Harry. Is it ok...?

surrey_commuter

DeVlaeminck wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

a very short piece of research would reveal that Harry does not want people hearing about his private life

His family's PR people obviously didn't get that memo

The deal will be limited access to then be left alone


I still hate the monarchy and can't believe I am defending them

lostboysaint

Mr Goo wrote:

Excellent news everyone. .......

IT'S A WINDSOR WEDDING !

Can we please agree that it's only excellent news if it means a day off?!

mamba80

joe2008 wrote:

ben@31 wrote:

If we were to colonise a new planet today, would we have a monarchy? Where one person is unelected, never has to work (or contribute), yet gets to live a wealthier and more privileged lifestyle than everyone else ?

I'm no Royalist, but they do work... I bet you're not still working at 95.

at the present rate of pension age rises, i d not bet on that

Working? is that what its called? or avoiding getting bored out of your skull...? many retired people sail, shoot, go to fetes, lay wreaths on 11/11 or take an interest in their grand kids Scout group..... its not called work.

how would abolition benefit Bally? he would no longer be subject to endless hours of TV and Nicolas Witchell or who ever, banging on non stop when one of them dies, engages, marries, divorces or is murdered.

orraloon

lostboysaint wrote:

Mr Goo wrote:

Excellent news everyone. .......

IT'S A WINDSOR WEDDING !

Can we please agree that it's only excellent news if it means a day off?!

Bleep off Salaryman, some of us are self-employed

surrey_commuter

bianchimoon wrote:

Mr Goo wrote:

Excellent news everyone. .......

IT'S A WINDSOR WEDDING !


Anyhow. What the f**k is Harry doing marrying Markel. I thought she was Chancellor of Germany, and possibly married. Does her husband know? And is this a stealthy, fiendish German plot to subvert Brexit.

Jermans in the monarchaicy.. whatever next!

it does amaze me how may people do not realise their royal family is German.

and not for the faint hearted - Victoria and Albert were first cousins :shock:

and that ladies and gentlemen is why after having the best education that money can buy that Harry had to cheat to pass A level art.

kingstongraham

Surrey Commuter wrote:

it does amaze me how may people do not realise their royal family is German.

Harsh - how many generations does a family have to be here before you consider them integrated?

orraloon

^ SC, you do realise this is Harry we are discussing?

joe2008

mamba80 wrote:

joe2008 wrote:

ben@31 wrote:

If we were to colonise a new planet today, would we have a monarchy? Where one person is unelected, never has to work (or contribute), yet gets to live a wealthier and more privileged lifestyle than everyone else ?

I'm no Royalist, but they do work... I bet you're not still working at 95.

at the present rate of pension age rises, i d not bet on that

Working? is that what its called? or avoiding getting bored out of your skull...? many retired people sail, shoot, go to fetes, lay wreaths on 11/11 or take an interest in their grand kids Scout group..... its not called work.

But your normal retirees don't have to attend 341 public engagements in their 90th year, with all the security and faff that that must entail.

Princess Anne attended 640 public engagements in 2016 I believe.

mr_goo

Surrey Commuter wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

Mr Goo wrote:

Excellent news everyone. .......

IT'S A WINDSOR WEDDING !


Anyhow. What the f**k is Harry doing marrying Markel. I thought she was Chancellor of Germany, and possibly married. Does her husband know? And is this a stealthy, fiendish German plot to subvert Brexit.

Jermans in the monarchaicy.. whatever next!

it does amaze me how may people do not realise their royal family is German.

and not for the faint hearted - Victoria and Albert were first cousins :shock:

and that ladies and gentlemen is why after having the best education that money can buy that Harry had to cheat to pass A level art.

