Too good to be true? IQ2 Power meter on Kickstarter - going to sell for as little as £130

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  • chris_basschris_bass Posts: 4,858
    I can't see them ever getting these to market, was listening to DC rainmaker and Shane Miller's podcast and they were very sceptical about it all and they have far more experience in this stuff than most
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  • daniel_bdaniel_b Posts: 8,298
    Just confirmed my address details this morning for shipping.

    Don't know when shipping will be, and also no App showing up on Google Play yet to calibrate it.

    Will update when it arrives, and how I get on with it \ weight etc etc, and how it compares with my Vector 2 pedals and Neo.
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  • Daniel B wrote:
    Just confirmed my address details this morning for shipping.

    Don't know when shipping will be, and also no App showing up on Google Play yet to calibrate it.

    Will update when it arrives, and how I get on with it \ weight etc etc, and how it compares with my Vector 2 pedals and Neo.

    As a guy on the lookout for a cheapy power meter I'm waiting with baited breath to see how this turns out
  • timothywtimothyw Posts: 2,415
    Different price range but SRM have an MTB pedal powermeter coming soon if the IQ2 doesn't work out...
    https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2019/09/srm ... r-srm.html

    and it mentions in the post that the shimano mtb SPD standard is out of patent so there should be more power pedals in that standard forthcoming.

    Good news for me anyway, being all SPD.
  • daniel_bdaniel_b Posts: 8,298
    Hi all,

    The final product has been successfully assembled. It feels great to finally be able to ride with our power meter and we can't wait to send you yours!

    We originally estimated first deliveries in September. We've decided to dedicate an extra month (until the end of October) to finetune all individual components of the final assembly so that we can guarantee the highest possible quality. Here are some indoor pictures of the final product, which are currently undergoing surface finishing with a different texture.

    252f31b647bf8c0f8edecc439fc10825_original.jpeg?ixlib=rb-2.1.0&w=700&fit=max&v=1568815189&auto=format&gif-q=50&q=92&s=c12155becf4ed71fab4f1bc3ac9a66a6
    53fbcbf81851fa634183176caae3d5b3_original.jpeg?ixlib=rb-2.1.0&w=700&fit=max&v=1568816139&auto=format&gif-q=50&q=92&s=d53fc764bd59d59594366f95b2f3d638
    ffe7f425f6507b4093a71086616b94fc_original.jpeg?ixlib=rb-2.1.0&w=700&fit=max&v=1568816097&auto=format&gif-q=50&q=92&s=48b81de212bf109b4779abe9bfeee598

    By the time I receive mine the bike these are ultimately destined for will be in hibernation for the winter, so not sure if I'll pop them on a winter bike or something.
    Felt F70 05 (Turbo)
    Marin Palisades Trail 91 and 06
    Scott CR1 SL 12
    Cannondale Synapse Adventure 15 & 16 Di2
    Scott Foil 18
  • chris_basschris_bass Posts: 4,858
    that "extra month" is a bit worrying - if they are confident they are accurate/reliable then why the extra month? if not then if they find a problem i can't see a month being long enough to put it right!

    until they hit the market and users have been riding with them and testing them i think i'll remain sceptical
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  • Chris Bass wrote:
    that "extra month" is a bit worrying - if they are confident they are accurate/reliable then why the extra month? if not then if they find a problem i can't see a month being long enough to put it right!

    until they hit the market and users have been riding with them and testing them i think i'll remain sceptical
    You would think the bank would pull the plug by now.
  • chris_basschris_bass Posts: 4,858
    Chris Bass wrote:
    that "extra month" is a bit worrying - if they are confident they are accurate/reliable then why the extra month? if not then if they find a problem i can't see a month being long enough to put it right!

    until they hit the market and users have been riding with them and testing them i think i'll remain sceptical
    You would think the bank would pull the plug by now.

    thats the beauty of crowd funding - playing with other people's money!
    www.conjunctivitis.com - a site for sore eyes
  • Daniel B wrote:
    Hi all,

    The final product has been successfully assembled. It feels great to finally be able to ride with our power meter and we can't wait to send you yours!

