What's the deal with Cav?
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See my post above. It was subtext rather than text, so to speak.cougie wrote:Roberto di Velo wrote:He’s been complaining about his bike hasn’t he? Could this be a factor? To be honest, I’m pretty sceptical, but maybe a lack of confidence in his kit doesn’t help.
I hope this isn’t the end of Cavendish, but it does look a bit like it.
Where's he complained about his bike ? That's a big sin to diss your kit.0 -
There have been apparent rumblings about his bike for a while now. Seem to remember him doing something similar in the past.
Personally, think he'll give it until next year as he has plenty of excuses for not being competitive in this Tour. The way he is acting does suggest he might be worried he can't compete with the top guys.
The problem with that is his deal is up so he'd need someone who wants him to sign him that he is also happy to race for.0 -
Roberto di Velo wrote:He’s been complaining about his bike hasn’t he? Could this be a factor? To be honest, I’m pretty sceptical, but maybe a lack of confidence in his kit doesn’t help.
I hope this isn’t the end of Cavendish, but it does look a bit like it.
Why doesn’t he like Cervelo? They are excellent bikes. It seems more like a rider with declining ability blaming his tools. If 10th is the best he can do then perhaps he should think about hanging up his shoes; it isn’t like he has anything to prove.
Pettachi was in a similar position when Cav was at his height, but Pettachi would still take the odd stage. I just can’t see that happening any more, there is so much young talent with blistering pace coming through.0 -
ddraver wrote:It was mega-subtext inference from Lionel...
I didn't buy it at all tbh
It was from an interview he gave at the start on ITV. He was discussing bikes and how other teams had faster frames, then he made a comment about things would be different next year.0 -
He isn't blaming his tools, someone else has decided to infer that without much in the way of grounds for doing so.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0
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Arrogant tosser, gets old, loses his edge, and everyone sticks the boot in, shocking shocker.0
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I don't see him as being arrogant. When he wins he's always thanking his team mates for getting him up there.
You don't win 30 tdf stages without being a great sprinter.0 -
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G Hincapie wrote:ddraver wrote:It was mega-subtext inference from Lionel...
I didn't buy it at all tbh
It was from an interview he gave at the start on ITV. He was discussing bikes and how other teams had faster frames, then he made a comment about things would be different next year.
Not sure it was, it was post stage 7
He's been riding them for what...3 years now?
(Christ, can you imagine the MAMIL heartbreak if Cav says Cervelos are sh1t)We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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cougie wrote:I don't see him as being arrogant. When he wins he's always thanking his team mates for getting him up there.
You don't win 30 tdf stages without being a great sprinter.
Not sure he is that much of a team player, yes he thanks the team to high heaven when he wins, but when he can't win he sits up and gives up. Even after all the effort his team have put in.
In his early days this was probably OK as the team was built almost entirely around him (Columbia/HTC) even to the detriment of riders like Griepel,Kittel and Degenklolb who all had to leave to progress.
The most arrogant non-effort was while at Quick-Step when he sat up and let Cancellara take the bonus seconds that denied Tony Martin from getting the Yellow Jersey in 2015.
Yes he was a great sprinter and stage winner but I think those days are behind him and he is not doing his Team or sponsors any favours by chasing what is now beyond him.0 -
Milemuncher hates Cavcougie wrote:I don't see him as being arrogant. When he wins he's always thanking his team mates for getting him up there.
You don't win 30 tdf stages without being a great sprinter.0 -
This is my view.DeVlaeminck wrote:He isn't blaming his tools, someone else has decided to infer that without much in the way of grounds for doing so.0 -
I can see how arrogance during his peak could be paying him back with interest now.alanparsons wrote:cougie wrote:I don't see him as being arrogant. When he wins he's always thanking his team mates for getting him up there.
You don't win 30 tdf stages without being a great sprinter.
Not sure he is that much of a team player, yes he thanks the team to high heaven when he wins, but when he can't win he sits up and gives up. Even after all the effort his team have put in.
In his early days this was probably OK as the team was built almost entirely around him (Columbia/HTC) even to the detriment of riders like Griepel,Kittel and Degenklolb who all had to leave to progress.
The most arrogant non-effort was while at Quick-Step when he sat up and let Cancellara take the bonus seconds that denied Tony Martin from getting the Yellow Jersey in 2015.
Yes he was a great sprinter and stage winner but I think those days are behind him and he is not doing his Team or sponsors any favours by chasing what is now beyond him.
It reminds me of the quote:
I think we can all agree, whether he's finished or not, he is on his way down.Be careful how you treat people on your way up, because you might meet them again on your way down0 -
I do love that one incident in 2015 is brought up to show that he's arrogant.
And if you're not going to win the sprint or challenge for it then why not save the legs ? Nobody cares about 5th place or whatever.
And a lovely shot of MMs arrogant tosser congratulating the stage winner today. Who's not even on his own team. The arrogance of the man !0 -
ddraver wrote:G Hincapie wrote:ddraver wrote:It was mega-subtext inference from Lionel...
