TDF 2017: 13 July - Stage 12: Pau - Peyragudes 214.5kms *Spoilers*

above_the_cows

Dinyull wrote:

fat daddy wrote:

iainf72 wrote:

Landing at Alpe d'Huez is quite the experience

It looks epic ..... I have taken the Helicopter there a few times when jumping between resorts and sat and watched the planes come in over a beer whilst waiting for my ride back

The landing looks ok, its amazing how quickly a plane stops when going up hill ...... the take off to me looks dodgy though they seem to get airborne way before they reach speed

Brother had flying lessons weekend just gone, said (on a flat runway) the plane was airborne in less than 100m. The instructor was saying the power to weight ratio in light aircraft is phenomenal so I'd imagine hurtling down a hill aint no ting.

Yep you should see the tiny field my mad uncle takes his home made planes off from, and the even nuttier places he lands them.

Ben6899

thegibdog wrote:

I was prepared to suspend my cynicism when Demare wasn't penalised for his erratic sprinting. Less so when Bouhanni got a GC penalty for lashing out. When Bardet isn't sanctioned for doing exactly the same thing as other riders who were docked time, it's difficult to believe in the impartiality of the jury.

Don't expect impartiality from the French. Especially in a sporting competition on their own soil, which a Frenchman hasn't won since 1985...

iainf72

fat daddy wrote:

iainf72 wrote:

Landing at Alpe d'Huez is quite the experience

It looks epic ..... I have taken the Helicopter there a few times when jumping between resorts and sat and watched the planes come in over a beer whilst waiting for my ride back

The landing looks ok, its amazing how quickly a plane stops when going up hill ...... the take off to me looks dodgy though they seem to get airborne way before they reach speed

The take off seems worse - It feels like you just fall off the edge of the mountain. But I reasoned that if I'm going to fall off the edge of a mountain, doing it in a flying machine is probably not the worst option.

The microlights were a step too far for me

r0bh

Ben6899 wrote:

thegibdog wrote:

I was prepared to suspend my cynicism when Demare wasn't penalised for his erratic sprinting. Less so when Bouhanni got a GC penalty for lashing out. When Bardet isn't sanctioned for doing exactly the same thing as other riders who were docked time, it's difficult to believe in the impartiality of the jury.

Don't expect impartiality from the French. Especially in a sporting competition on their own soil, which a Frenchman hasn't won since 1985...

The Comms have now reversed Uran's and Bennett's penalties.

DeVlaeminck

Rick Chasey wrote:

Sounds like they reversed y'day's bottle decision.

Didn't expect that, have they provided a rationale?

kingstongraham

DeVlaeminck wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Sounds like they reversed y'day's bottle decision.

Didn't expect that, have they provided a rationale?

The official reason given is "Nous ne savions pas qu'un Francais etais aussi coupable."

pirnie

DeVlaeminck wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Sounds like they reversed y'day's bottle decision.

Didn't expect that, have they provided a rationale?

They didn't want to penalise Bardet, and he did the exact same thing.

Or is that me just being cynical?

rick_chasey

It's a stupid rule to have on mountains anyway.

Richmond Racer 2

iainf72 wrote:

DeVlaeminck wrote:

Don't think I'd fancy being in a plane landing on that - still probably doesn't look as bad with your eyes closed!

Landing at Alpe d'Huez is quite the experience

I've arrived and left by helicopter. That was fun

Richmond Racer 2

KingstonGraham wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Sounds like they reversed y'day's bottle decision.

Vaughters has tweeted it, for Uran and Bennett.

Uran at only 35s then, and a good time trialler.

Yep. Tho can be erratic.

dinyull

iainf72 wrote:

DeVlaeminck wrote:

Don't think I'd fancy being in a plane landing on that - still probably doesn't look as bad with your eyes closed!

Landing at Alpe d'Huez is quite the experience

Is that a computer image???

knedlicky

iainf72 wrote:

DeVlaeminck wrote:

Don't think I'd fancy being in a plane landing on that - still probably doesn't look as bad with your eyes closed!

Landing at Alpe d'Huez is quite the experience

That tree on the left looks far too close, typical criteria is:



whereby the 'transitional surface' rises up at 1 vertical per 7 horizontal from the edge of the runway strip.

mfin

Dinyull wrote:

iainf72 wrote:

DeVlaeminck wrote:

Don't think I'd fancy being in a plane landing on that - still probably doesn't look as bad with your eyes closed!

Landing at Alpe d'Huez is quite the experience

Is that a computer image???

Did you think Danger Mouse was filmed with real actors?

KnightOfTheLongTights

Rick Chasey wrote:

It's a stupid rule to have on mountains anyway.

Yes indeed.
It's the correct decision.
Now let's hope Bardet puts more time into Froome today!

blazing_saddles

That decision is even more of a than the original.
In chickening out of upsetting the French and only goes to emphasize that the UCI jury have a biased agenda.

Still, I prefer no time penalty for all over penalties for some.

Anyhow, forget Badoit, drink Bardet. Comes in still, sparkling and invisible.

dinyull

mfin wrote:

Dinyull wrote:

iainf72 wrote:

DeVlaeminck wrote:

Don't think I'd fancy being in a plane landing on that - still probably doesn't look as bad with your eyes closed!

