Velo South 2018
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ugo.santalucia wrote:kingrollo wrote:
I just flown into Birmingham Airport and the pilot has a job landing the plane !!! - and thats with the 25mph winds here today - imagine an extra 10 mph on top of that.
I seem to recall wind speed is given at a 10 mt height about ground level. Typically it is a lot lower at the level we cycle. If we really had to cycle against a 25-30 mph wind, we wouldn't be able to move at all....
unless you can cycle faster than 25-30 mph with no wind...
Make sense - although the rough calculation stands - its going to be +10mph stronger winds than it is in birmingham today.
Gutted tbh - all year I have trained for this and was really looking forward to it - I know people did ride london in the wet and wind - but don't know if this weather is comparable ?0 -
kingrollo wrote:Does anyone know if they have bailout points ? - ie if you need to abandon do you have to wait for the 11mph broomwagon or can you get off at some points and get taken to the end....
The official broom wagon will be trundling along at 11 mph, but there’s a few train stations en route, that you could use to get back to Chichester.0 -
Bottom briquettes wrote:kingrollo wrote:Does anyone know if they have bailout points ? - ie if you need to abandon do you have to wait for the 11mph broomwagon or can you get off at some points and get taken to the end....
The official broom wagon will be trundling along at 11 mph, but there’s a few train stations en route, that you could use to get back to Chichester.
Don't know the area so that would be a nightmare !0 -
Once you're past the turn off between Duncton and Petworth (10 miles) you're heading east and your bail-out options start diminishing - there's another one at 21 miles - Adversane.
bailout at 10 miles and you can head across the lanes towards Lickfold - joining the course again at mile 71 - takes the total route up to around 50 miles.
bailout at 20 miles and head towards FiveOaks via Billingshurst - drops in at mile 50 - so cutting 25 miles or so off the course.
After that point there's little to cut whilst riding on as much closed road as possible - you can, of course, abandon and ride home at any point - but a solo ride home unsupported isn't going to be fun ... I guess at around Plaistow you could turn south via Kirdford & Petworth and then retrace the route backwards but that would be on open roads now - with arguably more traffic than normal - and the A285 is one of the accident black roads - if you came over to Midhurst & Cocking you could reduce your distance and the road isn't as bad (Midhurst to the turn off in Lavant is ~35-40 minutes riding) - but you're pretty close to just finishing it anyway.
Some of the train operators are banning bikes on the 23rd - so don't bank on them.
Perhaps I should get my family to do a shuttle service for those wanting to bail - pickup from Billingshurst, Northchapel & Midhurst - £10pp inc bike How many vehicles do you think we need? 
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kingrollo wrote:
Gutted tbh - all year I have trained for this and was really looking forward to it - I know people did ride london in the wet and wind - but don't know if this weather is comparable ?
Don't put all your eggs in one basket.... there is weather, there is poor health, there are loads of reasons why you might not be able to do an event you planned. That's why I plan several events every year... most I do, some I don't... but since most Audax are a tenner or thereabout, it's no big deal. Obviously, you can't do that with premium sportives like Velo South...
Luckily, you can resume training for BRUM 200, which opens for registration in a few days... left the forum March 20230 -
Without a doubt sods law is going to apply to this event for me (which it was from the start really, planning a ride 5 months in advance, how stupid :roll: )
It’s a 3 hour drive to the hotel (paid for) and another hour in the morning.
If we don’t come the weather won’t be too bad, if we do it’ll be biblical !
5 years since I’ve done anything like this so I guess I'd better dig out the gore-tex !
Still, I’ve got Mallorca to look forward to in 3 weeks
25th August 2013 12hrs 37mins 52.3 seconds 238km 5500mtrs FYRM Never again.0 -
ugo.santalucia wrote:kingrollo wrote:
Gutted tbh - all year I have trained for this and was really looking forward to it - I know people did ride london in the wet and wind - but don't know if this weather is comparable ?
Don't put all your eggs in one basket.... there is weather, there is poor health, there are loads of reasons why you might not be able to do an event you planned. That's why I plan several events every year... most I do, some I don't... but since most Audax are a tenner or thereabout, it's no big deal. Obviously, you can't do that with premium sportives like Velo South...
Luckily, you can resume training for BRUM 200, which opens for registration in a few days...
Thats the thing its a double whammy for me - a month ago was flying - out of no where an old injury has resurfaced, and eye floater suddenly appeared - and now this damn storm. - I have done other rides - but this was always going to be the big one.
