Tory leadership bid

slowmart

Looks like Boris is making moves to challenge May.

:shock:


If it's anyone else other than Ruth Davidson leading the party then the Torys are goosed. Davidson seems to have the common touch, charisma and ability. More than the entire Tory cabinet, but then that's not saying a lot

rjsterry

I like Osborne's comment that Boris is running a permanent leadership campaign, so what's new?

BelgianBeerGeek

oxoman wrote:

Boris should shut up for a change. Whoever is in the position is in for a whole load of shite due to brexit. Best bet is to stay with what we have.

That would be the sensible thing to do, and probably what TM is banking on. A leadership challenge could out-fox her: who would want to be PM at this moment?

slowmart

Challenges/opportunities define individuals.

A politician showing appetite AND ability to get to grips with the steaming pile of shit that's been left would be refreshing on so many levels.

I'm not holding my breath.

mamba80

they (the UK) need to find a genuine leader, we ve been without one for at least the last 2 Gov's, its depressing that at this dire moment in our history, folk are saying who would want to be PM.

what on earth would have happened in 1939 if Churchill has said "fuck this, let Chamberlain stay on, who d want to be PM, with all those Germans massing across the channel?"

One thing May has got spot on, is that Brexit will define our economy for decades to come ( if we do actually leave?) so the agreement is crucial and at the moment the tories have made our great country a laughing stock, as someone recently said to me, we look at the UK in the same way you english look at Trump! ie former tory chancellor calls the PM a "dead woman walking" unbelievable!

If May etc dont want to lead (rather than just keep power) then step aside and let Corbyn form a coalition with more moderate Tories/Libs and SNP or preferably, call another election, which actual Theresa would be in the national interest.

verylonglegs

BelgianBeerGeek wrote:

oxoman wrote:

Boris should shut up for a change. Whoever is in the position is in for a whole load of shite due to brexit. Best bet is to stay with what we have.

That would be the sensible thing to do, and probably what TM is banking on. A leadership challenge could out-fox her: who would want to be PM at this moment?

Yes, Boris must know taking over now would be in football terms a hospital pass. Especially as he'd have to deliver on his own leave campaign.

surrey_commuter

Don't underestimate their desire to forever be in the history books. None of them would turn it down because it looks a little difficult.

A new leader would justify another election before the economy hits the buffers

rick_chasey

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Don't underestimate their desire to forever be in the history books. None of them would turn it down because it looks a little difficult.

A new leader would justify another election before the economy hits the buffers

I believe the voters would likely punish the Tories for continuing to add to the political turmoil, and forcing everyone to go through another election.

If the UK public values strong leadership and stability, which apparently it does, the Tories have shown indecision on big issues (Scotland, EU) by not making the decision themselves, and the entire Brexit issue they insisted had to happen after their indecision has been made more difficult by their own gambling.

Voters may be stupid, but they're not that stupid, and, in the context of the last 6 weeks, and certainly the last 3 days, it's difficult to see how Corbyn would have been worse than May, and I'm no fan of him at all.

bendertherobot

They need to change their leader, manifesto and approach.

And then figure out how to convince the electorate that changing their leader, manifesto and approach isn't just buying votes.

rick_chasey

bendertherobot wrote:

They need to change their leader, manifesto and approach.

And then figure out how to convince the electorate that changing their leader, manifesto and approach isn't just buying votes.

Absolutely.

Though I think they can do this without an election.

It's tricky, but it's not like an election would be any easier.

kajjal

The big problem they have now is Sinn Fein and the Government of Ireland are having to remind them of their responsibilities under the Good Friday Agreement. My guess is the DUP will eventually have to turn them down leading to another election in the near future. Even with the DUP they have a very unstable grip on government.

kingstongraham

They can rule with 318. DUP don't want anything that might let Corbyn into no. 10.

I don't understand why she needed to mention any agreement.

slowmart

KingstonGraham wrote:

They can rule with 318. DUP don't want anything that might let Corbyn into no. 10.

I don't understand why she needed to mention any agreement.

And yet May still fucked that up. And we are supposed to trust her to deliver Brexit. She'll join Cameron being damned by history.

pblakeney

Slowmart wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

They can rule with 318. DUP don't want anything that might let Corbyn into no. 10.

I don't understand why she needed to mention any agreement.

And yet May still farked that up. And we are supposed to trust her to deliver Brexit. She'll join Cameron being damned by history.

I agree, but here's a thought.
Who is the last PM to be praised by history?

slowmart

That depends if you wear red, blue or transparent spectacles ;-)

Thatcher maybe and as time goes by her achievements will be better recognised. Then Churchill.

rick_chasey

Yougov polls (which, after all ,were the most accurate this election).



Have to say, love the heat Gove is taking.

pblakeney

Slowmart wrote:

That depends if you wear red, blue or transparent spectacles ;-)

Thatcher maybe and as time goes by her achievements will be better recognised. Then Churchill.