    We originally estimated first deliveries in September. We've decided to dedicate an extra month (until the end of October) to finetune all individual components of the final assembly so that we can guarantee the highest possible quality. Here are some indoor pictures of the final product, which are currently undergoing surface finishing with a different texture.

    252f31b647bf8c0f8edecc439fc10825_original.jpeg?ixlib=rb-2.1.0&w=700&fit=max&v=1568815189&auto=format&gif-q=50&q=92&s=c12155becf4ed71fab4f1bc3ac9a66a6
    53fbcbf81851fa634183176caae3d5b3_original.jpeg?ixlib=rb-2.1.0&w=700&fit=max&v=1568816139&auto=format&gif-q=50&q=92&s=d53fc764bd59d59594366f95b2f3d638
    ffe7f425f6507b4093a71086616b94fc_original.jpeg?ixlib=rb-2.1.0&w=700&fit=max&v=1568816097&auto=format&gif-q=50&q=92&s=48b81de212bf109b4779abe9bfeee598

    By the time I receive mine the bike these are ultimately destined for will be in hibernation for the winter, so not sure if I'll pop them on a winter bike or something.

    I really hope they’re putting some kind of metal plate or bits of metal on that pedal body. If that’s just plastic or some kind of composite, it’ll get mashed in no time!
    #f*ckwit
  • daniel_bdaniel_b Posts: 8,298
    oh yeh, valid point - will let you know what turns up!
    Felt F70 05 (Turbo)
    Marin Palisades Trail 91 and 06
    Scott CR1 SL 12
    Cannondale Synapse Adventure 15 & 16 Di2
    Scott Foil 18
  • Some of their other pics show a metal plate, so I reckon it'll be fine.
    #f*ckwit
  • Daniel B wrote:
    Hi all,

    The final product has been successfully assembled. It feels great to finally be able to ride with our power meter and we can't wait to send you yours!

    We originally estimated first deliveries in September. We've decided to dedicate an extra month (until the end of October) to finetune all individual components of the final assembly so that we can guarantee the highest possible quality. Here are some indoor pictures of the final product, which are currently undergoing surface finishing with a different texture.

    252f31b647bf8c0f8edecc439fc10825_original.jpeg?ixlib=rb-2.1.0&w=700&fit=max&v=1568815189&auto=format&gif-q=50&q=92&s=c12155becf4ed71fab4f1bc3ac9a66a6
    53fbcbf81851fa634183176caae3d5b3_original.jpeg?ixlib=rb-2.1.0&w=700&fit=max&v=1568816139&auto=format&gif-q=50&q=92&s=d53fc764bd59d59594366f95b2f3d638
    ffe7f425f6507b4093a71086616b94fc_original.jpeg?ixlib=rb-2.1.0&w=700&fit=max&v=1568816097&auto=format&gif-q=50&q=92&s=48b81de212bf109b4779abe9bfeee598

    By the time I receive mine the bike these are ultimately destined for will be in hibernation for the winter, so not sure if I'll pop them on a winter bike or something.

    I really hope they’re putting some kind of metal plate or bits of metal on that pedal body. If that’s just plastic or some kind of composite, it’ll get mashed in no time!
    That's a sheet load of Q
  • daniel_bdaniel_b Posts: 8,298
    That's a sheet load of Q

    This is what they claimed back in May:
    We have decided upon a Keo-compatible road pedal. An advantage of this is the disappearance of the controversial increased Q factor

    I have Look Keos I can compare with upon arrival.

    Just scanned back through all the subsequent updates, and there seems to be no mention that this has changed.
    Felt F70 05 (Turbo)
    Marin Palisades Trail 91 and 06
    Scott CR1 SL 12
    Cannondale Synapse Adventure 15 & 16 Di2
    Scott Foil 18
  • timothywtimothyw Posts: 2,415
    Having had a glance at these look's on wiggle:
    https://www.wiggle.co.uk/look-keo-classic-3black-38nm/
    That's a sheet load of Q
    That's a sheet load of FUD.
  • daniel_bdaniel_b Posts: 8,298
    timothyw wrote:
    Having had a glance at these look's on wiggle:
    https://www.wiggle.co.uk/look-keo-classic-3black-38nm/
    That's a sheet load of Q
    That's a sheet load of FUD.

