2018 Gear

bobmcstuff

Markwb79 wrote:

BuckMulligan wrote:

Well, if you were talking exclusively about that 3T bike then yes, I can't see it working for the diveristy of racing that a pro team will encounter, even with those special 3T cassettes. As someone else said, I'm sure a front derailleur will find its way on to that frame before Aqua Blue have to race it in anger!

1X does have it's place though and whilst it may have been around since the 70s, you'll still more people (pointlessly) running 2X rather than 1X. Go to any flat/rolling road race, criterium, club TT or triathlon and you'll see people running a pair of tyres that cost £100+ and only last a few hundred miles just to save a few Watts, when they could just as easily whip the front derailleur off and save as much.

How often do you use your little ring in those scenarios?

So now I should have a crit bike with a single chain ring for racing each week and then a different bike for training on?

Such a wide ratio cassette in a crit would be a disaster.

You're missing the point, the Specialized crit bike with the 1x doesn't have a particularly wide ratio cassette, so it wouldn't be a disaster at all. The 3T one isn't supposed to be a crit bike specifically and does have a wide range cassette. Wheelsets are also pretty easy to change... Not at all uncommon to have race wheels and training wheels.

The specialized is indeed intended to be a special crit bike, which is why it's probably only bought by really keen crit racers... There is a 2x version available as well for people who want it, it's not like you have no choice.

Ben6899

Markwb79 wrote:

Ben6899 wrote:

I think you're fine, Pinno. It's a ridiculous idea.

So have we decided yet, is this all about saving weight? Because - let's go with DA - a front mech weighs ~100g and a 39T ring ~40g. I think I'll keep mine.

But then add the extra weight for the large cassette range.

Exactly.

inseine

Ben6899 wrote:

Markwb79 wrote:

Ben6899 wrote:

I think you're fine, Pinno. It's a ridiculous idea.

So have we decided yet, is this all about saving weight? Because - let's go with DA - a front mech weighs ~100g and a 39T ring ~40g. I think I'll keep mine.

But then add the extra weight for the large cassette range.

Exactly.

Don't forget the less complicated no lighter left brake and the cabling. Vroomen talks about optimizing the rear wheel position but really it's as much about aero and the ease if gear changing.

buckmulligan

Markwb79 wrote:

BuckMulligan wrote:

Well, if you were talking exclusively about that 3T bike then yes, I can't see it working for the diveristy of racing that a pro team will encounter, even with those special 3T cassettes. As someone else said, I'm sure a front derailleur will find its way on to that frame before Aqua Blue have to race it in anger!

1X does have it's place though and whilst it may have been around since the 70s, you'll still more people (pointlessly) running 2X rather than 1X. Go to any flat/rolling road race, criterium, club TT or triathlon and you'll see people running a pair of tyres that cost £100+ and only last a few hundred miles just to save a few Watts, when they could just as easily whip the front derailleur off and save as much.

How often do you use your little ring in those scenarios?

So now I should have a crit bike with a single chain ring for racing each week and then a different bike for training on?

Such a wide ratio cassette in a crit would be a disaster.

As Rick so kindly pointed out, this is the Pro Race forum so we're only allowed to discuss what Aqua Blue Sport are going to do with that bike; what you would want to do is not up for debate.

I strongly suspect that all the pros currently running 2x and narrow-range cassettes aren't using their little ring to sprint out of the corners or up hills in a crit; ergo, they'd be just fine using a 1x system and a standard narrow-range cassette.

If 3T want to give them a bunch of bikes to use in these circumstances then why the hell not?! I don't suppose 3T are naive enough to expect them to use a 1X drivetrain in all their races, because I'm sure they realise watching a whole team get dropped as they're all grinding 40 rpm up a 20% grade won't be great publicity.

I don't see why people are getting all up-in-arms about it. If you regularly use your little ring then obviously a 1x system probably isn't for you. That doesn't mean it isn't useful for some people. Do you guys post on every thread about hybrids or shopping bikes or beach cruisers that these have no purpose?

I'm starting to agree with ddraver, the narrow-mindedness on this forum is hilarious

buckmulligan

Ben6899 wrote:

So have we decided yet, is this all about saving weight? Because - let's go with DA - a front mech weighs ~100g and a 39T ring ~40g. I think I'll keep mine.

No, but keep thinking that if you like.

greasedscotsman

BuckMulligan wrote:

I don't see why people are getting all up-in-arms about it.

I don't think anyone is. Just people having differing opinions on a forum.

Ben6899

BuckMulligan wrote:

Ben6899 wrote:

So have we decided yet, is this all about saving weight? Because - let's go with DA - a front mech weighs ~100g and a 39T ring ~40g. I think I'll keep mine.

No, but keep thinking that if you like.

I was asking a question. Don't be so butthurt.

salsiccia1

CVT is what you want, innit. Only one cog on the back and an expandable chainring on the front. No chain-line issues and an infinite variation from top to bottom.

pinno

Salsiccia1 wrote:

CVT is what you want, innit. Only one cog on the back and an expandable chainring on the front. No chain-line issues and an infinite variation from top to bottom.

...and made by Volvo.

pblakeney

David Millar tried going single speed in a TT once.
That ended well. Well, it ended his chances.

nicklong

Rick Chasey wrote:

greasedscotsman wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

a) that isn't a TT bike

Why shouldn't a road bike be aero?