So, a lot of muppets over the past 30 years, first one debatable, then 60 years and that is only if you wear blue spectacles. Not inspiring.

mr_goo

General Election in October me thinks.

bendertherobot

Mr Goo wrote:

General Election in October me thinks.

You can tell Brenda.

socrates

The big problem they have now is Sinn Fein and the Government of Ireland are having to remind them of their responsibilities under the Good Friday Agreement. My guess is the DUP will eventually have to turn them down leading to another election in the near future. Even with the DUP they have a very unstable grip on government.

This is SF putting their oar in because they are upset. After the DUP's poor showing in the Assembly elections they are surprised at their results. Why don't SF do the right thing - they stand, get the votes but then refuse to represent their electorate. Also it has nothing to do with SF no matter how they try to paint it.

TheBigBean

Rick Chasey wrote:

Yougov polls (which, after all ,were the most accurate this election).



Have to say, love the heat Gove is taking.

You need the control sample around whether May is a good or bad leader.

thistle_

oxoman wrote:

Boris should shut up for a change.

Apparently he wrote in the Sun this weekend that the Tories won a safe seat from Labour when they hadn't.
http://www.wrexham.com/news/foreign-sec ... 32714.html

kingstongraham

TheBigBean wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Yougov polls (which, after all ,were the most accurate this election).



Have to say, love the heat Gove is taking.

You need the control sample around whether May is a good or bad leader.

Didn't ask, but 48% say she should stand down, 38% say she should remain. 71% of Conservative voters think she should stay.

41% say Conservatives would have done much better without her as leader.

TheBigBean

KingstonGraham wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Yougov polls (which, after all ,were the most accurate this election).



Have to say, love the heat Gove is taking.

You need the control sample around whether May is a good or bad leader.

Didn't ask, but 48% say she should stand down, 38% say she should remain. 71% of Conservative voters think she should stay.

41% say Conservatives would have done much better without her as leader.

Trying to reconcile all those figures reminds me of yes minister.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0ZZJXw4MTA

rick_chasey

So there are some formal noises about successors to May, so I would reckon the odds of her lasting the next 6 months are getting longer and longer.

mrfpb

socrates wrote:

The big problem they have now is Sinn Fein and the Government of Ireland are having to remind them of their responsibilities under the Good Friday Agreement. My guess is the DUP will eventually have to turn them down leading to another election in the near future. Even with the DUP they have a very unstable grip on government.

This is SF putting their oar in because they are upset. After the DUP's poor showing in the Assembly elections they are surprised at their results. Why don't SF do the right thing - they stand, get the votes but then refuse to represent their electorate. Also it has nothing to do with SF no matter how they try to paint it.

Well since the NI election in March, Arlene Foster and the DUP have been twiddling their thumbs and failing to form a government. Foster should have resigned when she was forced to call the election. Sinn Fein may have little to do with the Westminster gov't, but they have a duty to protect their position in NI gov't. As it is, there will be deadlock in NI and Westminster. I think May is just playing for time, and every day she postpones another thing exposes her weakness. Eventually the party will get fed up and kick her out. It only requires 7 Tory rebels in a confidence vote to overturn the majority that DUP + Cons can muster.

Hammond gave a fairly robust interview on Marr's show yesterday putting forward his views as opposed to a party line or a series of soundbites. I think he has started his campaign for the leadership.

DeVlaeminck

BelgianBeerGeek wrote:

oxoman wrote:

Boris should shut up for a change. Whoever is in the position is in for a whole load of shite due to brexit. Best bet is to stay with what we have.

That would be the sensible thing to do, and probably what TM is banking on. A leadership challenge could out-fox her: who would want to be PM at this moment?

Trouble is if you pass up the opportunity who knows if it will come again. Boris isn't young and if the leadership is up for grabs now and he doesn't go for it it's not unlikely the next chance would be at least 5 yeArs away and then only if the Tories have lost the election and are looking at 5 years in opposition.

The truth is May ran a horrendous campaign and still just about won, Boris must back himself to do better, 5 years as PM and then retire while he's still young enough to enjoy life. He doesn't seem like te sort to want to cling to power into advanced age.

bianchimoon

simply can't understand why Boris and Leader can be mentioned in the same breath?

mrfpb

Portillo's view on the leadership race is worth a listen

https://twitter.com/bbcthisweek/status/ ... 5686780929

surrey_commuter

bianchimoon wrote:

simply can't understand why Boris and Leader can be mentioned in the same breath?

it seems the people who know him (MPs) think he is a twat but if he can get to the last two then the thought is that the Tory Party membership will vote for him in droves as he appears to bring stardust

bianchimoon

Jeremy and Boris, impossible to get a more polarising leadership choice come the next election