Election Predictions Please
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Strong and Stable Leadership..... oh hang on...
Well, you made your campaign all about you Theresa. Guess you've had your answer.
I seem to be with Ugo here, you had your chance Theresa, you got it wrong & the "saboteurs" and "enemies of the people" have spoken. Now f!ck off.CS7
Surrey Hills
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Stevo 666 wrote:Conservative overall majority.
Anything else would be at best a right mess and at worst a disaster.
QFT - a right fucking mess whichever side of the fence you sit onGET WHEEZY - WALNUT LUNG RACING TEAM™0 -
Stevo 666 wrote:No, but they may get taunted a bit tomorrow.
my oh my perhaps you need to edit this post lol!!!
Fantastic result for Corbyn, Labour, May and the Tories have been called out for ignoring the 48%, the poorest in society,continuing with austerity whilst protecting the wealthy
such a shame that the Scots have saved the day for these arrogant detached Tories who have fcuked us with brexit and division.
hopefully we ll have a more realistic brexit and seek a Norway/Swiss deal or even better forget the whole thing :shock:
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mamba80 wrote:
hopefully we ll have a more realistic brexit and seek a Norway/Swiss deal or even better forget the whole thing :shock:
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I admire your optimism Mamba. IMHO i think this will just mean we will struggle to get anything agreedGET WHEEZY - WALNUT LUNG RACING TEAM™0 -
DavesNotHere wrote:
I admire your optimism Mamba. IMHO i think this will just mean we will struggle to get anything agreed
We were and are only going to get what the EU wants to give us. We have a chance to lose TM's red lines me the chuckle brothers which can only help.0 -
Surrey Commuter wrote:
We were and are only going to get what the EU wants to give us. We have a chance to lose TM's red lines me the chuckle brothers which can only help.
There you go again. Talking down Britain
Not quite sure where this leads us, DUP are pro Brexit, but also pro single market and FOM.
Priti Patel was on last night repeatedly saying that we only had 11 days till negotiation starts, and that any result aside from a Tory majority was going to be dire.
WTF was Theresa doing calling an election that finished 11 days before the start of negotiations, moronic.You live and learn. At any rate, you live0 -
Jez mon wrote:
There you go again. Talking down Britain
Not quite sure where this leads us, DUP are pro Brexit, but also pro single market and FOM.
Priti Patel was on last night repeatedly saying that we only had 11 days till negotiation starts, and that any result aside from a Tory majority was going to be dire.
WTF was Theresa doing calling an election that finished 11 days before the start of negotiations, moronic.
What are you doing listening to Priti Patel silly boy?Faster than a tent.......0 -
Stevo 666 wrote:Tomorrows excuses will be fun to hear
Which are your favourite excuses so far?
Still, a damning indictment of Labour that they couldn't manage to win this and depressing that it will be played up as a great victory for Corbyn even though he is the reason Labour were doing so badly in the first place.Faster than a tent.......0 -
Surrey Commuter wrote:
We were and are only going to get what the EU wants to give us. We have a chance to lose TM's red lines me the chuckle brothers which can only help.
Not a chance. You really think the EU is going to close off such a large financial market? There will be negotiations, but to say EU has the final say in what they "wll give us" is completely wrong0 -
Isn't London the largest clearing centre for Euro transactions? With the reason for that being more than a part the fact London has all the auxiliary services built up around and needed by such a large financial centre. It doesn't make sense to destroy that and build it from near scratch in France or Germany. I doubt frau Merkel would allow France to get away with that.
May was never and will never be a leader. She's a bureaucrat best suited to the political poison chalice that is the home Secretary role. The longest serving HS for a very long time too.
Still she was better than the other options. Imagine even Ledsome looked better than Boris and Gove for a while. That really said a lot about the state of Tory leadership candidates.
Mind you, if you think Corbyn is any better. He's a stop gap until a less palatable candidate can have the odds stacked in his favour in the Labour leadership contest. Time for rigging the leadership vote with union help and that of the momentum group. PLP will get fcuked over so their power is limited. Then McC steps up or v worse.
Sorry if I sound pessimistic but I'm a disaffected voter with nobody worth voting for. We need leaders at this time and we've got nothing. Who in British political life can represent Britain with the talent of Merkel? The charisma of Macron?0 -
WeezySwiss wrote:
Not a chance. You really think the EU is going to close off such a large financial market? There will be negotiations, but to say EU has the final say in what they "wll give us" is completely wrong
how so? everything we want is theirs to give?0 -
Coopster the 1st wrote:Ah, so you take issue with me using 'snowflakes'
Revisit this and other political threads on here in 24 hours time and you'll see the snowflake mentality. They would not have that label if it did not apply!
