TDF 2017: 13 July - Stage 12: Pau - Peyragudes 214.5kms *Spoilers*

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  • knedlicky
    knedlicky Posts: 3,097
    RichN95 wrote:
    r0bh wrote:
    Wonder if Mikel Landa will be on the blower to his missus to check his contract :lol:
    If he got in the break or went for a long one tomorrow it would cause panic. Who is there to chase for Aru?
    Or - Nieve in the break, Landa going forward to join him at about halfway.
    While Vino is on the blower to his missus to see if he can get her to persuade the hubby back to Astana.
  • knedlicky
    knedlicky Posts: 3,097
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    PoweredByIdris wrote:
    Uran & Bennet get 20sec penalties according to INRNG. Dunno what for
    Bennet went to get a gel in the last few km didn't he?
    Bennett perhaps because he showed himself for a few seconds. ;-)

    I wondered whether Uran cut Aru as they got close to the line.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 27,760
    NitrousOxide wrote:
    PoweredByIdris wrote:
    Uran & Bennet get 20sec penalties according to INRNG. Dunno what for

    Does that mean Aru gets second for stage and the associated extra time bonus and more GC lead over Froome?

    No. Overall now updated so Uran is at 55 seconds (was 35). Froome still at 6 seconds
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,310
    This would be a good route with the removal of the TT stage.
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  • hypster
    hypster Posts: 1,229
    Yeah, what ASO need to set is 20 sprint stages and one MTF. Then Bardet might stand a chance.
  • poweredbyidris
    poweredbyidris Posts: 848
    Jonathan Vaughters @Vaughters 4m minutes ago

    Rigo took bottle from spectator within final 10k. We accept penalty. However, Bardet did exactly the same-On video-He needs same penalty.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 27,760
    PoweredByIdris wrote:
    Jonathan Vaughters @Vaughters 4m minutes ago

    Rigo took bottle from spectator within final 10k. We accept penalty. However, Bardet did exactly the same-On video-He needs same penalty.

    nobody likes a snitch.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,241
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    PoweredByIdris wrote:
    Jonathan Vaughters @Vaughters 4m minutes ago

    Rigo took bottle from spectator within final 10k. We accept penalty. However, Bardet did exactly the same-On video-He needs same penalty.

    nobody likes a snitch.
    Cycling twitter is a whole army of snitches. The media too
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  • salsiccia1
    salsiccia1 Posts: 3,725
    RichN95 wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    PoweredByIdris wrote:
    Uran & Bennet get 20sec penalties according to INRNG. Dunno what for

    Bennet went to get a gel in the last few km didn't he?
    Vaughters said Uran took a bottle from a spectator inside last 10km - guilty as charged. But he said Bardet did as well - on camera.

    Didn't even know that was a rule. I knew about no team help in the last 20km, but not that one. Seems a bit draconian.
    It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
  • poweredbyidris
    poweredbyidris Posts: 848
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    PoweredByIdris wrote:
    Jonathan Vaughters @Vaughters 4m minutes ago

    Rigo took bottle from spectator within final 10k. We accept penalty. However, Bardet did exactly the same-On video-He needs same penalty.

    nobody likes a snitch.

    Vaughters' tweet needs a 'SAD!' at the end of it
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,310
    hypster wrote:
    Yeah, what ASO need to set is 20 sprint stages and one MTF. Then Bardet might stand a chance.

    There are 9 sprint stages. The problem has been that they're very heavily front loaded.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 27,760
    TailWindHome wrote:
    hypster wrote:
    Yeah, what ASO need to set is 20 sprint stages and one MTF. Then Bardet might stand a chance.

    There are 9 sprint stages. The problem has been that they're very heavily front loaded.

    And not long enough.
  • dolan_driver
    dolan_driver Posts: 831
    larkim wrote:
    Who builds an airstrip with a gradient like that?!?!?!

    It is handy if your plane is over-loaded and need that extra bit of speed to get off the ground!

    All joking aside, it seems unlikely that the finishing ramp for the stage ids part of the airfield. Surely it is just the road up to the airfield. It'd be really interesting (for the pilots) if that is the runway! :shock:

