"to be honest, I don't care about cyclists..."

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  • gary_sparrow
    gary_sparrow Posts: 181
    Sniper68 wrote:
    Gary sparrow wrote:
    Sniper68 wrote:
    Gary sparrow wrote:
    Sniper68 wrote:
    I reported my brother,a Bus driver,to his employer after he posted some less than positive remarks about cyclists and pedestrians on FB.I included screenshots of all his rants 8)
    He got a verbal warning 8)

    Do you still talk ?
    Occasionally.

    This is bizarre, is it a wind up ?
    Nope.
    I’d do it again if I had to.Why is it bizarre?

    Well , personally I would have a chat with him first brother to brother . Did you do that initially ?
  • sniper68
    sniper68 Posts: 2,910
    Vino'sGhost wrote:
    Sniper68 wrote:
    Gary sparrow wrote:
    Sniper68 wrote:
    Gary sparrow wrote:
    Sniper68 wrote:
    I reported my brother,a Bus driver,to his employer after he posted some less than positive remarks about cyclists and pedestrians on FB.I included screenshots of all his rants 8)
    He got a verbal warning 8)

    Do you still talk ?
    Occasionally.

    This is bizarre, is it a wind up ?
    Nope.
    I’d do it again if I had to.Why is it bizarre?

    I respect your stance but find gloating about it a bit wa nky
    Not gloating at all.
    Lynskey R480

  • sniper68
    sniper68 Posts: 2,910
    Gary sparrow wrote:
    Sniper68 wrote:
    Gary sparrow wrote:
    Sniper68 wrote:
    Gary sparrow wrote:
    Sniper68 wrote:
    I reported my brother,a Bus driver,to his employer after he posted some less than positive remarks about cyclists and pedestrians on FB.I included screenshots of all his rants 8)
    He got a verbal warning 8)

    Do you still talk ?
    Occasionally.

    This is bizarre, is it a wind up ?
    Nope.
    I’d do it again if I had to.Why is it bizarre?

    Well , personally I would have a chat with him first brother to brother . Did you do that initially ?
    Tried many times.It all came to a head after weeks of ranting.
    Lynskey R480

  • veronese68
    veronese68 Posts: 27,823
    Sniper68 wrote:
    Tried many times.It all came to a head after weeks of ranting.
    Did he ever see the error of his ways?
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  • gary_sparrow
    gary_sparrow Posts: 181
    Sniper68 wrote:
    Gary sparrow wrote:
    Sniper68 wrote:
    Gary sparrow wrote:
    Sniper68 wrote:
    Gary sparrow wrote:
    Sniper68 wrote:
    I reported my brother,a Bus driver,to his employer after he posted some less than positive remarks about cyclists and pedestrians on FB.I included screenshots of all his rants 8)
    He got a verbal warning 8)

    Do you still talk ?
    Occasionally.

    This is bizarre, is it a wind up ?
    Nope.
    I’d do it again if I had to.Why is it bizarre?

    Well , personally I would have a chat with him first brother to brother . Did you do that initially ?
    Tried many times.It all came to a head after weeks of ranting.

    You should write a book or at least produce a sit com . It’s like something Basil Fawlty would be involved in .
    I’d like to think he would give you space on the road if he’s in the bus and you on the road but from the sound of it I doubt it .!
  • sniper68
    sniper68 Posts: 2,910
    Veronese68 wrote:
    Did he ever see the error of his ways?
    I doubt it.I'm no longer friends with/follow him on FB so he could still be ranting about it now :|
    Gary sparrow wrote:
    You should write a book or at least produce a sit com . It’s like something Basil Fawlty would be involved in .
    I’d like to think he would give you space on the road if he’s in the bus and you on the road but from the sound of it I doubt it .!
    I don't ride over that way but I'd like to think he'd just clip me rather than all out flatten me :o:lol:
    Lynskey R480

  • DavidJB
    DavidJB Posts: 2,019
    Vino'sGhost wrote:
    imafatman wrote:
    The "i must overtake a cyclist at all costs" mentality is scary. I was cycling along my residential street yesterday when I heard a car approaching very fast from behind. Just up ahead was a clearing which I was going to pull in to allow the car to pass.