Amazing. A level art = Placement on aircrew (no doubt without any selection process ) for Army Aircorps. Who'd have thought that?

ballysmate

ben@31 wrote:

Ballysmate,

How would we benefit? It's the principle.
So benefit is nil.
That institution is stuck in the dark ages, there's no place in the 21st century for an unelected hereditary monarch who is forced upon us and lives a wealthy privileged lifestyle while we all live in austerity.
Is Britain multi-cultural? Because we are not allowed to have a head of state from our other cultures. Not even Catholicism is allowed.
The institution is archaic, but so are a lot of our institutions including some law. They may be born into a privileged lifestyle but they are not alone in that. Should everyone be born equally destitute?
As regards their multi culture credentials, they are very good Europeans being Dutch/German plus Phil the Greek but seriously, I agree that the HoS should be seperate from any religion.

We don't truely know the cost of the monarchy, as for some reason their finances are the only thing excempt from the Freedom Of Information Act, ask yourself why is this ? Would they admit to being poor value for money ?
Then there's other budgets that have to pay for them, such as Police security, travel, state visits, renovation of their many homes, etc
Of course no other HoS has any security or travels or hold state visits do they?

Here's something for you to think about... all those other countries that have became a republic haven't gone back to being a monarchy. Surely that tells you something. (Spain went back to a Monarchy through violent force, when General Franco overthrew the democratically elected republic)
If we were to colonise a new planet today, would we have a monarchy? Where one person is unelected, never has to work (or contribute), yet gets to live a wealthier and more privileged lifestyle than everyone else ?
Pure whatiffery

Contrary to what people may have inferred from this thread, I am no raving Royalist. I really don't give them a thought. I just asked the people on here with Republican views to explain how we, sorry I, would benefit from a change.

bianchimoon

joe2008 wrote:

mamba80 wrote:

joe2008 wrote:

ben@31 wrote:

If we were to colonise a new planet today, would we have a monarchy? Where one person is unelected, never has to work (or contribute), yet gets to live a wealthier and more privileged lifestyle than everyone else ?

I'm no Royalist, but they do work... I bet you're not still working at 95.

at the present rate of pension age rises, i d not bet on that

Working? is that what its called? or avoiding getting bored out of your skull...? many retired people sail, shoot, go to fetes, lay wreaths on 11/11 or take an interest in their grand kids Scout group..... its not called work.

But your normal retirees don't have to attend 341 public engagements in their 90th year, with all the security and faff that that must entail.

Princess Anne attended 640 public engagements in 2016 I believe.

You say you're no Royalist?, sounds to me you could go on mastermind with a specialist subject of Royal engagements

joe2008

bianchimoon wrote:

joe2008 wrote:

mamba80 wrote:

joe2008 wrote:

ben@31 wrote:

If we were to colonise a new planet today, would we have a monarchy? Where one person is unelected, never has to work (or contribute), yet gets to live a wealthier and more privileged lifestyle than everyone else ?

I'm no Royalist, but they do work... I bet you're not still working at 95.

at the present rate of pension age rises, i d not bet on that

Working? is that what its called? or avoiding getting bored out of your skull...? many retired people sail, shoot, go to fetes, lay wreaths on 11/11 or take an interest in their grand kids Scout group..... its not called work.

But your normal retirees don't have to attend 341 public engagements in their 90th year, with all the security and faff that that must entail.

Princess Anne attended 640 public engagements in 2016 I believe.

You say you're no Royalist?, sounds to me you could go on mastermind with a specialist subject of Royal engagements

Google

ballysmate

Surrey Commuter wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

Mr Goo wrote:

Excellent news everyone. .......

IT'S A WINDSOR WEDDING !


Anyhow. What the f**k is Harry doing marrying Markel. I thought she was Chancellor of Germany, and possibly married. Does her husband know? And is this a stealthy, fiendish German plot to subvert Brexit.

Jermans in the monarchaicy.. whatever next!

it does amaze me how may people do not realise their royal family is German.

and not for the faint hearted - Victoria and Albert were first cousins :shock:

and that ladies and gentlemen is why after having the best education that money can buy that Harry had to cheat to pass A level art.