Landing at Alpe d'Huez is quite the experience

Is that a computer image???

Did you think Danger Mouse was filmed with real actors?

I know this is the spoilers thread, but no need to spoil my childhood!

kingstongraham

mfin wrote:

Did you think Danger Mouse was filmed with real actors?

It was, but Terry and June was a cartoon.

narbs

iainf72 wrote:

DeVlaeminck wrote:

Don't think I'd fancy being in a plane landing on that - still probably doesn't look as bad with your eyes closed!

Landing at Alpe d'Huez is quite the experience

And the terrifying chairlift over to Auris.

bobmcstuff

Just watching the highlights. Amazing how well Froome looked like he was doing right up to the last 1km.

And Bennett's attack

Ben6899

r0bh wrote:

Ben6899 wrote:

thegibdog wrote:

I was prepared to suspend my cynicism when Demare wasn't penalised for his erratic sprinting. Less so when Bouhanni got a GC penalty for lashing out. When Bardet isn't sanctioned for doing exactly the same thing as other riders who were docked time, it's difficult to believe in the impartiality of the jury.

Don't expect impartiality from the French. Especially in a sporting competition on their own soil, which a Frenchman hasn't won since 1985...

The Comms have now reversed Uran's and Bennett's penalties.

To avoid taking Bardet's 25sec deficit to 45sec. Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE Bardet to wear Yellow into Paris, but the Comms' actions are pretty transparent!

dish_dash

Let's not forget this guy in all the polemics. Cracking ride in the jersey...

dish_dash

bobmcstuff wrote:

And Bennett's attack

dish_dash

Liked this one too...

DeVlaeminck

Ben6899 wrote:

r0bh wrote:

Ben6899 wrote:

thegibdog wrote:

I was prepared to suspend my cynicism when Demare wasn't penalised for his erratic sprinting. Less so when Bouhanni got a GC penalty for lashing out. When Bardet isn't sanctioned for doing exactly the same thing as other riders who were docked time, it's difficult to believe in the impartiality of the jury.

Don't expect impartiality from the French. Especially in a sporting competition on their own soil, which a Frenchman hasn't won since 1985...

The Comms have now reversed Uran's and Bennett's penalties.

To avoid taking Bardet's 25sec deficit to 45sec. Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE Bardet to wear Yellow into Paris, but the Comms' actions are pretty transparent!

But without video of that bottle going into his mouth what can the commissaires do? Do you know for sure he didn't just squirt some water on his face to cool down ?

Ben6899

DeVlaeminck wrote:

Ben6899 wrote:

r0bh wrote:

Ben6899 wrote:

thegibdog wrote:

I was prepared to suspend my cynicism when Demare wasn't penalised for his erratic sprinting. Less so when Bouhanni got a GC penalty for lashing out. When Bardet isn't sanctioned for doing exactly the same thing as other riders who were docked time, it's difficult to believe in the impartiality of the jury.

Don't expect impartiality from the French. Especially in a sporting competition on their own soil, which a Frenchman hasn't won since 1985...

The Comms have now reversed Uran's and Bennett's penalties.

To avoid taking Bardet's 25sec deficit to 45sec. Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE Bardet to wear Yellow into Paris, but the Comms' actions are pretty transparent!

But without video of that bottle going into his mouth what can the commissaires do? Do you know for sure he didn't just squirt some water on his face to cool down ?

He took the bottle. That's the offence.

I have no issue with Bardet or Uran or Bennet, or riders bending rules (it's sport after all). I do, however, have an issue with partial Frenchmen in short sleeved shirts.

blazing_saddles

DeVlaeminck wrote:

Ben6899 wrote:

r0bh wrote:

Ben6899 wrote:

thegibdog wrote:

I was prepared to suspend my cynicism when Demare wasn't penalised for his erratic sprinting. Less so when Bouhanni got a GC penalty for lashing out. When Bardet isn't sanctioned for doing exactly the same thing as other riders who were docked time, it's difficult to believe in the impartiality of the jury.

Don't expect impartiality from the French. Especially in a sporting competition on their own soil, which a Frenchman hasn't won since 1985...

The Comms have now reversed Uran's and Bennett's penalties.

To avoid taking Bardet's 25sec deficit to 45sec. Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE Bardet to wear Yellow into Paris, but the Comms' actions are pretty transparent!

But without video of that bottle going into his mouth what can the commissaires do? Do you know for sure he didn't just squirt some water on his face to cool down ?

The stills show pretty conclusively that he did.

smithy21

But if some of the water he squirted over his face inadvertently went in his mouth does that become an offence? I don't envy the officials but they created a situation for themselves here.

r0bh

DeVlaeminck wrote:

But without video of that bottle going into his mouth what can the commissaires do? Do you know for sure he didn't just squirt some water on his face to cool down ?

I'm not convinced that matters. It seems to me that "feeding" as per the UCI rules is the act of giving a rider food and drink, not the act of them imbibing it.

larkim

Think they said on the ITV4 podcast that the offence is taking of the bottle, not the drinking.

tgotb

I'm amazed that riders take the risk of drinking water provided by strangers. If there are spectators sick enough to throw "unpleasant liquids" on certain riders, isn't there a risk of being handed a bottle laced with something that could make you ill, or cause you to fail a dope test?