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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    He's neither fat not bald

    You said overweight. He's also doesn't present a TV show any more, though.

    I missed out Andrew Neil.

    Further to the tv presenter theme, I noticed the other day that 'Rip off Britain' is presented by three, very mature women.
    Do folks think this also constitute both sexism and ageism, or is that OK?

    It’s all about context. You know that.
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  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    I suspect that most whinging about this is being done by ugly unsuccessful blokes with minging wives and women with beards.

    The podium birds are there to add a bit of glamour to affairs. Ive been to loads of events where the only thing that stops it being an awkward end to a race on a portable stage in the wind and rain are the podium birds. Its certainly not the mayor.
  • lettingthedaysgoby
    lettingthedaysgoby Posts: 1,732
    “Birds”

    FFS...
  • salsiccia1
    salsiccia1 Posts: 3,725
    It's got to be parody.
    It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,228
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    He's neither fat not bald

    You said overweight. He's also doesn't present a TV show any more, though.

    I missed out Andrew Neil.

    Further to the tv presenter theme, I noticed the other day that 'Rip off Britain' is presented by three, very mature women.
    Do folks think this also constitute both sexism and ageism, or is that OK?

    You mean the "I noticed" bit?
  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,788
    Vino'sGhost wrote:
    I suspect that most whinging about this is being done by ugly unsuccessful blokes with minging wives and women with beards.

    The podium birds are there to add a bit of glamour to affairs. Ive been to loads of events where the only thing that stops it being an awkward end to a race on a portable stage in the wind and rain are the podium birds. Its certainly not the mayor.
    Either this is a joke, your accounts been hacked or you're a fool.
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  • shortfall
    shortfall Posts: 3,288
    Would it be awfully crass of me to ask on this thread if anyone has a link to those Simply Loveleh viral videos?

    I'll get my coat....
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  • gweeds
    gweeds Posts: 2,613
    Vino'sGhost wrote:
    I suspect that most whinging about this is being done by ugly unsuccessful blokes with minging wives and women with beards.

    The podium birds are there to add a bit of glamour to affairs. Ive been to loads of events where the only thing that stops it being an awkward end to a race on a portable stage in the wind and rain are the podium birds. Its certainly not the mayor.

    Rasputin has spoken.

    Dick.
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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,459
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    RichN95 wrote:
    - how many overweight, bald men are there presenting TV?

    So we had Greg Wallace and Dom Littlewood from British TV. It's not a great haul. And surely the obvious answer was Dara O'Briain anyway.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,228
    RichN95 wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    - how many overweight, bald men are there presenting TV?

    So we had Greg Wallace and Dom Littlewood from British TV. It's not a great haul. And surely the obvious answer was Dara O'Briain anyway.

    Now if it was overweight or bald...
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Err, come on guys.
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  • Ben6899
    Ben6899 Posts: 9,686
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    - how many overweight, bald men are there presenting TV?

    So we had Greg Wallace and Dom Littlewood from British TV. It's not a great haul. And surely the obvious answer was Dara O'Briain anyway.

    Now if it was overweight or bald...

    Richard O'Brien.

    Dara's nephew.
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  • blazing_saddles
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    TailWindHome wrote:
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    Interesting piece that touches on that piece of humour, on the Beeb's site today.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/42903658
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  • Ben6899
    Ben6899 Posts: 9,686
    It's a bit of a kick in the gooch, telling these women that they are now unemployed but to suck it up for the greater good of womankind.

    I draw parallels with evaluation of humanitarian intervention in the Third World by Western charities where "we" (the West) simply cannot wait to do "the right thing", but don't stop to think what the people in the Third World actually want from us or what works best for them.

    One has to be very careful when making decisions on behalf of someone else...
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Ben6899 wrote:
    It's a bit of a kick in the gooch, telling these women that they are now unemployed but to suck it up for the greater good of womankind.

    I draw parallels with evaluation of humanitarian intervention in the Third World by Western charities where "we" (the West) simply cannot wait to do "the right thing", but don't stop to think what the people in the Third World actually want from us or what works best for them.

    One has to be very careful when making decisions on behalf of someone else...

    It's much more basic than that.

    New owners have decided their product is improved by the removal of grid girls.

    That has co-incided with a feminist movement which has objected to things such as grid girls.
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  • Ben6899
    Ben6899 Posts: 9,686
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    a feminist movement which has objected to things such as grid girls.

    And this is where people need to be careful. I mean, it's not very empowering for any woman that happens to be a "grid girl".

    Live and let live.
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  • secretsqirrel
    secretsqirrel Posts: 2,145
    RichN95 wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    - how many overweight, bald men are there presenting TV?

    So we had Greg Wallace and Dom Littlewood from British TV. It's not a great haul. And surely the obvious answer was Dara O'Briain anyway.

    How many overweight, bald women are there presenting TV?
  • Richmond Racer 2
    Richmond Racer 2 Posts: 4,698
    Ben6899 wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    a feminist movement which has objected to things such as grid girls.

    And this is where people need to be careful. I mean, it's not very empowering for any woman that happens to be a "grid girl".

    Live and let live.


    The whole shebang isnt empowering, I really wouldnt choose to fix on the term 'grid girl' as the issue here
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,228
    If you don't think women on TV are treated differently to men, google "daily express" "carol kirkwood"
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    SecretSqirrel wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    - how many overweight, bald men are there presenting TV?

    So we had Greg Wallace and Dom Littlewood from British TV. It's not a great haul. And surely the obvious answer was Dara O'Briain anyway.

