Giro 2018 Stage 14: San Vito al Tagliamento - Monte Zoncolan 186 kilometres *Spoilers*

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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Tom feels his form isn’t as good as it was last year and it’ll be “difficult to win”.
  • ddraver
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  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,444
    Tom feels his form isn’t as good as it was last year and it’ll be “difficult to win”.
    Any claim by Dumoulin that he is not the virtual leader should be treated with great suspicion.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Tom feels his form isn’t as good as it was last year and it’ll be “difficult to win”.
    Any claim by Dumoulin that he is not the virtual leader should be treated with great suspicion.
    I’m not convinced he is. 1.24 is in the region of what I’d expect him to beat Yates in the TT by.
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  • TheBigBean
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    Virtual leads based on TTs in GTs are always a bit of a ropey claim. Plenty of cases in point.
  • milton50
    milton50 Posts: 3,856
    The fact it comes after a rest day also increases uncertainty. Although I would expect Dumoulin to beat Yates by a minimum of 1:30.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Tom feels his form isn’t as good as it was last year and it’ll be “difficult to win”.
    Any claim by Dumoulin that he is not the virtual leader should be treated with great suspicion.
    ddraver wrote:
    How do you say Bluff in Dutch?

    These
    So far, he 100% in delivering performances that contradict his daily form proclamations.
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  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,788
    Milton50 wrote:
    The fact it comes after a rest day also increases uncertainty. Although I would expect Dumoulin to beat Yates by a minimum of 1:30.
    I suspected more but the gap his brother conceded to Teejay at California might be a good guide. Similar distance and around 1.35
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Consensus is two minutes in the TT which after bonuses might not be enough for Tom.
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,108
    It's tight for sure, I reckon Yates did enough on Zoncolan to be on target - Dumoulin isn't the sort to crack completely and 30 seconds over 3k isn't a bad return - but he needs to keep chipping away on these mountain finishes and bonuses could be crucial.

    A couple of things that may come into play. Assuming Dumoulin take over pink after the TT if Sunweb take responsibility for policing the break they might let it go out and take the stage bonuses - MitcheltonS may still find themselves having to ride to stop that happening.

    Second one is with it being so close who takes responsibility for going after an aggressive Froome? It's one thing letting Woods or Aru up the road but if Froome is back he is dangerous. A standoff between Yates and TD might actually let Froome come right back into this race. It could be so close that bonus sprints get interesting.
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  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,788
    Second one is with it being so close who takes responsibility for going after an aggressive Froome? It's one thing letting Woods or Aru up the road but if Froome is back he is dangerous. A standoff between Yates and TD might actually let Froome come right back into this race. It could be so close that bonus sprints get interesting.

    I do like the sound of this scenario
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,496
    inseine wrote:
    Second one is with it being so close who takes responsibility for going after an aggressive Froome? It's one thing letting Woods or Aru up the road but if Froome is back he is dangerous. A standoff between Yates and TD might actually let Froome come right back into this race. It could be so close that bonus sprints get interesting.

    I do like the sound of this scenario
    Interesting for sure but I see Froome getting podium, not pink. He will take time out of Yates, but not more than 3 minutes. He might take time out of Dumoulin, but not 2 minutes. Two horse race, accidents aside.
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  • larkim
    larkim Posts: 2,485
    Three minutes to Yates and two to Dumoulin sound safe in theory. But it only takes one unexpected event for any of those three individuals for all that to be changed.
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  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    It's actually easy to tell what's going to happen, just watch it at the time.
  • mfin wrote:
    It's actually easy to tell what's going to happen, just watch it at the time.

    Yes, heaven forbid people coming onto a cycling forum to speculate about the outcome of a big race.Whatever next?
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,692
    This was posted in today's stage thread but probably belongs better here.
    https://twitter.com/Eurosport_UK/status ... 9900676096
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  • topper_harley
    topper_harley Posts: 597
    mfin wrote:
    It's actually easy to tell what's going to happen, just watch it at the time.

    Yes, heaven forbid people coming onto a cycling forum to speculate about the outcome of a big race.Whatever next?
    :D
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    Looking at the How the Race was Won video for this stage could help noticing a very suspicious climbing performance. Look at these two screenshots at 4.5km and 1km and tell be that is credible. It's not.

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  • cruff
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    ... Cue endless palaeontological arguments about the running speed of Tyrannosaurids... :D
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  • ddraver
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    Did I hear someone say they'd like another series Tour de Geologie this July?
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
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    ddraver wrote:
    Did I hear someone say they'd like another series Tour de Geologie this July?

    Yes please.
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  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    ddraver wrote:
    Did I hear someone say they'd like another series Tour de Geologie this July?

    Graag!
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  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
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    I've just realised Yates has elastic bands around his shoes.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,692
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    I've just realised Yates has elastic bands around his shoes.

    Laces. It's like an old-skool football boot thing.
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  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    DdlzTiRUwAAJ1XU.jpg:large

    I've just realised Yates has elastic bands around his shoes.

    Laces. It's like an old-skool football boot thing.

    Don't ruin it for me! I wanted to think he'd solved his shoe malfunction with the super high-tech marginal gain of elastic bands.


    I have no idea why you would tie your laces around your football boots or your cycling shoes?
    Correlation is not causation.
  • m.r.m.
    m.r.m. Posts: 3,486
    I have no idea why you would tie your laces around your football boots or your cycling shoes?
    It's so the bunny ears don't get caught on the crank.

    In football you flipped the long tongue over the laces and secured it via elastic under the shoe to have a more uniform surface at the top of the boot to not have the laces interfere with the precision of your game. :wink:
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  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    OK OK, but why have cycling shoes with laces in this day and age there are so many other alternatives?

    I'm reading to much into this.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,496
    OK OK, but why have cycling shoes with laces in this day and age there are so many other alternatives?

    I'm reading to much into this.
    Lower profile, more aero under overshoes.
    Once at that point you ride with your favourite shoes all the time.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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  • m.r.m.
    m.r.m. Posts: 3,486
    Weight mainly. If you don't need to loosen and tighten during rides (some people adjust BOA tightness a lot, others don't) there is no advantage to running BOA's. Laces suffer less from crashes as well.
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  • rick_chasey
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    And thicker margins for the shoe manufacturer who still charges the premium for a cheaper design.


    ;)