimistic?rick_chasey said:0 -
That's a side issue. The main issue is the appalling economic performance.Pross said:
Isn't that just proving all Governments are guilty of being over-optimistic?rick_chasey said:0 -
hardly a side forecast when his borrowing projections are based upon it.rick_chasey said:
That's a side issue. The main issue is the appalling economic performance.Pross said:
Isn't that just proving all Governments are guilty of being over-optimistic?rick_chasey said:
I refuse to listen about any Govt tinkering when they will not even discuss the economic harm of not joining the EEA. If they gave a sh1t then this would be a no-brainer and as such all the rest (free ports etc) is just window dressing.0 -
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Just saw one of the proposals for my town.
Spending lots of money moving the library approximately 500m from a purpose built reasonably modern building (with great pedestrian access and good parking) to a victorian market Hall (with less parking).
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I am sure I read somewhere that instead of saving jobs they spent money on welfare payments, so the graph is showing reality whereas the UK has much hidden unemployment.rick_chasey said:
Time will tell which was the best approach0 -
Initial figures suggest that overall the US approach worked much better for the headline numbers.surrey_commuter said:
I am sure I read somewhere that instead of saving jobs they spent money on welfare payments, so the graph is showing reality whereas the UK has much hidden unemployment.rick_chasey said:
Time will tell which was the best approach0 -
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How can we rejoin the Gold Standard when it no longer exists?rick_chasey said:0 -
Campaign starts here to peg the pound to the value of a Bitcoin.0
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Well we don't have any monetary policy left so it's all about fiscal and that above is what happens when you are tight fiscally.surrey_commuter said:
How can we rejoin the Gold Standard when it no longer exists?rick_chasey said:0 -
If borrowing hundreds of billions a year for the forseeable future counts as tight then what level of borrowing would you count as loose?rick_chasey said:
Well we don't have any monetary policy left so it's all about fiscal and that above is what happens when you are tight fiscally.surrey_commuter said:
How can we rejoin the Gold Standard when it no longer exists?rick_chasey said:
Which year do you think the deficit will drop below £100bn? or do you think it will be before the end of this Parliament or before 2030?0 -
Never, probably.surrey_commuter said:
If borrowing hundreds of billions a year for the forseeable future counts as tight then what level of borrowing would you count as loose?rick_chasey said:
Well we don't have any monetary policy left so it's all about fiscal and that above is what happens when you are tight fiscally.surrey_commuter said:
How can we rejoin the Gold Standard when it no longer exists?rick_chasey said:
Which year do you think the deficit will drop below £100bn? or do you think it will be before the end of this Parliament or before 2030?
If growth is good, that will not be a problem.0 -
I think I would rather be in Norways position than the UK's if you are planning for growth to get us out of this hole long term. We have limited scope for population increase or domestic appetite. We are not going to be able to increase productivity massively. Where is your growth coming from here.rick_chasey said:
Never, probably.surrey_commuter said:
If borrowing hundreds of billions a year for the forseeable future counts as tight then what level of borrowing would you count as loose?rick_chasey said:
Well we don't have any monetary policy left so it's all about fiscal and that above is what happens when you are tight fiscally.surrey_commuter said:
How can we rejoin the Gold Standard when it no longer exists?rick_chasey said:
Which year do you think the deficit will drop below £100bn? or do you think it will be before the end of this Parliament or before 2030?
If growth is good, that will not be a problem.0 -
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£100bn is 5% of GDP so I can see us growing out of the debt problem.rick_chasey said:
Never, probably.surrey_commuter said:
If borrowing hundreds of billions a year for the forseeable future counts as tight then what level of borrowing would you count as loose?rick_chasey said:
Well we don't have any monetary policy left so it's all about fiscal and that above is what happens when you are tight fiscally.surrey_commuter said:
How can we rejoin the Gold Standard when it no longer exists?rick_chasey said:
Which year do you think the deficit will drop below £100bn? or do you think it will be before the end of this Parliament or before 2030?
If growth is good, that will not be a problem.
If by some miracle these dipshit policies raised long term growth to 2% pa that only allows you £40bn deficit. And then factor in the recession every ten years to thump the debt out another 20-30% and what could possibly go wrong.
iirc you think this can not continue forever and if so when do you think the end of the road will come? and by that I mean the govt of th eday will be forced to live within it's means0 -
Just a reminder that the British government hasn't lived within its means since 1692.surrey_commuter said:
£100bn is 5% of GDP so I can see us growing out of the debt problem.rick_chasey said:
Never, probably.surrey_commuter said:
If borrowing hundreds of billions a year for the forseeable future counts as tight then what level of borrowing would you count as loose?rick_chasey said:
Well we don't have any monetary policy left so it's all about fiscal and that above is what happens when you are tight fiscally.surrey_commuter said:
How can we rejoin the Gold Standard when it no longer exists?rick_chasey said:
Which year do you think the deficit will drop below £100bn? or do you think it will be before the end of this Parliament or before 2030?
If growth is good, that will not be a problem.
If by some miracle these dipshit policies raised long term growth to 2% pa that only allows you £40bn deficit. And then factor in the recession every ten years to thump the debt out another 20-30% and what could possibly go wrong.
iirc you think this can not continue forever and if so when do you think the end of the road will come? and by that I mean the govt of th eday will be forced to live within it's means1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Part of the anti-growth coalition0
