Di2

imatfaal

meanredspider wrote:

MTB-Idle wrote:

meanredspider wrote:

I think I read (well, I did, but I'm not sure on the complete accuracy) that said that the entire Pro peloton was using electronic this year and the DA Di2 won every stage and every jersey. In a year when discs were allowed and won 5 stages (nothing specifically to do with discs but a landmark all the same) I'm happy.

The thing I'm surprised about is how little impact eTap has made on the Pro peloton - just 1 team.

I appreciate that is unverified but those are some great stats. I'm 'avin that and sharing it meself!

Here's my reference

http://road.cc/content/tech-news/226557 ... and-jersey

And I need to correct myself that there were 2 SRAM teams, (3 Campag and 17 Shimano) - I had read elsewhere that there was only one eTap team.

At least some of Wanty Group Gobert were running mechanical - one of the poor buggers stranded off the front for hours I think. But I am sure I noticed mechanical derailleur on at least one WGG rider

ryan_w-2

Having used Etap and Di2, I can safely say that Di2 is superior IMO.

Faster shifting, better ergonomics, just pure silk and an enjoyment to ride with. I have mine on 'race' mode which means it'll drop from 28-11 on the back in about 1.5 seconds.

cruff

Wrath Rob wrote:

meanredspider wrote:

I can go one better than forgetting to recharge the battery. I once set off on a ride and cursed my Di2 because it had stopped working.

And then I realised the battery (external) was still on the charger in the garage :oops: Fortunately I'd set off from home so just turned around and rode back (bizarrely) hoping no-one had spotted my stupidity

Went to a race with a few club mates, one unpacked his car, assembled his bike, looked down, swore then disassembled his bike and re-packed the car. No Di2 battery :roll:

I've just got a new bike with Di2. Its one of those things that you don't need, but once you've got it, everything else immediately feels incredibly agricultural and last century.

I can go one better (or worse) even than that - had my new bike a couple of weeks and was loving the di2 (without really bothering to RTFM). Raced a couple of Saturdays ago and cleaned & tidied the bike up the night before - get to the race late cos of traffic and have no warm-up, sign on and rush to start line only to find myself stuck in 53x11... Was attritional for a couple of laps, each time an attack went or there was a sharp corner I lost 10 places - eventually got spat on the third lap and sat up, cursing the di2 as a massive waste of money. Took me five minutes doing the Stan Laurel head scratch by the side of the road before figuring out I'd managed to pull the cables out of the little junction box whilst fettling...

True Layer 8 FAIL

meanredspider

imatfaal wrote:

At least some of Wanty Group Gobert were running mechanical - one of the poor buggers stranded off the front for hours I think. But I am sure I noticed mechanical derailleur on at least one WGG rider

Yeah - I can believe there was hence covering my statement with a bit of a disclaimer.

meursault

Ryan_W wrote:

Having used Etap and Di2, I can safely say that Di2 is superior IMO.

Faster shifting, better ergonomics, just pure silk and an enjoyment to ride with. I have mine on 'race' mode which means it'll drop from 28-11 on the back in about 1.5 seconds.

There are modes?

Ahhh Etube project, I'm getting there, but like my cycling, very slowly.

veronese68

CiB wrote:

I had some major issues with mine but it was eventually resolved and they've now worked flawlessly since, about 2 years ago and in total about 5 years since they were first fitted. I love them ...

One of the most bizarre threads I have ever seen on here was the one in which CiB said this but some lunatic got the right hump and called him a liar and all sorts of other things claiming CiB was some sort of di2 hater in spite of the fact he kept saying how much he loved it in spite of the issues he'd had. It really was quite surreal. Thankfully I believe the aforementioned lunatic has been banned having done similar on many threads.
Never tried it myself. Probably best that I don't as I might like it.

meanredspider

Veronese68 wrote:

Never tried it myself. Probably best that I don't as I might like it.

I've had the same thoughts about cocaine :twisted:

meanredspider

meursault wrote:

Ahhh Etube project, I'm getting there, but like my cycling, very slowly.

I keep thinking about messing about with mine but, honestly, it does just what I need and I'm afraid I'll just mess with it for the sake of messing with it. The only change I'd make now is to set my shifters on the older systems I have to continuous shifting like it is on the 11sp - mostly just for consistency. What I love about Di2 is subliminal shifting and riding without thinking about it. When I swap bikes and they are different, it makes me need to think

slowmonkey

I have just upgraded my Groupset. Ultegra di2. Just wow. The difference is just night and day. Only had a quick 5 mile spin today in between showers, but very impressed so far. Off out for a nice ride tomorrow...

Question. How many clicks does one full battery charge hold? Estimated?

Will certainly be investing in the Bluetooth module so I can play with E-Tube and fine tune synchro shift options etc.

veronese68

meanredspider wrote:

Veronese68 wrote:

Never tried it myself. Probably best that I don't as I might like it.