    Did the daft **** wait 5 seconds so I could pull in and they could pass safely? Of course ******* not, they just flew past me with probably 0.5m of space so they could get to their destination 5 seconds quicker. I would have ******* punched the **** but it was a woman so of course would end up with me all over the BBC as a woman beater.

    Nothing wrong with that, equality is equality.

    Women only seem to want `equality` when it suits them.
  • gary_sparrow
    gary_sparrow Posts: 181
    Sniper68 wrote:
    Veronese68 wrote:
    Did he ever see the error of his ways?
    I doubt it.I'm no longer friends with/follow him on FB so he could still be ranting about it now :|
    Gary sparrow wrote:
    You should write a book or at least produce a sit com . It’s like something Basil Fawlty would be involved in .
    I’d like to think he would give you space on the road if he’s in the bus and you on the road but from the sound of it I doubt it .!
    I don't ride over that way but I'd like to think he'd just clip me rather than all out flatten me :o:lol:

    Lovely , sounds like you two are complete opposites! What happens at Christmas ? Do you make up ?
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    defever wrote:
    ........

    Without the clear visual evidence or a credible witness of the experience I had (though he can be identifiable with some research), reporting may not be in favour of cyclists:

    1) I cannot objectively provide the position of the bin lorry, the oncoming car, and I in relation to the road
    ............

    Well it's hard to judge the width of the road in the photo but it certainly doesn't look wider than standard (narrower if anything) so to do some maths:

    A standard road is 7.3m wide. I would suggest a reasonable secondary position for a cyclist would have the wheels 1m from the kerb so your right shoulder would be 1.2m out. The recommended minimum width between a cyclist and passing vehicle is 1.5m so the nearside of the vehicle would be 2.7m out from the kerb. A refuse vehicle is usually around 2.5m wide excluding wing mirrors so their offside would be 5.2m from the kerb and 1.55m into the opposing lane. The oncoming car would be around 1.8m wide and positioned at least 0.5m from the kerb. Therefore the car and lorry would collide. Even if the car was brushing the kerb it would only leave around 0.3m between itself and the lorry so it seems almost certain that the lorry would have had to pass you with less than a metre of clearance and / or forced you close to the kerb.

    It is basically impossible for a vehicle to safely pass a cyclist when there is an oncoming vehicle on a standard width single carriageway UK road.
  • sniper68
    sniper68 Posts: 2,910
    Gary sparrow wrote:
    Lovely , sounds like you two are complete opposites! What happens at Christmas ? Do you make up ?
    Ha ha no we’re close but not that close!
    Lynskey R480

  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,345
    Pross wrote:
    It is basically impossible for a vehicle to safely pass a cyclist when there is an oncoming vehicle on a standard width single carriageway UK road.
    There is if you ride in the gutter where you belong.
    Not my argument, but one given to me seriously by an otherwise intelligent person.
    Sums up what we are up against.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • milemuncher1
    milemuncher1 Posts: 1,472
    Slowbike wrote:

    1.5 meters is the recommended MINIMUM - unfortunately, it's also only recommended.

    .

    It’s actually a bit less, at 0.914 meters ( 3 feet ). I think it should be made a legally enforceable 5 feet, personally.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    PBlakeney wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    It is basically impossible for a vehicle to safely pass a cyclist when there is an oncoming vehicle on a standard width single carriageway UK road.
    There is if you ride in the gutter where you belong.
    Not my argument, but one given to me seriously by an otherwise intelligent person.
    Sums up what we are up against.

    Even then the numbers don't work. Cyclist 0.5m wide, lorry 2.5m wide, car 1.8m wide. Total = 4.8m. Road width 7.3m so it leaves a gap of 2.5 m to be split between the cyclist to lorry and lorry to car (and assumes the car has a tyre brushing the kerb). It just about works for a cyclist in the gutter with two cars but I'm not sure I'd want to drive head on towards another car with a gap of just 1.5m between us at anything above walking pace!
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,345
    Pross wrote:
    PBlakeney wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    It is basically impossible for a vehicle to safely pass a cyclist when there is an oncoming vehicle on a standard width single carriageway UK road.
    There is if you ride in the gutter where you belong.
    Not my argument, but one given to me seriously by an otherwise intelligent person.
    Sums up what we are up against.