Thats why I was asking about bail outs -a few years ago I pushed through the pain to complete and event finished in absolute agony - but worse was to follow and I was off the bike for 3 years ! - even worse I just committed a substantial amount of cash for a new bike - I think I am jinxed some times !0 -
kingrollo wrote:ugo.santalucia wrote:kingrollo wrote:
I just flown into Birmingham Airport and the pilot has a job landing the plane !!! - and thats with the 25mph winds here today - imagine an extra 10 mph on top of that.
I seem to recall wind speed is given at a 10 mt height about ground level. Typically it is a lot lower at the level we cycle. If we really had to cycle against a 25-30 mph wind, we wouldn't be able to move at all....
unless you can cycle faster than 25-30 mph with no wind...
Make sense - although the rough calculation stands - its going to be +10mph stronger winds than it is in birmingham today.
Gutted tbh - all year I have trained for this and was really looking forward to it - I know people did ride london in the wet and wind - but don't know if this weather is comparable ?
From what I see on the weather sites it looks worse than the Surrey 100. Wind that day was probably around 15-20mph. Stated temperature was about the same - mid teens - but the wind and rain saw a lot of us huddled in St John's Ambulance trailers and ambulances wrapped in foil (myself included). A lot of my problem was poor clothing choice, leaving rain jacket in the car, and the rather stupid view that as I live in Surrey I would never be far from home or my car parked at London bridge. This one is further from home, on unknown roads, worse weather forecast.0 -
I don't have a rain jacket or anything.
I'll be in arm warmers and a gilet. I tend to not go out in the rain, so don't really have any kit for it 0 -
Fortunately I've got several jackets to chose from... last time I did a really wet ride though it was my hands that suffered the most - really cold in wet gloves then couldn't change gear - it was flat though, so managed to "single speed" it back...0
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This has just been put on Twitter by Velo South....
*IMPORTANT WEATHER UPDATE*
You may have seen that the weather forecast for this Sunday 23rd is showing some wet and windy conditions across West Sussex, with a Met Office Yellow Weather Warning in place for strong winds in the region during the hours of the event.
As things stand the event is still going ahead but we will continue to monitor the situation closely as the weather forecast becomes more certain.
Please rest assured that the safety of riders, spectators and volunteers is our absolute priority and we will keep you up to date as things develop. We will issue a further update tomorrow via email, our social channels and on our event website.0 -
cmh28 wrote:This has just been put on Twitter by Velo South....
*IMPORTANT WEATHER UPDATE*
You may have seen that the weather forecast for this Sunday 23rd is showing some wet and windy conditions across West Sussex, with a Met Office Yellow Weather Warning in place for strong winds in the region during the hours of the event.
As things stand the event is still going ahead but we will continue to monitor the situation closely as the weather forecast becomes more certain.
Please rest assured that the safety of riders, spectators and volunteers is our absolute priority and we will keep you up to date as things develop. We will issue a further update tomorrow via email, our social channels and on our event website.
That’ll be a cancellation then.0 -
No, it'll be a significant shortening of the route so they keep the cash.Bottom briquettes wrote:cmh28 wrote:This has just been put on Twitter by Velo South....
*IMPORTANT WEATHER UPDATE*
You may have seen that the weather forecast for this Sunday 23rd is showing some wet and windy conditions across West Sussex, with a Met Office Yellow Weather Warning in place for strong winds in the region during the hours of the event.
As things stand the event is still going ahead but we will continue to monitor the situation closely as the weather forecast becomes more certain.
Please rest assured that the safety of riders, spectators and volunteers is our absolute priority and we will keep you up to date as things develop. We will issue a further update tomorrow via email, our social channels and on our event website.
That’ll be a cancellation then.0 -
darkhairedlord wrote:
No, it'll be a significant shortening of the route so they keep the cash.Bottom briquettes wrote:
That’ll be a cancellation then.
Basically yes... as I said aboveleft the forum March 20230 -
Any BR members in West Sussex know any details of the SVS alternative, better ride being organised for summer 2019?
"If only we'd been asked.
We're such a friendly bunch here in West Sussex. We're proud of the county we live in and love it for its beauty. Tourism, entertainment and the service industries are some of the county's main economic drivers, so we'd do anything we could to support this. Many would have opened their homes and businesses for a spectacular event for all ages, all abilities, all charities. Sadly the reality of the imposition of this event is a divided and torn community.
As residents we're left feeling mis-heard. We're not against cycling at all! We're just against Velo South. Why? We can't see the benefit or justification for the disruption of over 400,000 people for an exclusive, private commercial event. Along with the cycling events that happen every week in West Sussex, we could have designed an event that is truly inclusive, rather than one that imposes and disrupts.