I've had the same thoughts about cocaine :twisted:

Meh, tried that and it's definitely overrated. I wasn't cycling at the time though.

meanredspider

slowmonkey wrote:

Question. How many clicks does one full battery charge hold? Estimated?

Will certainly be investing in the Bluetooth module so I can play with E-Tube and fine tune synchro shift options etc.

Is it 1000-1500 shifts but typically a couple of months. Rarely needs charging.

If you have a PC and internal battery, you can start playing today.

meanredspider

Veronese68 wrote:

meanredspider wrote:

Veronese68 wrote:

Never tried it myself. Probably best that I don't as I might like it.

I've had the same thoughts about cocaine :twisted:

Meh, tried that and it's definitely overrated. I wasn't cycling at the time though.

I'll keep telling myself that...

slowmonkey

meanredspider wrote:

slowmonkey wrote:

Question. How many clicks does one full battery charge hold? Estimated?

Will certainly be investing in the Bluetooth module so I can play with E-Tube and fine tune synchro shift options etc.

Is it 1000-1500 shifts but typically a couple of months. Rarely needs charging.

If you have a PC and internal battery, you can start playing today.

Thanks for that!

Mac household here, no Mac version is there, from what I can see?

May well bring work laptop home so I can play though...

meanredspider

Yup - I'm mostly a Mac person too but luckily have one of the kids' old PC laptops kicking around for some of the car racing stuff I have that only runs on PC. The idea of connecting via BT is nice though.

paulwood

slowmonkey wrote:

meanredspider wrote:

slowmonkey wrote:

Question. How many clicks does one full battery charge hold? Estimated?

Will certainly be investing in the Bluetooth module so I can play with E-Tube and fine tune synchro shift options etc.

Is it 1000-1500 shifts but typically a couple of months. Rarely needs charging.

If you have a PC and internal battery, you can start playing today.

Thanks for that!

Mac household here, no Mac version is there, from what I can see?

May well bring work laptop home so I can play though...

Had it in my head that a version of E-Tube runs on iPad and iPhone

meanredspider

paulwood wrote:

slowmonkey wrote:

meanredspider wrote:

slowmonkey wrote:

Question. How many clicks does one full battery charge hold? Estimated?

Will certainly be investing in the Bluetooth module so I can play with E-Tube and fine tune synchro shift options etc.

Is it 1000-1500 shifts but typically a couple of months. Rarely needs charging.

If you have a PC and internal battery, you can start playing today.

Thanks for that!

Mac household here, no Mac version is there, from what I can see?

May well bring work laptop home so I can play though...

Had it in my head that a version of E-Tube runs on iPad and iPhone

It does - but you need to add BT capability to your Di2 system. This might be as simple as a BT module but might include a different battery system too (not sure why - I guess some more hardware is required to integrate the BT module). That might be pretty expensive whereas a PC and the standard internal battery charger could be free.

ryan_w-2

To use E-Tube Project on an iPhone/Pad, you need the Shimano EW-WU111 module and the new internal battery, the Shimano BT-DN110...

meanredspider

Ryan_W wrote:

To use E-Tube Project on an iPhone/Pad, you need the Shimano EW-WU111 module and the new internal battery, the Shimano BT-DN110...

Without wanting to appear a pedant, that's one of the ways to incorporate BT. There are other components that will do the job too but broadly fit into the category of BT module and battery. [/pedant]

imatfaal

You can also use the more expensive of the XTR Di2 MTB handlebar displays as a BT connexion (not much more expensive than the wireless adaptor and you get battery readout, gear selection, and shifting method displayed). I think for e-tube of any sort you need one of the newer batteries as that has the brains of the system

meursault

meanredspider wrote:

meursault wrote:

Ahhh Etube project, I'm getting there, but like my cycling, very slowly.

I keep thinking about messing about with mine but, honestly, it does just what I need and I'm afraid I'll just mess with it for the sake of messing with it. The only change I'd make now is to set my shifters on the older systems I have to continuous shifting like it is on the 11sp - mostly just for consistency. What I love about Di2 is subliminal shifting and riding without thinking about it. When I swap bikes and they are different, it makes me need to think

Pardon my ignorance.

I need a bluetooth module for phone, android in my case, but I can connect laptop windows now?

meanredspider

meursault wrote:

meanredspider wrote:

meursault wrote:

Ahhh Etube project, I'm getting there, but like my cycling, very slowly.

I keep thinking about messing about with mine but, honestly, it does just what I need and I'm afraid I'll just mess with it for the sake of messing with it. The only change I'd make now is to set my shifters on the older systems I have to continuous shifting like it is on the 11sp - mostly just for consistency. What I love about Di2 is subliminal shifting and riding without thinking about it. When I swap bikes and they are different, it makes me need to think

Pardon my ignorance.

I need a bluetooth module for phone, android in my case, but I can connect laptop windows now?