Are they mutually exclusive?

He was quite open about it his books, mechanics hadn't tried it out and didn't appreciate that the FD also acts as a chain guide and catcher.

The point about clutches and narrow-wide is that they spot chains dropping.

During Cav's last season at Quick Step, he lost a run of sprints around spring time due to his chain dropping when he started to sprint - IIRC he went through a ton of chainring and crankset options to fix it. I'd imagine a 1x system would be quite interesting in such a scenario.

Matthewfalle

nicklong wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

greasedscotsman wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

a) that isn't a TT bike

Why shouldn't a road bike be aero?

Are they mutually exclusive?

He was quite open about it his books, mechanics hadn't tried it out and didn't appreciate that the FD also acts as a chain guide and catcher.

The point about clutches and narrow-wide is that they spot chains dropping.

During Cav's last season at Quick Step, he lost a run of sprints around spring time due to his chain dropping when he started to sprint - IIRC he went through a ton of chainring and crankset options to fix it. I'd imagine a 1x system would be quite interesting in such a scenario.

How could the mechanics not appreciate that? Its bleedin' obvious.

And how could he not appreciate that and perhaps say something? After all, its his bike.

ridgerider

Pinno wrote:

Salsiccia1 wrote:

CVT is what you want, innit. Only one cog on the back and an expandable chainring on the front. No chain-line issues and an infinite variation from top to bottom.

...and made by Volvo.

Wasn't it Daf originally?

pinno

Ridgerider wrote:

Pinno wrote:

Salsiccia1 wrote:

CVT is what you want, innit. Only one cog on the back and an expandable chainring on the front. No chain-line issues and an infinite variation from top to bottom.

...and made by Volvo.

Wasn't it Daf originally?

I was under the impression that Volvo had supplied DAF with the 'rubber band' Variomatic transmission.

A quick search came up with this bit of slightly interesting info from a well known source:

"When DAF was taken over by Volvo, the Variomatic patents were transferred to a company called VDT (Van Doorne Transmissie), later taken over by Bosch. "

ridgerider

Bosch eh...so can we expect some sort of e-bike CVT in the near future, or don't electric motors have a 'sweet spot' like petrol engines or human legs?

ridgerider

...and for you kids out there, we are talking about classic 1970's gear (or no gear...)

pinno

We had a DAF 55. Great little car. Survived the Kenyan roads.

inseine

Ridgerider wrote:

Bosch eh...so can we expect some sort of e-bike CVT in the near future, or don't electric motors have a 'sweet spot' like petrol engines or human legs?

Not the near future, it's been around for a while. Called NuVinci. We (Peugeot bikes) have already had it on our ebikes for a couple of years.

ridgerider

Interesting website and technology!

OT Inseine...I finally got round to buying some Peugeot salt and pepper mills, the best grinding mechanism you can get!

inseine

Ridgerider wrote:

OT Inseine...I finally got round to buying some Peugeot salt and pepper mills, the best grinding mechanism you can get!

Brilliant! They come under the remit of the little group I work for, no that I no longer design cars. Bicycles are more of a challenge but I can recommend the mills.

darkhairedlord

Ridgerider wrote:

Interesting website and technology!

OT Inseine...I finally got round to buying some Peugeot salt and pepper mills, the best grinding mechanism you can get!

Other than their gearboxes

inseine

darkhairedlord wrote:

Ridgerider wrote:

Interesting website and technology!

OT Inseine...I finally got round to buying some Peugeot salt and pepper mills, the best grinding mechanism you can get!

Other than their gearboxes

Naughty

shipley

Ridgerider wrote:

...and for you kids out there, we are talking about classic 1970's gear (or no gear...)

Ah the old Variomatic They were a hoot, we bought one in a scrappy when I was 18 ........ 3 of us managed to get it to 50mph and slammed it into reverse to see what would happen........ it just slowed down, and then reversed very quickly and probably would have got to 50 backwards if we'd let it.

jimmythecuckoo

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/100 ... ter-sagan/


He loved them so much, he bought (a bit) of the company.

sherer

Big Sagan fan but don't like them glasses at all. Seems cycling is going back to the ski mask look, or at least that's how it looks to me. I know there are advantages of one piece frames but I much prefer the traditional sunglasses look

darkhairedlord

jimmythecuckoo wrote:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/100 ... ter-sagan/


He loved them so much, he bought (a bit) of the company.

I very much prefer the bottom edge to be rim-less as i find it distracting, also reduced the peripheral vision.

pinno

I prefer the Crivit one's from Lidl @ £3.99. They come with mirrored dark, clear and yellow lenses and if I lost them, broke them, scratch them, i'm not going to bawl and chuck my toys out of the pram.
But as they haven't got the wow Rapha Assos factor exclusive price tag, shiny presentation box and a certificate, I shall be forever consigned to the league of the great unwashed undesirable cyclist.

jimmythecuckoo

each to their own !

I wouldn't have those but I do have Oakley's.

pinno

jimmythecuckoo wrote:

each to their own !

I wouldn't have those but I do have Oakley's.

Well if you do want to look like Andy Hampsten...

mfin

jimmythecuckoo wrote:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/100 ... ter-sagan/


He loved them so much, he bought (a bit) of the company.

...did Victor Kiam buy the rest?