In fact, we're so convinced by this that we intend to demonstrate what we mean. Plans are well underway for a better alternative to Velo South. One that is for the residents and businesses of West Sussex as much as it is for thousands of cyclists of all abilities and ages. We're designing something that brings real, measurable benefits to the county. It will be unveiled for consultation soon (residents and businesses first) and ready to roll during the summer of 2019."0 -
DJ58 wrote:Any BR members in West Sussex know any details of the SVS alternative, better ride being organised for summer 2019?
"If only we'd been asked.
We're such a friendly bunch here in West Sussex. We're proud of the county we live in and love it for its beauty. Tourism, entertainment and the service industries are some of the county's main economic drivers, so we'd do anything we could to support this. Many would have opened their homes and businesses for a spectacular event for all ages, all abilities, all charities. Sadly the reality of the imposition of this event is a divided and torn community.
As residents we're left feeling mis-heard. We're not against cycling at all! We're just against Velo South. Why? We can't see the benefit or justification for the disruption of over 400,000 people for an exclusive, private commercial event. Along with the cycling events that happen every week in West Sussex, we could have designed an event that is truly inclusive, rather than one that imposes and disrupts.
In fact, we're so convinced by this that we intend to demonstrate what we mean. Plans are well underway for a better alternative to Velo South. One that is for the residents and businesses of West Sussex as much as it is for thousands of cyclists of all abilities and ages. We're designing something that brings real, measurable benefits to the county. It will be unveiled for consultation soon (residents and businesses first) and ready to roll during the summer of 2019."
what a load of tosh. dont see what consultation acheives. roads were to closed....thats the message.....how it is delivered doesnt alter the thrust of what is being proposed.
its reminds of policticans who say " we failed to get our message across "......people got the message they just didnt like what they heard0 -
Think they're damned if they (Organisers) do and damned if they don't with these forecasts, that is cancelling the event.
We're still three days out (decision will have to be made Saturday) so a lot can still happen.
When weather was of a little concern a few pages back the front was going to arrive Sat so it could all still change, it could track further North by a 100 kms, and it could weaken.
And looking at the latest 120 hr chart it does indeed look as if it's tracking further North with the South now on the outer isobars.
Will be interesting to see how it develops.
Today forecast (Met Office) was for 40mph+ winds and we've only had at sea low to mid 30's in very pleasant sunshine.
Don't give up hope folks.0 -
A credit or reduced fee for velo midlands would be a result for me living just outside brum.
How would a shortended course work ? - obviously now the numbers are going to be massivley down - that would throw all the start times out for a start - and the wind is worse first thing.
could they get road closures in place for a revised route ? - have they got the hardware to halt the race at a certain point and bus everyone back to the start ?
Unless the weather shifts dramatically - I wouldn't rule out a 12 month postponement0 -
Per several posts further back( not mine but ugo)they won't cancel, they will stick to the small print to keep the money. They would be foolish not to.kingrollo wrote:A credit or reduced fee for velo midlands would be a result for me living just outside brum.
How would a shortended course work ? - obviously now the numbers are going to be massivley down - that would throw all the start times out for a start - and the wind is worse first thing.
could they get road closures in place for a revised route ? - have they got the hardware to halt the race at a certain point and bus everyone back to the start ?
Unless the weather shifts dramatically - I wouldn't rule out a 12 month postponement0 -
darkhairedlord wrote:
Per several posts further back( not mine but ugo)they won't cancel, they will stick to the small print to keep the money. They would be foolish not to.kingrollo wrote:A credit or reduced fee for velo midlands would be a result for me living just outside brum.
How would a shortended course work ? - obviously now the numbers are going to be massivley down - that would throw all the start times out for a start - and the wind is worse first thing.
could they get road closures in place for a revised route ? - have they got the hardware to halt the race at a certain point and bus everyone back to the start ?
Unless the weather shifts dramatically - I wouldn't rule out a 12 month postponement
they keep the money in any case.....as i understand they dont refund if its cancelled due to bad weather.
obviously if they cancel and offer nothing ....then the numbers for future velo south would take a hit.
if they run it and people get hurt on the day ...then they could be in trouble on H & S grounds.
i suppose it depends on what the advice they get re the weather. I dont see a shorter course as an option though. - I think a postponement is the most likley outcome.0 -
DJ58 wrote:Any BR members in West Sussex know any details of the SVS alternative, better ride being organised for summer 2019?
"If only we'd been asked.
