Whats going to happen to all the non disc brake bikes?

on-yer-bike
on-yer-bike Posts: 2,974
edited January 2018 in Road general
British Cycling have now approved discs for all their races so that's one more nail in the coffin for rim brakes. In a year's time is there going to be a glut of cheap new and second hand rim brake super bikes on the market? Even the most ardent rim brake cyclists will slowly buckle under the pressure.
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  • cld531c
    cld531c Posts: 517
    I doubt it
  • sloppyschleckonds
    sloppyschleckonds Posts: 8,019
    ^
    Whs
    I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles
  • fat daddy
    fat daddy Posts: 2,605
    does it matter ?

    eventually all the old people that remember rim brakes will have died and all that will be left is the generation that only know disk brakes.

    The world wont end and there will just be disc bikes ..... until the new money making scheme comes along.
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    on-yer-bike wrote:
    British Cycling have now approved discs for all their races so that's one more nail in the coffin for rim brakes. In a year's time is there going to be a glut of cheap new and second hand rim brake super bikes on the market? Even the most ardent rim brake cyclists will slowly buckle under the pressure.

    Sorry mate, that's just nonsense.

    Disc and canti bikes both compete on equal terms in CX - and disc and caliper bikes will both compete equally on the road as well. As in CX, there may be some races where one type has a small advantage over the other, but riders win races, not bikes - and that won't change in 2018 (or any other year) simply because disc bikes are now legal.
  • reformedfatty
    reformedfatty Posts: 543
    Last time I checked you could still buy (rubbish) mountain bikes with V-brakes or worse, despite discs being around in competition since what? 1997 maybe?
  • on-yer-bike
    on-yer-bike Posts: 2,974
    I was more referring to the marketing pressure. Many cyclists wont be seen dead with rim brakes soon whether they are necessary or not. I suspect there are some cyclists who justify rim brakes to themselves on the basis that the pros still use them, but that will all change soon.
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  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    on-yer-bike wrote:
    I was more referring to the marketing pressure. Many cyclists wont be seen dead with rim brakes soon whether they are necessary or not.

    Marketing pressure works well on the weak-minded. The kind of people that 'wouldn't be seen dead with rim brakes' probably won't be lining up for races anytime soon...
  • cougie
    cougie Posts: 22,512
    Mehhh. My rim brakes have been fine for me for the last 35 years of cycling. I've no need to update them and render all my bikes and wheels obsolete.

    Maybe one day if that's all you can buy but I'm happy with my bikes currently.
  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    Best news ever! I can now legally ride my disc road bike through next year's sportive racing season!

    Disc road bikes are ace. All that modulation. I love it!
  • redvision
    redvision Posts: 2,958
    on-yer-bike wrote:
    Many cyclists wont be seen dead with rim brakes soon whether they are necessary or not.

    The counter argument is just as strong though.
    I know many riders who will not never consider riding a bike with disc brakes.

    It is a similar scenario to electronic and non electronic groupsets. Some people love di2 and etap etc while others prefer to stick to mechanical.

    There is a market for both and until that changes both will continue to be ridden.

    Personally I will stick to rim brakes because imo discs make bikes look ugly. :)
  • bondurant
    bondurant Posts: 858
    Apart from anything most people cannot afford to drop hundreds or thousands on a new bike just because another way of braking will be allowed in races.
  • arthur_scrimshaw
    arthur_scrimshaw Posts: 2,596
    I don't ride fast enough to be braking a lot and don't race. Maybe like lots of cyclists?
    Anyway I have bikes with both and love them all, when I'm riding I don't give it a moments thought whether it's got disc or rim brakes. So no, I won't be flogging off my rim braked bikes and if others see fit to sell off expensive bikes for peanuts then that's great, I'll be in line with some cash.
  • w00dster
    w00dster Posts: 880
    This is BC saying for racing from 2018 disc brake bikes are allowed, my post is from a racing perspective.
    As someone who rides hydraulic disc brake bikes, I personally don't feel they necessary for the vast majority of races here in the UK. In fact I would be at a small disadvantage riding my disc brake bike compared to a rim brake bike of similar cost.
    There is a huge difference between riding downhill on a mountain bike or a CX course and racing a closed circuit crit or a race on UK roads.
    There is a genuine reason why people who race want lightweight bikes (sub 7kgs) and their bikes to be as aero as possible. For the majority of people who race we already put time into our training, into our diet and we already spend a fair bit of time and effort into making our bikes as fast as possible. Why would we then take a backward step just to have brakes that modulate better?
    I have never once thought mid-race "you know, I wish I had my disc brakes". I can see the benefit for some rides but not for races.
    Now that being said, its a good move by BC as it opens up the racing community to people who may be fairly new to riding and only have disc brakes and also to people who have moved to disc only. I just don't see many of the existing racers going out and getting disc brake bikes.
    We have a winter / spring series where I may use my aluminium winter bike with hydraulic discs. But that bike is over 9kgs compared to last seasons rim brake bike that was 6.7kgs. I won't be racing with discs because its necessary, only because I sold last season's bike and haven't replaced it yet.
    Crashes in races happen for a multitude of reasons, I'm not sure that disc brakes will really make much difference. We will still come off taking corners quicker than the tyres can grip, we will still lose concentration and touch wheels with the rider in front, we will still have 60 blokes riding at max intensity for the duration of the race.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,345
    on-yer-bike wrote:
    I was more referring to the marketing pressure. Many cyclists wont be seen dead with rim brakes soon whether they are necessary or not. I suspect there are some cyclists who justify rim brakes to themselves on the basis that the pros still use them, but that will all change soon.
    Those people are mugs.
    I have better things to spend money on.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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  • lostboysaint
    lostboysaint Posts: 4,250
    PBlakeney wrote:
    on-yer-bike wrote:
    I was more referring to the marketing pressure. Many cyclists wont be seen dead with rim brakes soon whether they are necessary or not. I suspect there are some cyclists who justify rim brakes to themselves on the basis that the pros still use them, but that will all change soon.
    Those people are mugs.
    I have better things to spend money on.