Yes - provided you have an internal battery charger that plugs into the junction box.

If so, download the software from Shimano onto your PC (and, probably, the drivers) - search on "eTube Project"

Then connect your computer to your bike with a USB cable from computer to charger.

meursault

meanredspider wrote:

meursault wrote:

meanredspider wrote:

meursault wrote:

Ahhh Etube project, I'm getting there, but like my cycling, very slowly.

I keep thinking about messing about with mine but, honestly, it does just what I need and I'm afraid I'll just mess with it for the sake of messing with it. The only change I'd make now is to set my shifters on the older systems I have to continuous shifting like it is on the 11sp - mostly just for consistency. What I love about Di2 is subliminal shifting and riding without thinking about it. When I swap bikes and they are different, it makes me need to think

Pardon my ignorance.

I need a bluetooth module for phone, android in my case, but I can connect laptop windows now?

Yes - provided you have an internal battery charger that plugs into the junction box.

If so, download the software from Shimano onto your PC (and, probably, the drivers) - search on "eTube Project"

Then connect your computer to your bike with a USB cable from computer to charger.

Cheers!

Erm what is an 'internal' battery charger. I have sm-bcr2

ryan_w-2

meursault wrote:

meanredspider wrote:

meursault wrote:

meanredspider wrote:

meursault wrote:

Ahhh Etube project, I'm getting there, but like my cycling, very slowly.

I keep thinking about messing about with mine but, honestly, it does just what I need and I'm afraid I'll just mess with it for the sake of messing with it. The only change I'd make now is to set my shifters on the older systems I have to continuous shifting like it is on the 11sp - mostly just for consistency. What I love about Di2 is subliminal shifting and riding without thinking about it. When I swap bikes and they are different, it makes me need to think

Pardon my ignorance.

I need a bluetooth module for phone, android in my case, but I can connect laptop windows now?

Yes - provided you have an internal battery charger that plugs into the junction box.

If so, download the software from Shimano onto your PC (and, probably, the drivers) - search on "eTube Project"

Then connect your computer to your bike with a USB cable from computer to charger.

Cheers!

Erm what is an 'internal' battery charger. I have sm-bcr2

The lead you use to charge via the front junction box.

meanredspider

Yes - it's the charger for the internal battery that plugs into the junction box

The alternative is the charger for the external battery that the battery sits on to be charged off the bike.

secretsam

Rick Chasey wrote:

My understanding of pro use of DI2 is the advantage they have over where the shifters can be placed. There's a lot of gluing and taping shifter buttons wherever the riders want it.

I do however notice that there are probably one or two instances a race of the DI2 failing somewhere in the peloton; something I don't remember seeing that ever happen with cable kit.

It makes sense; it's much more complex.

Plus it weighs more, which matters when you need to hit the 6.8kg limit (bizarre, I know).

Me? I would try Etap. So clever.

meanredspider

SecretSam wrote:

Plus it weighs more, which matters when you need to hit the 6.8kg limit (bizarre, I know).

Me? I would try Etap. So clever.

Yes Di2 weighs a massive 35g more. And, according to everything I've read, no-one hits the 6.8kg limit.

I'm not sure what's so clever about eTap - it's lighter than Di2 but 17 teams in the TdF were running Di2, 3 teams Campag's electronic system, and only 2 teams SRAM (and I read somewhere only one team on eTap but that information is confused). But it's not like wireless technology is new on bikes - my Garmin Radar rear light, my Stages PM, my HRM etc are all doing things as, if not more, sophisticated from a comms point of view.

asprilla

So I'm now looking at a Di2 upgrade and I have questions.. The first being; can you upgrade any frame to di2? I'm currently riding a Canyon Endurance AL and don't want to change it. Its partially internally routed but I assume that a lack of tension means I'm going to be taping the rear mech wire along the chain stay. Also, are there grommets you can get to plug the excess space (that I assume there is) where the cables enter the down tube.?

Edit; just seen you can get an external cable set.

meanredspider

Yes - I run an external cable set on my Volagi. I use the excellent Shimano external "trunking" - it's been on there 6 years and shows no sign of coming off - I run it along the bottom of the down tube and along the bottom of the chainstay (I can send pics of my installation if it helps). And, yes, you can get frame grommets to plug holes.

roubaixmb

Hi MRS I am considering the external option too - would be great to see some pics.

davis

OK, I'm considering this for my partner's bike. She's of limited mechanical sympathy and can't often see which gear she's in.... (It's a reason, ok?).

What are the sizes of the shifters like? She's got tiny hands and she's currently only really OK with Campag Veloce which I built up into a strangely functional Shimergo frankenbike. Would consider SRAM/Shimano/Campagnolo but hand size really is the limiting factor - Ultegra calipers and KoolStop salmons operated by modified Campagnolo shifters were the only way I could get her decent braking control!