We're such a friendly bunch here in West Sussex. We're proud of the county we live in and love it for its beauty. Tourism, entertainment and the service industries are some of the county's main economic drivers, so we'd do anything we could to support this. Many would have opened their homes and businesses for a spectacular event for all ages, all abilities, all charities. Sadly the reality of the imposition of this event is a divided and torn community.
As residents we're left feeling mis-heard. We're not against cycling at all! We're just against Velo South. Why? We can't see the benefit or justification for the disruption of over 400,000 people for an exclusive, private commercial event. Along with the cycling events that happen every week in West Sussex, we could have designed an event that is truly inclusive, rather than one that imposes and disrupts.
In fact, we're so convinced by this that we intend to demonstrate what we mean. Plans are well underway for a better alternative to Velo South. One that is for the residents and businesses of West Sussex as much as it is for thousands of cyclists of all abilities and ages. We're designing something that brings real, measurable benefits to the county. It will be unveiled for consultation soon (residents and businesses first) and ready to roll during the summer of 2019."
I haven't seen anything about these alternatives, attractive as they sound. To do all the that they would probably have to close the roads for longer, ironically. I am also pretty sure that these plans appeared some time after SVS was created, cynically to hide their nimbyism.0 -
DaveP1 wrote:DJ58 wrote:Any BR members in West Sussex know any details of the SVS alternative, better ride being organised for summer 2019?
"If only we'd been asked.
We're such a friendly bunch here in West Sussex. We're proud of the county we live in and love it for its beauty. Tourism, entertainment and the service industries are some of the county's main economic drivers, so we'd do anything we could to support this. Many would have opened their homes and businesses for a spectacular event for all ages, all abilities, all charities. Sadly the reality of the imposition of this event is a divided and torn community.
As residents we're left feeling mis-heard. We're not against cycling at all! We're just against Velo South. Why? We can't see the benefit or justification for the disruption of over 400,000 people for an exclusive, private commercial event. Along with the cycling events that happen every week in West Sussex, we could have designed an event that is truly inclusive, rather than one that imposes and disrupts.
In fact, we're so convinced by this that we intend to demonstrate what we mean. Plans are well underway for a better alternative to Velo South. One that is for the residents and businesses of West Sussex as much as it is for thousands of cyclists of all abilities and ages. We're designing something that brings real, measurable benefits to the county. It will be unveiled for consultation soon (residents and businesses first) and ready to roll during the summer of 2019."
I haven't seen anything about these alternatives, attractive as they sound. To do all the that they would probably have to close the roads for longer, ironically. I am also pretty sure that these plans appeared some time after SVS was created, cynically to hide their nimbyism.
I would doubt it would be closed roads. probably a glorified normal sportive....with a family twist....
probable attendance of 300-400 ...be interesting to see if they try and spin it as a vs replacement...it could get really cringeworthy tbh...0 -
Doesn't look too bad at all.. don't cancelleft the forum March 20230
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Current tracking of the low in the synoptic charts is the worst scenario for the event.
http://www.anotherharddayattheoffice.co ... tml#charts
In that the centre / eye of the depression is now over Southern England resulting in cyclonic winds and prolonged rain.
So cyclonic winds is why the wind direction goes nigh on 360 degrees from E to NNW
Organisers will certainly not know how to call it as it stands - they can only hope in the next 48hrs it tracks North and that High to the West establishes itself.0 -
ugo.santalucia wrote:Doesn't look too bad at all.. don't cancel
where you getting that from ?
all the sites i am tracking are staying the same as yesterday ....some are now throwing in the prospect of thunder.
I think the plug will be pulled if this doesnt change0 -
My gut feel is that because of the email statement, they are going to cancel.
Seems like a bit of a forewarning to me.0 -
Added to the weather the local paper down this way is reporting that the legal challenge is still being dealt with and there has been no confirmation that it has definitely been resolved yet.
https://www.chichester.co.uk/news/last- ... -1-8640840
Could be a turbo session instead on Sunday.0 -
ugo.santalucia wrote:Doesn't look too bad at all.. don't cancel
really ?....at best the forecast looks the same as yesterday......with a couple of sites now suggesting thunder.....
I think it will be off to be honest.0 -
kingrollo wrote:ugo.santalucia wrote:Doesn't look too bad at all.. don't cancel
really ?....at best the forecast looks the same as yesterday......with a couple of sites now suggesting thunder.....
I think it will be off to be honest.
Don't know, I've looked at Chichester on the Metoffice site and it doesn't look that gloomy... but maybe it is a matter of perception
https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/wea ... 2018-09-23left the forum March 20230 -
Thank god when I booked my Premier Inn room I paid extra to allow me to do a last minute cancellation...0