    Even then the numbers don't work. Cyclist 0.5m wide, lorry 2.5m wide, car 1.8m wide. Total = 4.8m. Road width 7.3m so it leaves a gap of 2.5 m to be split between the cyclist to lorry and lorry to car (and assumes the car has a tyre brushing the kerb). It just about works for a cyclist in the gutter with two cars but I'm not sure I'd want to drive head on towards another car with a gap of just 1.5m between us at anything above walking pace!
    Maybe not, and the theory may be sound but it happens on a daily basis with cars.
    And that's without riding in the gutter. Two cars leaves 3.7m for a rider and clearances.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • svetty
    svetty Posts: 1,904
    Milemuncher1 wrote:
    It’s actually a bit less, at 0.914 meters ( 3 feet ). I think it should be made a legally enforceable 5 feet, personally.
    And how would you enforce this exactly? Continuous CCTV camera coverage of the entirety of the UK road network? :roll:
    FFS! Harden up and grow a pair :D
  • slowbike
    slowbike Posts: 8,498
    Svetty wrote:
    Milemuncher1 wrote:
    It’s actually a bit less, at 0.914 meters ( 3 feet ). I think it should be made a legally enforceable 5 feet, personally.
    And how would you enforce this exactly? Continuous CCTV camera coverage of the entirety of the UK road network? :roll:
    vehicle camera ...
  • svetty
    svetty Posts: 1,904
    Slowbike wrote:
    Svetty wrote:
    Milemuncher1 wrote:
    It’s actually a bit less, at 0.914 meters ( 3 feet ). I think it should be made a legally enforceable 5 feet, personally.
    And how would you enforce this exactly? Continuous CCTV camera coverage of the entirety of the UK road network? :roll:
    vehicle camera ...
    And you want to live in a society where the state mandates constant surveillance. Ever read George Orwell? :roll: :roll:

    I really don't believe that the 'militant cyclist thing' does us any favours. We all need to share the roads and building bridges between different user groups can only help foster understanding.
    FFS! Harden up and grow a pair :D
  • slowbike
    slowbike Posts: 8,498
    Svetty wrote:
    Slowbike wrote:
    Svetty wrote:
    Milemuncher1 wrote:
    It’s actually a bit less, at 0.914 meters ( 3 feet ). I think it should be made a legally enforceable 5 feet, personally.
    And how would you enforce this exactly? Continuous CCTV camera coverage of the entirety of the UK road network? :roll:
    vehicle camera ...
    And you want to live in a society where the state mandates constant surveillance. Ever read George Orwell? :roll: :roll:
    Well - I'm quite happy with the camera I have on the back of my bike - the state can't view it - unless I give them access.

    If it was a legally enforceable 5 feet and it's quite clear from the camera that they're within that - then that's it - issue a fine. Job done.... & concentrates the minds of drivers somewhat.
  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    Most cyclists are twats. Most drivers are twats. Most people are twats.

    It is surprising that cyclists don't reign in their twatty behaviour though seeing as it's their safety that's at risk more than the drivers. It doesn't seem to happen though and day in day out you see cyclists riding badly and thus leaving it to drivers to make up for their crappy riding. Of course, some drivers can't make up for it as they are crap drivers.