    Like, for example, wheel rims?! ;)
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  • bondurant
    bondurant Posts: 858
    Hmmmm...new wheel rims or a completely new bike. I wonder what's most affordable.
  • on-yer-bike
    on-yer-bike Posts: 2,974
    If succumbing to intensive marketing makes a person a mug then most people are mugs. According to the owner of Speedplay, Richard Byrne, discs are the best thing that ever happened to bikes not because of the stopping but because they get rid of rim brakes. This allows frames to be designed differently and much bigger tyres to be used.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,345
    lostboysaint wrote:
    PBlakeney wrote:
    on-yer-bike wrote:
    I was more referring to the marketing pressure. Many cyclists wont be seen dead with rim brakes soon whether they are necessary or not. I suspect there are some cyclists who justify rim brakes to themselves on the basis that the pros still use them, but that will all change soon.
    Those people are mugs.
    I have better things to spend money on.

    Like, for example, wheel rims?! ;)
    Plus a few holidays... :wink:
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • redvision
    redvision Posts: 2,958
    on-yer-bike wrote:
    ...they get rid of rim brakes. This allows frames to be designed differently and much bigger tyres to be used.

    And makes frames cheaper for the manufacturer to produce yet prices to the consumer do not reflect this.

    Simply put if disc brakes were the holy grail upgrade every one would have disc brakes. But the margins are debatable and that is the reason many will happily continue to ride rim brakes (including some pro riders and teams).
  • charlie_potatoes
    charlie_potatoes Posts: 1,921
    Wonder who received the discreet brown envelope? Someone at BC will be giving their kids a nice Xmas this year.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,345
    Charlie Potatoes wrote:
    Wonder who received the discreet brown envelope? Someone at BC will be giving their kids a nice Xmas this year.
    New bikes? :lol::lol::lol:
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • cookeeemonster
    cookeeemonster Posts: 1,991
    Marketing smarketing.

    I'm sorry but no. 99.9% of the marketing claims people put on here is rubbish, and is written by people who have an axe to grind and nothing else.

    Discs are better for some things, the same for others. People buy them usually for a reason ie wet weather riding/commuting and so on or because they don't really care either way and a bike they like has them. No one suddenly dumps all their bikes because of a poster with a disc bike on it, or Kittle wins on one or something.

    People are getting peed off because we're being given more choice and bike manufacturers are trying to move their products forward from the 19th century. No one is being forced to buy anything and no one has to constantly moan.

    Chill People! And ride!
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    on-yer-bike wrote:
    If succumbing to intensive marketing makes a person a mug then most people are mugs. According to the owner of Speedplay, Richard Byrne, discs are the best thing that ever happened to bikes not because of the stopping but because they get rid of rim brakes. This allows frames to be designed differently and much bigger tyres to be used.

    Byrne sounds a bit distracted. Rim brakes have never restricted tyre width. Someone should tell him that.
  • Matthewfalle
    Matthewfalle Posts: 17,380
    Please can I have first dibs on all the out dated rubbish technology rim brakes bikes? I fancy a new Look so may track one down with rim brakes that they are to throw out because it's outdated and rubbish and chuck them a tenner for it.

    If it's got a mechanical groupset on it - say something rubbish like Super Record or Rec they Amy even pay me to take it away.......
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • sungod
    sungod Posts: 17,375
    Whats going to happen to all the non disc brake bikes?

    they will be ridden, with great style and distinction, by people of impeccable taste
    my bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,345
    Matthewfalle wrote:
    Please can I have first dibs on all the out dated rubbish technology rim brakes bikes? I fancy a new Look so may track one down with rim brakes that they are to throw out because it's outdated and rubbish and chuck them a tenner for it.

    If it's got a mechanical groupset on it - say something rubbish like Super Record or Rec they Amy even pay me to take it away.......
    Baggsy second dibs.
    Although I was looking at a Time, or even a Passoni. :lol:
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • DavidJB
    DavidJB Posts: 2,019
    Yes mate, I'm gonna throw my TCR Advanced SL0 on the rubbish skip and my Zipp 404 firecrest/Campag bora's just so I can race with disc brakes on the 1st of January.

    orrr...............you'll see a few disc bikes next season with them becoming slowly more common over the years. Stop trolling, it's a poor effort at best.
  • mamba80
    mamba80 Posts: 5,032
    I wonder when ABS will come along, c/w a new wheel standard, say a 31 er ?
  • keith57
    keith57 Posts: 164
    “It’s not about the bike”

    :wink:
    http://www.fachwen.org
    https://www.strava.com/athletes/303457

    Please note: I’ll no longer engage deeply with anonymous forum users :D
  • redvee
    redvee Posts: 11,922
    On the strength of that news I've just bought some new rotors for my bike.

    Festool_496302v2.jpg?w=1280&h=960&scale=both:lol:
    I've added a signature to prove it is still possible.

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