That's not very European is it? I thought we are all Europeans now. Are you sure you're not a Brexiteer? :?

bianchimoon

Ballysmate wrote:

ben@31 wrote:

Ballysmate,

How would we benefit? It's the principle.
So benefit is nil.
That institution is stuck in the dark ages, there's no place in the 21st century for an unelected hereditary monarch who is forced upon us and lives a wealthy privileged lifestyle while we all live in austerity.
Is Britain multi-cultural? Because we are not allowed to have a head of state from our other cultures. Not even Catholicism is allowed.
The institution is archaic, but so are a lot of our institutions including some law. They may be born into a privileged lifestyle but they are not alone in that. Should everyone be born equally destitute?
As regards their multi culture credentials, they are very good Europeans being Dutch/German plus Phil the Greek but seriously, I agree that the HoS should be seperate from any religion.

We don't truely know the cost of the monarchy, as for some reason their finances are the only thing excempt from the Freedom Of Information Act, ask yourself why is this ? Would they admit to being poor value for money ?
Then there's other budgets that have to pay for them, such as Police security, travel, state visits, renovation of their many homes, etc
Of course no other HoS has any security or travels or hold state visits do they?

Here's something for you to think about... all those other countries that have became a republic haven't gone back to being a monarchy. Surely that tells you something. (Spain went back to a Monarchy through violent force, when General Franco overthrew the democratically elected republic)
If we were to colonise a new planet today, would we have a monarchy? Where one person is unelected, never has to work (or contribute), yet gets to live a wealthier and more privileged lifestyle than everyone else ?
Pure whatiffery

Contrary to what people may have inferred from this thread, I am no raving Royalist. I really don't give them a thought. I just asked the people on here with Republican views to explain how we, sorry I, would benefit from a change.

You would live in a fairer more equitable society, if you don't think that's a benefit, how about if some ancient law was dredged up that made Bianchimoon and family on a par, property, wealth, privileges, private access to ministers to lobby for laws to be changed to suit my agenda. Would you object?

ballysmate

bianchimoon wrote:

Ballysmate wrote:

ben@31 wrote:

Ballysmate,

How would we benefit? It's the principle.
So benefit is nil.
That institution is stuck in the dark ages, there's no place in the 21st century for an unelected hereditary monarch who is forced upon us and lives a wealthy privileged lifestyle while we all live in austerity.
Is Britain multi-cultural? Because we are not allowed to have a head of state from our other cultures. Not even Catholicism is allowed.
The institution is archaic, but so are a lot of our institutions including some law. They may be born into a privileged lifestyle but they are not alone in that. Should everyone be born equally destitute?
As regards their multi culture credentials, they are very good Europeans being Dutch/German plus Phil the Greek but seriously, I agree that the HoS should be seperate from any religion.

We don't truely know the cost of the monarchy, as for some reason their finances are the only thing excempt from the Freedom Of Information Act, ask yourself why is this ? Would they admit to being poor value for money ?
Then there's other budgets that have to pay for them, such as Police security, travel, state visits, renovation of their many homes, etc
Of course no other HoS has any security or travels or hold state visits do they?

Here's something for you to think about... all those other countries that have became a republic haven't gone back to being a monarchy. Surely that tells you something. (Spain went back to a Monarchy through violent force, when General Franco overthrew the democratically elected republic)
If we were to colonise a new planet today, would we have a monarchy? Where one person is unelected, never has to work (or contribute), yet gets to live a wealthier and more privileged lifestyle than everyone else ?
Pure whatiffery

Contrary to what people may have inferred from this thread, I am no raving Royalist. I really don't give them a thought. I just asked the people on here with Republican views to explain how we, sorry I, would benefit from a change.

You would live in a fairer more equitable society, if you don't think that's a benefit, how about if some ancient law was dredged up that made Bianchimoon and family on a par, property, wealth, privileges, private access to ministers to lobby for laws to be changed to suit my agenda. Would you object?