    Shifting the blame onto drivers seems to be the default. Which is fine when it's the driver's fault, but I've been cycling with people who complain about driving when it's their riding that's at fault.
  • redbikejohn
    redbikejohn Posts: 160
    Skip lorries have given me some real fright over the years. Normally too shocked to make note of company to report it. Been meaning to get a camera. If you have the details of company report it. His calmness points to being a little like a psychopath ....
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,106
    I think the mistake in this tale is taking a polite approach with the driver. I'm not saying chin him but most people will be cowed by a more aggressive approach - they don't like conflict and even if they argue at the time they'll do what they can to avoid it in future and that means not overtaking in a dangerous manner. Of course a few of them may actually fancy a physical confrontation but surprisingly few and if it ends badly at least you know you've taken one for the team.
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  • svetty
    svetty Posts: 1,904
    DeVlaeminck wrote:
    I think the mistake in this tale is taking a polite approach with the driver. I'm not saying chin him but most people will be cowed by a more aggressive approach - they don't like conflict and even if they argue at the time they'll do what they can to avoid it in future and that means not overtaking in a dangerous manner. Of course a few of them may actually fancy a physical confrontation but surprisingly few and if it ends badly at least you know you've taken one for the team.
    Yeah 'cos going off on a rant is clearly the best way to positively influence people.
    FFS! Harden up and grow a pair :D
  • buckles
    buckles Posts: 694
    Someone I work with said cyclists should be shot. Apparently we're all c***s who get in his way (not on OUR way but in HIS way), and should be forced to pay 'road tax' (because ALL motorists pay to use the road apparently) and have insurance (because we cause so much death, damage and destruction). An utter moron.
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  • timothyw
    timothyw Posts: 2,482
    Buckles wrote:
    Someone I work with said cyclists should be shot. Apparently we're all c***s who get in his way (not on OUR way but in HIS way), and should be forced to pay 'road tax' (because ALL motorists pay to use the road apparently) and have insurance (because we cause so much death, damage and destruction). An utter moron.
    I'm saying chin him.
  • jgsi
    jgsi Posts: 5,062
    Obviously does nt drive much on the M6 Cheshire and Staffs then... lots of stuff in his way there.
    Whats the point of smart motorways when dumb people use them.
  • gary_sparrow
    gary_sparrow Posts: 181
    Buckles wrote:
    Someone I work with said cyclists should be shot. Apparently we're all c***s who get in his way (not on OUR way but in HIS way), and should be forced to pay 'road tax' (because ALL motorists pay to use the road apparently) and have insurance (because we cause so much death, damage and destruction). An utter moron.


    Never ceases to amaze me the hatred towards cyclists. I often wonder is it pig ignorance or a complete lack of brain cells that makes these people think we are all law breaking paracites who never pay tax . Sadly Selfishness and impatience are rampant in the society we live in .
  • sloppyschleckonds
    sloppyschleckonds Posts: 8,019
    mfin wrote:

    It is surprising that cyclists don't reign in their twatty behaviour though seeing as it's their safety that's at risk more than the drivers.

    :lol:
    I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles
  • DavidJB
    DavidJB Posts: 2,019
    SloppySchleckonds wrote:
    mfin wrote:

    It is surprising that cyclists don't reign in their twatty behaviour though seeing as it's their safety that's at risk more than the drivers.

    :lol:

    This guy has form with this kind of shitposting. I don't actually think he rides a bike.
  • john1967
    john1967 Posts: 366
    PBlakeney wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    It is basically impossible for a vehicle to safely pass a cyclist when there is an oncoming vehicle on a standard width single carriageway UK road.
    There is if you ride in the gutter where you belong.
    Not my argument, but one given to me seriously by an otherwise intelligent person.
    Sums up what we are up against.


    On my ride the other evening i had the audacity not to be in the gutter and a driver pulled along side me and screamed at me to get there immediately.I would have liked to have been given the right to reply but the driver zoomed away.Im used to this sort of thing now and i wont let it ruin my rides.
  • sniper68
    sniper68 Posts: 2,910
    Buckles wrote:
    Someone I work with said cyclists should be shot. Apparently we're all c***s who get in his way (not on OUR way but in HIS way), and should be forced to pay 'road tax' (because ALL motorists pay to use the road apparently) and have insurance (because we cause so much death, damage and destruction). An utter moron.
    Sadly this seems to be a common theme across the UK.Some of the total hatred I've heard at work really does make you wonder how these people have managed to get through their life without killing a cyclist/pedestrian :oops:
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