I didn't buy it at all tbh
It was from an interview he gave at the start on ITV. He was discussing bikes and how other teams had faster frames, then he made a comment about things would be different next year.
Not sure it was, it was post stage 7
He's been riding them for what...3 years now?
(Christ, can you imagine the MAMIL heartbreak if Cav says Cervelos are sh1t)
I saw the interview but can’t recall what stage it was, sorry. And you’re spot on about the MAMIL/Cervelo thing - OMG!
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ddraver wrote:Nah, Cervelos are the BMWs of Mamilia
Harsh. Audi at least.0 -
G Hincapie wrote:I saw the interview but can’t recall what stage it was, sorry. And you’re spot on about the MAMIL/Cervelo thing - OMG!
It was to Friebe, but to TVs Friebe
(He's actually getting on the telly himself now, doing a few bits to camera n' that...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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If you take at Team Time Trials and TTs then doesnt Cav already hold the record ?
He's won the points jersey at all three GTs that demands respect0 -
sherer wrote:If you take at Team Time Trials and TTs then doesnt Cav already hold the record ?
He's won the points jersey at all three GTs that demands respect
I can understand taking out TTTs but if you are taking out individual TTs why not eliminate mountain stages or stages won in a break as well? A TT win is a greater individual win that a bunch sprint.0 -
alanparsons wrote:cougie wrote:I don't see him as being arrogant. When he wins he's always thanking his team mates for getting him up there.
You don't win 30 tdf stages without being a great sprinter.
Not sure he is that much of a team player, yes he thanks the team to high heaven when he wins, but when he can't win he sits up and gives up. Even after all the effort his team have put in.
In his early days this was probably OK as the team was built almost entirely around him (Columbia/HTC) even to the detriment of riders like Griepel,Kittel and Degenklolb who all had to leave to progress.
The most arrogant non-effort was while at Quick-Step when he sat up and let Cancellara take the bonus seconds that denied Tony Martin from getting the Yellow Jersey in 2015.
Yes he was a great sprinter and stage winner but I think those days are behind him and he is not doing his Team or sponsors any favours by chasing what is now beyond him.
I must have missed Kittel riding at HTC :?0 -
That's a fair point, but in Merckx's day they would have more stages, including split stages. They'd chuck in quite a few short TTs that only the GC riders bothered with. Merckx won six TTs under 10km (and 10 under 20km)Pross wrote:sherer wrote:If you take at Team Time Trials and TTs then doesnt Cav already hold the record ?
He's won the points jersey at all three GTs that demands respect
I can understand taking out TTTs but if you are taking out individual TTs why not eliminate mountain stages or stages won in a break as well? A TT win is a greater individual win that a bunch sprint.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Pross wrote:sherer wrote:If you take at Team Time Trials and TTs then doesnt Cav already hold the record ?
He's won the points jersey at all three GTs that demands respect
I can understand taking out TTTs but if you are taking out individual TTs why not eliminate mountain stages or stages won in a break as well? A TT win is a greater individual win that a bunch sprint.
Good point that I didn't think about.. if we just take out TTTs what are the numbers then ?0 -
The record is the record. No point with all the "what ifs". I doubt Cav will do it now, but if he does then he really will have earnt it (cue "bunch sprint wins shouldn't count" arguments...)0
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Maybe the Griepel Cav era is over, it's not just Cav no longer getting there. Maybe Kittel had the bad luck to be sandwiched between the end of their era and the new boys. But the lack of lead out compared to his HTC and OPQS days is noticeable.
The GC trains leading into 3k or deeper might be a factor too.
So, Is Gav the new Cav?0 -
florerider wrote:Maybe the Griepel Cav era is over, it's not just Cav no longer getting there. Maybe Kittel had the bad luck to be sandwiched between the end of their era and the new boys. But the lack of lead out compared to his HTC and OPQS days is noticeable.
The GC trains leading into 3k or deeper might be a factor too.
So, Is Gav the new Cav?
Gav is more likely to be the next Boonen than Cav.
Only he doesn't tent at the prospect of cobbles.0 -
Years ago he never seemed to be involved in a crash, or at least when he did he never got injured, a few years ago he also had no kids. Those recent crashes and with a few extra years on the clock surely must dent his enthusiasm for going all in when in matters? He's only human.
This tour there have been other factors, a few stages ago he chose the wrong wheel, I think it was Quickstep that moved up on one side and he was then left with way too much to do, the other day he unclipped (after tightening his cleats up earlier in the stage), these things never happened to him before. He's all over the place at the moment, seeing him bob around in 9th or 10th when it's been lit up looks sad. Only he knows if the power is there, if it is then it's something mental?Trainer Road Blog: https://hitthesweetspot.home.blog/
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cougie wrote:I don't see him as being arrogant. When he wins he's always thanking his team mates for getting him up there.
You don't win 30 tdf stages without being a great sprinter.
The arrogance statement needs to be taken in the context of the poster, and taking into account his other 1500 odd posts of total bollocks.0
