2018 Gear

salsiccia1

What a shame. They had easily the nicest kit in the peloton previously.

dish_dash

I rather like it, and they've done a great job at incorporating the Groupama logo while keeping the FDJ/French colours...

ocdupalais

Meh...

inseine

dish_dash wrote:

I rather like it, and they've done a great job at incorporating the Groupama logo while keeping the FDJ/French colours...

It's true, we should be thankful Groupama have allowed them to move away from their green and yellow colours, but it pretty poor overall.

Paul 8v

Pinno wrote:

Paul 8v wrote:

I discovered Synthwave at the end of last year. Where has it been all my life?!

...and now watch 'Tron' for the complete package.

salsiccia1

inseine wrote:

dish_dash wrote:

I rather like it, and they've done a great job at incorporating the Groupama logo while keeping the FDJ/French colours...

It's true, we should be thankful Groupama have allowed them to move away from their green and yellow colours, but it pretty poor overall.

Don't get me wrong, it's not bad, but the old kit was lovely.

rick_chasey

Read elsewhere on BR a lot of teams use ultegra/force cassettes instead of dura ace/red.

Functionally the same, cheaper, and a little heavier, making 6.8kilos easier to reach.

salsiccia1

Rick Chasey wrote:

Read elsewhere on BR a lot of teams use ultegra/force cassettes instead of dura ace/red.

Functionally the same, cheaper, and a little heavier, making 6.8kilos easier to reach.

That's interesting. Isn't rotating weight worse than fixed weight though?

rick_chasey

I though that but TBH, I doubt any rider in the world would notice.

https://www.bikeradar.com/road/gear/art ... ion-49023/

#3.

salsiccia1

Fair point.

Isn't it about time the 6.8kg limit was reviewed, given the march of technology?

Edit: as hinted at in the link

philbar72

thought it was the outer mass that affects climbing the most. rotational mass at the extremity. so tyre/ rim weight. that's possibly another reason why pro's use tubs. the rims weigh less (no lip required for anchoring a clincher), and the tub will weigh less than an equivalent clincher/tube (theoretically). they also offer better feedback, and ride better but don't absolutely roll better. also less chance of a pinch puncture.

rick_chasey

philbar72 wrote:

thought it was the outer mass that affects climbing the most. rotational mass at the extremity. so tyre/ rim weight. that's possibly another reason why pro's use tubs. the rims weigh less (no lip required for anchoring a clincher), and the tub will weigh less than an equivalent clincher/tube (theoretically). they also offer better feedback, and ride better but don't absolutely roll better. also less chance of a pinch puncture.

I thought the main reason for tubs in the pro-peloton was you can ride on a deflating tub for a lot longer than on clinchers.

gweeds

Tubs not coming off the rim is the main reason yes, and weight at the hub is rarely noticed unless they’re real anchors. Inertia is far less at the rim.

Same principal as motorbike riders wanting less unsprung weight at the rims for less effort flicking a bike side to side.

Paul 8v

Rick Chasey wrote:

I though that but TBH, I doubt any rider in the world would notice.

https://www.bikeradar.com/road/gear/art ... ion-49023/

#3.

I love seeing all the little hacks these guys come up with

timoid.

SpecialGuestStar wrote:

FdJ at last (bonus what is Arthur looking at )

Feels like a cofidis kit from the Millar days

Crampeur

Rick Chasey wrote:

Read elsewhere on BR a lot of teams use ultegra/force cassettes instead of dura ace/red.

Functionally the same, cheaper, and a little heavier, making 6.8kilos easier to reach.

Functionally better, given the current Dura Ace cassette's habit of snapping their plastic spiders.

Matthewfalle

Paul 8v wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

I though that but TBH, I doubt any rider in the world would notice.

https://www.bikeradar.com/road/gear/art ... ion-49023/

#3.

I love seeing all the little hacks these guys come up with

Well, tbh none of those are really rocket science and most people who tinker with bicycles on a regular basis will have been using them for years without reading those types of articles.

bobmcstuff

Matthewfalle wrote:

Paul 8v wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

I though that but TBH, I doubt any rider in the world would notice.

https://www.bikeradar.com/road/gear/art ... ion-49023/

#3.

I love seeing all the little hacks these guys come up with

Well, tbh none of those are really rocket science and most people who tinker with bicycles on a regular basis will have been using them for years without reading those types of articles.

You've got a power drill to tighten your thru-axles?

darkhairedlord

Timoid. wrote:

SpecialGuestStar wrote:

FdJ at last (bonus what is Arthur looking at )

Feels like a cofidis kit from the Millar days

they look like naughty schoolboys waiting outside the headmasters office. Lucky they've got padded shorts...

Paul 8v

bobmcstuff wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

Paul 8v wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

I though that but TBH, I doubt any rider in the world would notice.

https://www.bikeradar.com/road/gear/art ... ion-49023/

#3.

I love seeing all the little hacks these guys come up with

Well, tbh none of those are really rocket science and most people who tinker with bicycles on a regular basis will have been using them for years without reading those types of articles.

You've got a power drill to tighten your thru-axles?

And presumably a shelving unit made out of bike boxes

inseine

Seems like the Pope favors quite an aggressive saddle to bars drop.

salsiccia1

They must really dislike him to give him that.

gweeds

God that's one ugly bike.

pinno

Is it me or does it remind anyone of the Shimano Sante?





Can't find an image of that matching cream frameset.

gweeds

Haven’t seen Sante for a very long time!

inseine

Its Apex, cheapo groupset for the Pope.

pinno

It's the same colour of soap. There's a joke in there somewhere.

Matthewfalle

inseine wrote:

Seems like the Pope favors quite an aggressive saddle to bars drop.

Disgusting.

It's a really ugly bike anyway, that just looks hideous.

newton98

philbar72 wrote:

thought it was the outer mass that affects climbing the most. rotational mass at the extremity.

The moment of inertia of a disc is I = mr^2, where m is mass and r is the radius of the disc. You can effectively add these up for various masses on the wheel, so the cassette would have something like a 40mm radius, which is then squared and the rim/tyre something like 350mm which is then squared. You can see that the mass at the extreme radius is a LOT more important and as Rick says, nobody is going to notice the cassette.

philbar72

newton98 wrote:

philbar72 wrote:

thought it was the outer mass that affects climbing the most. rotational mass at the extremity.

The moment of inertia of a disc is I = mr^2, where m is mass and r is the radius of the disc. You can effectively add these up for various masses on the wheel, so the cassette would have something like a 40mm radius, which is then squared and the rim/tyre something like 350mm which is then squared. You can see that the mass at the extreme radius is a LOT more important and as Rick says, nobody is going to notice the cassette.

yep agreed.