    ??

    300868-01.jpg
    Felt F70 05 (Turbo)
    Marin Palisades Trail 91 and 06
    Scott CR1 SL 12
    Cannondale Synapse Adventure 15 & 16 Di2
    Scott Foil 18
  • daniel_bdaniel_b Posts: 8,298
    Dear all,

    As indicated in our last update three weeks ago, we’ve started production. This part of the journey includes tackling the last hiccups to a successful high-quality product. Team members have been flying out to several countries to oversee and finetune all components and assembly lines at our production partners and factories. We apologize for the 3+ week wait. Here’s what we encountered:

    #1 Our plastic pedal parts needed a minor adaptation. This means that the plastic injection molds (made of steel) that create these parts need to be modified. We have successfully done so and this adaptation will give us a two-week delay.

    #2 The bearings and sealing we used needed some improvement. To this end, we have involved high-quality bearings producer SKF to help us out. They are now supplying us with their bearings and have begun a custom production of rotary seals specifically for the iQsquare pedal power meter. Very grateful to them!
    These seals, specially made for iQsquare, differ 0,05 mm per sample, so we can now look and see which one fills up that miniature interior space to perfection.
    Selecting the best fit.

    #3 Remember this picture from the last update indicating we were tuning the antenna? We concluded these tests (see test results below) and adjusted the PCB accordingly.
    Bluetooth and ANT+ antenna measurements after tuning the antenna.

    In summary, October 25th is the date our productions partners tell us these parts will arrive. And then when we finally begin assembly, we will still perform a couple of final tests to make sure the end-product functions according to what we envisioned. However, our team and you as backer have come to find out the hard way that it doesn’t always happen so smoothly, so we don’t want to make the mistake of mentioning any final dates right now. One step at a time it seems, but we’re definitely moving.

    DC Rainmaker summarized it well when he said: “There’s a long trail of companies that have tried and failed to develop power meters. And many that have succeeded. And every…single…one of them has had delays and complexities along the way (yes, even SRM). No matter the money invested (Garmin), or the time in the industry (PowerTap or Quarq). Making power meters is far more difficult than people realize.”

    But luckily he also observed this: “I have zero question in my mind he’ll (Keesjan Klant) be able to pull this off. But, like Elon Musk, I suspect he’s underestimating the difficulties in this product and the timelines involved. He’ll get there, and the product will likely be great in the end. But, it probably just won’t happen when you think it will. On the bright side, a power meter is generally considered easier than re-landing rockets on a floating platform in the ocean.”

    We’ll write as soon as there’s more to post!

    So end of the year I guess.
    Felt F70 05 (Turbo)
    Marin Palisades Trail 91 and 06
    Scott CR1 SL 12
    Cannondale Synapse Adventure 15 & 16 Di2
    Scott Foil 18
  • darkhairedlorddarkhairedlord Posts: 4,556
    Daniel B wrote:
    Dear all,

    As indicated in our last update three weeks ago, we’ve started production. This part of the journey includes tackling the last hiccups to a successful high-quality product. Team members have been flying out to several countries to oversee and finetune all components and assembly lines at our production partners and factories. We apologize for the 3+ week wait. Here’s what we encountered:

    #1 Our plastic pedal parts needed a minor adaptation. This means that the plastic injection molds (made of steel) that create these parts need to be modified. We have successfully done so and this adaptation will give us a two-week delay.

    #2 The bearings and sealing we used needed some improvement. To this end, we have involved high-quality bearings producer SKF to help us out. They are now supplying us with their bearings and have begun a custom production of rotary seals specifically for the iQsquare pedal power meter. Very grateful to them!
    These seals, specially made for iQsquare, differ 0,05 mm per sample, so we can now look and see which one fills up that miniature interior space to perfection.
    Selecting the best fit.

    #3 Remember this picture from the last update indicating we were tuning the antenna? We concluded these tests (see test results below) and adjusted the PCB accordingly.
    Bluetooth and ANT+ antenna measurements after tuning the antenna.

