Pinarello Project

Kelvin220291

Hi all,

New to the forum, I have inherited a 2009? Pinarello Prince Carbon Frame.

I plan to build a custom bike.

Now, I have been looking at groupsets, mainly Campagnolo, are all types of groupsets compatible with the frame? or do I need to purchase a specific set? I was looking at the Chorus or Athena sets.

Thanks in advance.

Kelvin220291

Anyone?

Apologies if it sounds like a n00b question, but everyone has to start somewhere.

paul_the_pedaller

The only real variable you'll have is the bottom bracket, as long as that is available in the type you need you can go on from there. I've had bikes with Athena, Chorus and Record, if it was mine I think I'd go for Chorus mechanical. Good luck with the project and don't forget the pictures!

Matthewfalle

Yup - double check the bottom bracket type and get the matching crank for the bottom bracket but otherwise everything mechanical will fit. Same vote here for Chorus mechanical.

Kelvin220291

Really appreciate the replies fellas.

I have thought about buying each individual item separately, so I quickly googled athena vs chorus and a few people have said, get chorus shifters and mechs and then athena brakes - what is your opinion on this?

Matthewfalle

No harm at all in buying each bit separately - spreads the cost and means that you can pick up bits in clearances/ex display for dirt cheap.

If you're going for Athena brakes just make sure the pull ratios work - I must admit that Imwould either look for Record in the sales or go Chorus to match all. Why go for Jo Brand when you can go for Jo Guest?

Kelvin220291

Thanks for the reply.

I see where you're coming from, so I will keep an eye out.

Are there any components you would risk buying second hand, and some of them you would avoid?

Thanks

Matthewfalle

So long as they aren't knackered I'd buy anything second hand if the price/condition was right.

I'd avoid cassettes, chains, chainrings and brake pads though. Maybe ignore bb and headset bearings unless they are very low mileage.

No point buying a lot of this stuff second hand though - search around and you'll get bargains - for example, chainsets:

https://www.merlincycles.com/fulcrum-r- ... 46301.html

£279 saving for something that is, I believe, made by Campagnolo anyway. I have two of these and they are lovely - really stiff, light, look good.

You can't buy a chainring for £99 today......l

Record chain is what, £25 and then wait for the January sales?

The_Wicker_Man

BB will probably be Italian threaded cups

Matthewfalle

https://www.merlincycles.com/campagnolo ... 92915.html

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/je/e ... -prod25576

Booom. £300 saving on SR 11.

Or use Italian ultra tourque bb as above with Fulcrum cranks as above.

Or

Matthewfalle

Skeleton brakes are a lot cheaper than Chorus and I can't really see the difference save for 12g in weight.

I have some and fine them to work just as good as Ultegra/DA.

Ben6899

Kelvin220291 wrote:

Are there any components you would risk buying second hand, and some of them you would avoid?

Thanks

I bought a whole SRAM Red groupset (in instalments) second hand. No problem.

I'm looking forward to seeing this built up. The Prince is a wonderful frameset.

Matthewfalle

If you know the provenance of the stuff then no problem to do as Ben says but there are enough threads right across the tinternet asking how to repair shifters that I personally couldn't be bothered doing it (cue irate Ugo explosion).

By the time you've bought the 2nd hand shifter and new cables, wasted time fitting it to find out its broken, taken it off, scratched head, posted, tinkered, ordered new parts, tinkered, posted, tinkered, fitted again new cables to replace the new ones that got bigger red taking the broken shifter apart, etc, You may as well spend the extra in the clearance/sales and buy new.

Kelvin220291

Thanks for the responses fellas,

I have got some Skeleton brakes on order new for xmas from my bro, I've also got my eye on a chorus crank.

I see where you're coming from regarding cassette, I will definitely look out for them in the sales.

I'll get some pictures tonight, I knew it would be light but couldn't believe how light it was !


Thanks again,

Matthewfalle

No worries - pleasure to help.

Re cassette - Record is ridiculously expensive but you could drop down a couple of rungs to whatever is below Chorus nowadays but still run a Record chain as they are so cheap. Only penalty will be 50g or so that you can get back easily (set of Planet X ti/carbon skewers at £20 odd will get the weight back, work really well and look pukka).

Looking forward to pictures.

Get some nice deep rims and tubs on it, slam da stem, be lovely.

Kelvin220291

Thanks for that, I'm not really after the lightest bike ever, it's only a coincidence that I've inherited a carbon bike.

I would like to know which are the best wheels to get?

Thanks

Matthewfalle

Nooooooo! Don't start that debate!

What are you going to do with the bike - just ride and be cool, sportives, race? Budget?

Few threads in the buying advice section have discussed this but something as sweet as a Prince I would only put deep rim carbons on it with tubs (cue shouty posts saying that I'm wrong)..........

Remember when you start looking around you'll need either a Campag hub or a Shimano/SRAM hub Campag spaced cassette (which isn't a major problem - £30 or so from Miche through Merlin Cycles or similar. I have one on Dirk and it works perfect.


Bora 50s Pwhhhhoooooaaaarrrr

rolf_f

Matthewfalle wrote:

If you're going for Athena brakes just make sure the pull ratios work

Brakes are just levers. No need to overthink them. They'll work.

Kelvin220291

Matthewfalle wrote:

Nooooooo! Don't start that debate!

What are you going to do with the bike - just ride and be cool, sportives, race? Budget?

Few threads in the buying advice section have discussed this but something as sweet as a Prince I would only put deep rim carbons on it with tubs (cue shouty posts saying that I'm wrong)..........

Remember when you start looking around you'll need either a Campag hub or a Shimano/SRAM hub Campag spaced cassette (which isn't a major problem - £30 or so from Miche through Merlin Cycles or similar. I have one on Dirk and it works perfect.


Bora 50s Pwhhhhoooooaaaarrrr

Just casual rides and the occasional Sportive really. Crikey those wheels look good and are pricey !!

Matthewfalle

In that case, deep rim 50 or 60s: Planet X, Hunt, Carbonzone, etc. Pick them up for about £400.

Just make it as cool as phuck and stuff practicality and dullards who say nay.

Kelvin220291

Okay great I’ll look into those wheels aswell, noticed lots of Fulcrums - what are they like?

Also will get some pictures when I’m on a computer

Matthewfalle

fulcrums are fine - standard factory built wheels - no better or worse than equivalents from manufacturers like Mavic, etc.

quality of components/lightness/etc gets better as you go up the range but thats par for the course.

Kelvin220291

I'll look into them as well then







Some pictures as requested

Matthewfalle

no piccies dude - photo bucket don't work any more.....

Kelvin220291

Feck. How do I get pictures on dude?

Matthewfalle

I use photo box - works a treat and is free.

https://www.photobox.co.uk

Kelvin220291

https://www.photobox.co.uk/my/photo?alb ... 0233510958

https://www.photobox.co.uk/my/photo?pho ... 5119677575

https://www.photobox.co.uk/my/photo?pho ... 5119677575

Could only do links for the time being

Matthewfalle

Cannot access album.

You need to log in, go to the picture and off hand there is a drop down box that will give you some options about posting the picture somewhere - copy and paste the little drop down link here.

Kelvin220291

Sorry for the late reply

I've tried to look at the picture but can't see any option to post onto a forum, any advise?

Thanks

Kelvin220291

Woo sorted ! I got it sorted with imgbb

Ben6899

Ah man, that is lovely. As I said, I love the Prince frameset!