How much more equitable would it make society for one family to be replaced. What difference would it make to anyone at large?
More whatiffery.

bianchimoon

Do you know how much private (illegal) lobbying prince charlie has done and is still is doing? You happy that he has the 'power' to influence government like that?

David Cameron’s last government attempted to veto the release. In 2012 the then attorney general, Dominic Grieve, warned they “would be seriously damaging to his role as future monarch because, if he forfeits his position of political neutrality as heir to the throne, he cannot easily recover it when he is king”.

the government spent £400,000 to try and block the release. £400,000 that could have been spent on something on the side of a bus!

ballysmate

bianchimoon wrote:

Do you know how much private (illegal) lobbying prince charlie has done and is still is doing? You happy that he has the 'power' to influence government like that?

David Cameron’s last government attempted to veto the release. In 2012 the then attorney general, Dominic Grieve, warned they “would be seriously damaging to his role as future monarch because, if he forfeits his position of political neutrality as heir to the throne, he cannot easily recover it when he is king”.

the government spent £400,000 to try and block the release. £400,000 that could have been spent on something on the side of a bus!

AFAIK, it is within the gift of the PM, or anyone else come to that, to advise Charles to keep his big nose (or ears) out and would expect such advice to be administered.

bianchimoon

HaHa can just imagine TM trying to keep Charlie in check, after all she does such an great job keeping her subordinates in check, Charlie always has gone direct to ministers in a various departments to lobby for his interests even his ridiculous homeopathy lobbying to the NHS. There's a reason queen is still working at 90.. it's to stop chas becoming king and the ensuing calamities he will cause. He'll be a bonus to the republican movement

ben@31

bianchimoon wrote:

the government spent £400,000 to try and block the release. £400,000 that could have been spent on something on the side of a bus!

It makes me wonder where all this money ends up?
Its not just a figure that magically disappears, but money has to end in someones bank account.

ben@31

Ballysmate,

When you say there's no benefit from a republic. Don't you have any morals or ethics ?

And is "whatiffery" another way of saying we have a good point that you don't like and have no way of debating?

If the royals find it such a hardship to get paid £millions to smile for a camera. I'm more than happy to swap jobs. If they don't like it they can do my work, my hours, on my salary and pay the same bills.

ballysmate

ben@31 wrote:

Ballysmate,

Don't you have any morals or ethics ?

And is "whatiffery" another way of saying we have a good point that you don't like and have no way of debating?

No morals or ethics? For asking people who advocate a change of government model how it would benefit us? :?

The whatiffery? I concede I should have said, "Howaboutery" but I will answer.

Bianchi posted

how about if some ancient law was dredged up that made Bianchimoon and family on a par, property, wealth, privileges, private access to ministers to lobby for laws to be changed to suit my agenda. Would you object?

We are talking about replacing the Hos, so if by chance it was discovered that Bianchi was the rightful heir, he would become HoS. One monarch would replace another one and I suspect it would affect me not one jot.

trivial_poursuivant

Surrey Commuter wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

Mr Goo wrote:

Excellent news everyone. .......

IT'S A WINDSOR WEDDING !


Anyhow. What the f**k is Harry doing marrying Markel. I thought she was Chancellor of Germany, and possibly married. Does her husband know? And is this a stealthy, fiendish German plot to subvert Brexit.

Jermans in the monarchaicy.. whatever next!

it does amaze me how may people do not realise their royal family is German.

and not for the faint hearted - Victoria and Albert were first cousins :shock:

and that ladies and gentlemen is why after having the best education that money can buy that Harry had to cheat to pass A level art.

Do you realise how misguided that comment is? Last monarch born in Germany was George II. 300 years and 6 generations ago. Ever other one since was born in the UK. The Queen was born in England, so we’re both her parents. Victoria although having a German mother was born in England and her father was English who father in turn was George III. Elizabeth II has no Germans on either side for 2 generations (parents or Grandparents) so going 2 generations down to William & Harry they are 1/4th Greek before they are anywhere near been German.

ballysmate

Is there something wrong with being German?
Does SC want to send them back?
Perhaps he could put them on a bus.

surrey_commuter

orraloon wrote:

^ SC, you do realise this is Harry we are discussing?