    In summary, October 25th is the date our productions partners tell us these parts will arrive. And then when we finally begin assembly, we will still perform a couple of final tests to make sure the end-product functions according to what we envisioned. However, our team and you as backer have come to find out the hard way that it doesn’t always happen so smoothly, so we don’t want to make the mistake of mentioning any final dates right now. One step at a time it seems, but we’re definitely moving.

    DC Rainmaker summarized it well when he said: “There’s a long trail of companies that have tried and failed to develop power meters. And many that have succeeded. And every…single…one of them has had delays and complexities along the way (yes, even SRM). No matter the money invested (Garmin), or the time in the industry (PowerTap or Quarq). Making power meters is far more difficult than people realize.”

    But luckily he also observed this: “I have zero question in my mind he’ll (Keesjan Klant) be able to pull this off. But, like Elon Musk, I suspect he’s underestimating the difficulties in this product and the timelines involved. He’ll get there, and the product will likely be great in the end. But, it probably just won’t happen when you think it will. On the bright side, a power meter is generally considered easier than re-landing rockets on a floating platform in the ocean.”

    We’ll write as soon as there’s more to post!

    So end of the year I guess.
    Just in time for brexit import delays...
  • chris_basschris_bass Posts: 4,858
    Daniel B wrote:
    Dear all,

    As indicated in our last update three weeks ago, we’ve started production. This part of the journey includes tackling the last hiccups to a successful high-quality product. Team members have been flying out to several countries to oversee and finetune all components and assembly lines at our production partners and factories. We apologize for the 3+ week wait. Here’s what we encountered:

    #1 Our plastic pedal parts needed a minor adaptation. This means that the plastic injection molds (made of steel) that create these parts need to be modified. We have successfully done so and this adaptation will give us a two-week delay.

    #2 The bearings and sealing we used needed some improvement. To this end, we have involved high-quality bearings producer SKF to help us out. They are now supplying us with their bearings and have begun a custom production of rotary seals specifically for the iQsquare pedal power meter. Very grateful to them!
    These seals, specially made for iQsquare, differ 0,05 mm per sample, so we can now look and see which one fills up that miniature interior space to perfection.
    Selecting the best fit.

    #3 Remember this picture from the last update indicating we were tuning the antenna? We concluded these tests (see test results below) and adjusted the PCB accordingly.
    Bluetooth and ANT+ antenna measurements after tuning the antenna.

    In summary, October 25th is the date our productions partners tell us these parts will arrive. And then when we finally begin assembly, we will still perform a couple of final tests to make sure the end-product functions according to what we envisioned. However, our team and you as backer have come to find out the hard way that it doesn’t always happen so smoothly, so we don’t want to make the mistake of mentioning any final dates right now. One step at a time it seems, but we’re definitely moving.

    DC Rainmaker summarized it well when he said: “There’s a long trail of companies that have tried and failed to develop power meters. And many that have succeeded. And every…single…one of them has had delays and complexities along the way (yes, even SRM). No matter the money invested (Garmin), or the time in the industry (PowerTap or Quarq). Making power meters is far more difficult than people realize.”

    But luckily he also observed this: “I have zero question in my mind he’ll (Keesjan Klant) be able to pull this off. But, like Elon Musk, I suspect he’s underestimating the difficulties in this product and the timelines involved. He’ll get there, and the product will likely be great in the end. But, it probably just won’t happen when you think it will. On the bright side, a power meter is generally considered easier than re-landing rockets on a floating platform in the ocean.”

    We’ll write as soon as there’s more to post!

    So end of the year I guess.

    which year?
    www.conjunctivitis.com - a site for sore eyes
  • daniel_bdaniel_b Posts: 8,298
    haha, well hopefully 2019!

    Though I don't need it until March so am in no hurry.
    Let's see how much of that leeway gets eaten up!
    Felt F70 05 (Turbo)
    Marin Palisades Trail 91 and 06
    Scott CR1 SL 12
    Cannondale Synapse Adventure 15 & 16 Di2
    Scott Foil 18
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