    DD.
  • gweeds
    gweeds Posts: 2,605
    Vaughters is a whiny tosser
    Napoleon, don't be jealous that I've been chatting online with babes all day. Besides, we both know that I'm training to be a cage fighter.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,310
    There are runways in Alaska built on glaciers, which have a fairly steep gradient and are very short, you land going up and take off going down
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  • keyser__soze
    keyser__soze Posts: 2,067
    edited July 2017
    It is part of the airstrip fwict. Rather standard across the Alps and Pyrenees, allows planes to take off and land on shorter strips. See the airstrips in AdH and Courchevel for other examples. Of course these are small planes and only certain types, they don't land regular commercial passenger jets there!
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  • NervexProf
    NervexProf Posts: 4,202
    All could now hinge on Stage 20 -TT. Given the gap between Froome, Aru and Bardet on Stage 1 and noting that Stage 20 is 7km longer Froome will need to limit his losses to the other 2 to around a minute.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,158
    Surely it's a bit risky taking a bottle from a spectator? I understand taking water and pouring it over yourself but not to actually drink from it. OK, it's unlikely to have anything banned in it but it could contain pretty much anything.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,310
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    Best case scenario: Bardet to attack on the Port de Bales, descend like a mad man, get two minutes at the bottom of the descent and maintains enough to snatch the jersey. Froome shouting at everyone sucking his wheel.

    Acceptable case scenario: Aru attacks on the Peyresourde and wins the stage with 20 seconds, enough to snatch the jersey

    Realistic scenario: Nothing happens until the final km, where Froome spins the cranks faster and gains 5 seconds on Aru and 10 on Bardet. Some other guy wins the stage

    Right, so... I guess this ended up being scenario 2 with a twist
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  • FocusZing
    FocusZing Posts: 4,373
    Stage 20 ITT 22.5km with 116m climb (1.2km @ 9.5%). Good that the GC is looking closer, but Froome is still on target.
  • dolan_driver
    dolan_driver Posts: 831
    Keyser__Soze wrote:
    It is part of the airstrip fwict. Rather standard across the Alps and Pyrenees, allows planes to take off and land on shorter strips. See the airstrips in AdH and Courchevel for other examples. Of course these are small planes and only certain types, they don't land regular commercial passenger jets there!

    Pilatus Porter perhaps a la Bond? Or a Twin Otter. Ryanair WOULD put a 737 in there, given half a chance.

    Dan Martin said he is having a bit of trouble with his back, which, given the impact inflicted upon it, is not surprising. That explains his slightly of performance today on a finish like that. If he can recover a little from his injuries and get back good legs for the Alps, a top-5 GC result is a distinct possibility. :D

    DD.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,241
    To continue the James Bond theme, this stage may be the scene where the villain should just shoot Bond but instead has to show off and lets him escape
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,158
    Kittel was impressive. From memory he was still just in front of the peloton at the top of the Mente with 70km to go and managed to roll in with the grupetto 36 minutes down. I'd have loved to see some of the sprinters going up that final km.
  • Lanterne_Rogue
    Lanterne_Rogue Posts: 4,325
    Dolan Driver wrote:
    larkim wrote:
    Who builds an airstrip with a gradient like that?!?!?!

    It is handy if your plane is over-loaded and need that extra bit of speed to get off the ground!

    All joking aside, it seems unlikely that the finishing ramp for the stage ids part of the airfield. Surely it is just the road up to the airfield. It'd be really interesting (for the pilots) if that is the runway! :shock:

    DD.

    It was the runway, and yes, it is interesting - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpxmURxvAf0 is just one Youtube clip of landing there. Notice how he has to power up to actually reach the summit!
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  • Sun Dodger
    Sun Dodger Posts: 393
    Dolan Driver wrote:
    larkim wrote:
    Who builds an airstrip with a gradient like that?!?!?!

    It is handy if your plane is over-loaded and need that extra bit of speed to get off the ground!

    All joking aside, it seems unlikely that the finishing ramp for the stage ids part of the airfield. Surely it is just the road up to the airfield. It'd be really interesting (for the pilots) if that is the runway! :shock:

    DD.

    It's the runway - they rode over the markings as they turned into the finishing straight :o
  • dav1d1
    dav1d1 Posts: 653
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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,704
    I'm just amazed the tv cameras spotted Bennett taking that water.
    A pity that Bardet hadn't done the same, just to see the French reaction to a 20 second slap down.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,241
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    I'm just amazed the tv cameras spotted Bennett taking that water.
    A pity that Bardet hadn't done the same, just to see the French reaction to a 20 second slap down.
    He did. At 6.4km to go

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  • Lanterne_Rogue
    Lanterne_Rogue Posts: 4,325
    Dav1d1 wrote:
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    Marginal gains! Names The turbine, suppose to increase airflow through the nose by average 38%

    New improved model:

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  • micrographia
    micrographia Posts: 77
    Sky aren't daft enough to think that Froome could beat the likes of Aru and Martin up that finish slope. Reckon the pre-Tour plan was to burn everyone off before they got there but on the day the train came up one man short. G was badly missed. Pace dropped noticeably after Kwiat peeled off. Everyone else in the train tried to put in a bigger shift but it wasn't enough. Great result for the GC race though.

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