Yep Harry Saxe-Coburg

Or if he had taken his Grandfathers name something even more German

ballysmate

Surrey Commuter wrote:

orraloon wrote:

^ SC, you do realise this is Harry we are discussing?

Yep Harry Saxe-Coburg

Or if he had taken his Grandfathers name something even more German

Whoosh!!

surrey_commuter

Trivial poursuivant wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

Mr Goo wrote:

Excellent news everyone. .......

IT'S A WINDSOR WEDDING !


Anyhow. What the f**k is Harry doing marrying Markel. I thought she was Chancellor of Germany, and possibly married. Does her husband know? And is this a stealthy, fiendish German plot to subvert Brexit.

Jermans in the monarchaicy.. whatever next!

it does amaze me how may people do not realise their royal family is German.

and not for the faint hearted - Victoria and Albert were first cousins :shock:

and that ladies and gentlemen is why after having the best education that money can buy that Harry had to cheat to pass A level art.

Do you realise how misguided that comment is? Last monarch born in Germany was George II. 300 years and 6 generations ago. Ever other one since was born in the UK. The Queen was born in England, so we’re both her parents. Victoria although having a German mother was born in England and her father was English who father in turn was George III. Elizabeth II has no Germans on either side for 2 generations (parents or Grandparents) so going 2 generations down to William & Harry they are 1/4th Greek before they are anywhere near been German.

You missed out Victoria's husband
You sure Philip is Greek or was he de-Germaned to help public opinion

mamba80

why does she have to be baptised & became British? Harry is just asking for a repeat of what happened to his mother, be your own man, stop be a Royal pawn, you ll never be king, so fcuk off and enjoy your lives.

ballysmate

mamba80 wrote:

why does she have to be baptised & became British? Harry is just asking for a repeat of what happened to his mother, be your own man, stop be a Royal pawn, you ll never be king, so fcuk off and enjoy your lives.

I assume by becoming British she will fin it easier to travel around Europe on an EU passport..... If only for a few months.

rjsterry

mamba80 wrote:

why does she have to be baptised & became British? Harry is just asking for a repeat of what happened to his mother, be your own man, stop be a Royal pawn, you ll never be king, so fcuk off and enjoy your lives.

Not that unusual when people get married and one of the two has strong religious beliefs and is from another country. Just maybe she wanted to.

trivial_poursuivant

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Trivial poursuivant wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

Mr Goo wrote:

Excellent news everyone. .......

IT'S A WINDSOR WEDDING !


Anyhow. What the f**k is Harry doing marrying Markel. I thought she was Chancellor of Germany, and possibly married. Does her husband know? And is this a stealthy, fiendish German plot to subvert Brexit.

Jermans in the monarchaicy.. whatever next!

it does amaze me how may people do not realise their royal family is German.

and not for the faint hearted - Victoria and Albert were first cousins :shock:

and that ladies and gentlemen is why after having the best education that money can buy that Harry had to cheat to pass A level art.

Do you realise how misguided that comment is? Last monarch born in Germany was George II. 300 years and 6 generations ago. Ever other one since was born in the UK. The Queen was born in England, so we’re both her parents. Victoria although having a German mother was born in England and her father was English who father in turn was George III. Elizabeth II has no Germans on either side for 2 generations (parents or Grandparents) so going 2 generations down to William & Harry they are 1/4th Greek before they are anywhere near been German.

You missed out Victoria's husband

Nothing to do with it. As I said Queen has no german parents/grandparents. That means she isn’t German. There are probably a hell of a lot of people who consider themselves British who will have a much more diverse background than Liz. And as for Phil. His nationality has no bearing on the Queens.