    How many overweight, bald women are there presenting TV?
    I can think of one slighty large Balding woman.
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  • Ben6899
    Ben6899 Posts: 9,686
    Richmond Racer 2 wrote:
    Ben6899 wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    a feminist movement which has objected to things such as grid girls.

    And this is where people need to be careful. I mean, it's not very empowering for any woman that happens to be a "grid girl".

    Live and let live.


    The whole shebang isnt empowering

    That's not for anyone outside to decide.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    Ben6899 wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    a feminist movement which has objected to things such as grid girls.

    And this is where people need to be careful. I mean, it's not very empowering for any woman that happens to be a "grid girl".

    Live and let live.
    It's hard too tell what is empowering. Sky F1 reporter William Esler posted this:

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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    edited February 2018
    Ben6899 wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    a feminist movement which has objected to things such as grid girls.

    And this is where people need to be careful. I mean, it's not very empowering for any woman that happens to be a "grid girl".

    Live and let live.

    You know the argument right?

    I mean, I’m sure it was tough for the black musicians who accompanied minstrel shows but ya, whatcha gonna do?

    I’m sure you’d be comfortable with more people becoming vegetarian, even at th expense of some butchers.

    In this instance I’d suggest that the broader feminist movement has been successful in making things such as grid girls something that’s not seen as progressive or forward thinking, and so, ultimately less popular.

    Do bear in mind this is a business decision. I know you’ve taken that context out but it’s important. They’re bowing to changing public perceptions, not a specific pressure group.
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  • secretsqirrel
    secretsqirrel Posts: 2,145
    RichN95 wrote:
    SecretSqirrel wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    - how many overweight, bald men are there presenting TV?

    So we had Greg Wallace and Dom Littlewood from British TV. It's not a great haul. And surely the obvious answer was Dara O'Briain anyway.

    How many overweight, bald women are there presenting TV?
    I can think of one slighty large Balding woman.

    :lol:

    But seriously, on balance men on TV do not have to be attractive, merely good at what they do. No?
  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    Gweeds wrote:
    Vino'sGhost wrote:
    I suspect that most whinging about this is being done by ugly unsuccessful blokes with minging wives and women with beards.

    The podium birds are there to add a bit of glamour to affairs. Ive been to loads of events where the only thing that stops it being an awkward end to a race on a portable stage in the wind and rain are the podium birds. Its certainly not the mayor.

    Rasputin has spoken.

    Dick.

    Ahhhh the liberal free thinker has grunted. Why not tell the women what they want and how to think.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Vino'sGhost wrote:
    Gweeds wrote:
    Vino'sGhost wrote:
    I suspect that most whinging about this is being done by ugly unsuccessful blokes with minging wives and women with beards.

    The podium birds are there to add a bit of glamour to affairs. Ive been to loads of events where the only thing that stops it being an awkward end to a race on a portable stage in the wind and rain are the podium birds. Its certainly not the mayor.

    Rasputin has spoken.

    Dick.

    Ahhhh the liberal free thinker has grunted. Why not tell the women what they want and how to think.

    Before or after you accuse people here of being " ugly unsuccessful blokes with minging wives and women with beards?"
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    SecretSqirrel wrote:
    :lol:

    But seriously, on balance men on TV do not have to be attractive, merely good at what they do. No?
    I think the ones without specialist knowledge generally are though (the same with women really). The phrase 'he's got a face for radio' exists for a reason.
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  • Ben6899
    Ben6899 Posts: 9,686
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Ben6899 wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    a feminist movement which has objected to things such as grid girls.

    And this is where people need to be careful. I mean, it's not very empowering for any woman that happens to be a "grid girl".

    Live and let live.

    You know the argument right?

    I mean, I’m sure it was tough for the black musicians who accompanied minstrel shows but ya, whatcha gonna do?

    I’m sure you’d be comfortable with more people becoming vegetarian, even at th expense of some butchers.

    In this instance I’d suggest that the broader feminist movement has been successful in making things such as grid girls something that’s not seen as progressive or forward thinking, and so, ultimately less popular.

    Do bear in mind this is a business decision. I know you’ve taken that context out but it’s important. They’re bowing to changing public perceptions, not a specific pressure group.

    The minstrels parallel is a fair one and I get your point - I would need to do some reading, but I bet similar discussions were had when some black musicians were suddenly out of work for the greater good.

    The vegetarians/butchers is not a great analogy, in all fairness.

    The point I am trying to make in all this is that it's not as straight forward as some here would like to think. There's no room in civilised society for the "podium birds" attitude, but also we have to be wary of thinking and acting on behalf of others (I know this was a business decision, but the feminist groups taking away empowerment from women is a little perverse).
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  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Vino'sGhost wrote:
    Gweeds wrote:
    Vino'sGhost wrote:
    I suspect that most whinging about this is being done by ugly unsuccessful blokes with minging wives and women with beards.

    The podium birds are there to add a bit of glamour to affairs. Ive been to loads of events where the only thing that stops it being an awkward end to a race on a portable stage in the wind and rain are the podium birds. Its certainly not the mayor.

    Rasputin has spoken.

    Dick.

    Ahhhh the liberal free thinker has grunted. Why not tell the women what they want and how to think.

    Before or after you accuse people here of being " ugly unsuccessful blokes with minging wives and women with beards?"

    You well know I said that “I suspect most” If the cap fits I suppose people can wear it. But I’m more interested in the message that some of the champions of women have.

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