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Veronese68 wrote:
in fairness he has no idea what it means0 -
Surrey Commuter wrote:
how so? everything we want is theirs to give?
https://www.ft.com/content/f6cda050-20b ... 9?mhq5j=e1
as one example. EU exports to UK heavily so no they want form us as well. We are a massive market for them and as such they need a deal with us just as much as we need a deal with EU. At the end of the day all the talk is media blustering sound bites.0 -
WeezySwiss wrote:
https://www.ft.com/content/f6cda050-20b ... 9?mhq5j=e1
as one example. EU exports to UK heavily so no they want form us as well. We are a massive market for them and as such they need a deal with us just as much as we need a deal with EU. At the end of the day all the talk is media blustering sound bites.
our trade balance is roughly equal but there economy is five times the size of ours so our need is five times greater than theirs. You are also discounting the importance they place on the preservation of the EU.
If you think it is a negotiation of equals just ask yourself who has decided the parameters?
we are approaching it like a bunch of amateurs to the extent that they wonder whether we are even serious0 -
Surrey Commuter wrote:
our trade balance is roughly equal but there economy is five times the size of ours so our need is five times greater than theirs. You are also discounting the importance they place on the preservation of the EU.
If you think it is a negotiation of equals just ask yourself who has decided the parameters?
we are approaching it like a bunch of amateurs to the extent that they wonder whether we are even serious
Disagree as they are 5 times as they also trade internally. But of a nation of 28 states we are a fifth? Sure, they'll throw that away.
Agreed there is the perception they need t put forward. However, negotiations are not that clear cut and as a trading partner we are massive for them as they are for us. So no I fundamentally disagree they hold the cards. Yes it appears out team are being muppets, but they also know they cannot simply let us leave without a deal as the likes of China (forget Trumpton for now) is the new block moving forward and China knows we are a big trading partner as well.0 -
WeezySwiss wrote:
Disagree as they are 5 times as they also trade internally. But of a nation of 28 states we are a fifth? Sure, they'll throw that away.
Agreed there is the perception they need t put forward. However, negotiations are not that clear cut and as a trading partner we are massive for them as they are for us. So no I fundamentally disagree they hold the cards. Yes it appears out team are being muppets, but they also know they cannot simply let us leave without a deal as the likes of China (forget Trumpton for now) is the new block moving forward and China knows we are a big trading partner as well.
But it is relative. They acct for just under half of our exports we will acct for roughly 10% of their exports. That does not make it a negotiation of equals.
The Chinese economy is much larger than ours (as is USA) so they will fark us over in a trade deal. e need to do deals with people big enough to matter but small enough to push around.
We may be the 5th largest economy in the world but as a % we are tiny so yes we can be pushed around and or ignored0 -
If only there was a thread for this sort of discussion.0
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Surrey Commuter wrote:
But it is relative. They acct for just under half of our exports we will acct for roughly 10% of their exports. That does not make it a negotiation of equals.
The Chinese economy is much larger than ours (as is USA) so they will fark us over in a trade deal. e need to do deals with people big enough to matter but small enough to push around.
We may be the 5th largest economy in the world but as a % we are tiny so yes we can be pushed around and or ignored
5th largest in the world, but who cares, sure. So EU should concentrate other other 4 and screw the 5th over to spite themselves. OK0 -
Surrey Commuter wrote:
But it is relative. They acct for just under half of our exports we will acct for roughly 10% of their exports. That does not make it a negotiation of equals.
The Chinese economy is much larger than ours (as is USA) so they will fark us over in a trade deal. e need to do deals with people big enough to matter but small enough to push around.
We may be the 5th largest economy in the world but as a % we are tiny so yes we can be pushed around and or ignored
5th largest but less that 4% of world GDP
Graham is right - we should reconvene on Brexit thread0 -
Surrey Commuter wrote:
5th largest but less that 4% of world GDP
Graham is right - we should reconvene on Brexit thread
Indeed, different thread but comment was made here 4% (actually less), but still a massive market for trade. People should not simply roll over and give up thinking EU holds all the cards
http://www.economywatch.com/economic-st ... Total_PPP/
EU shrinks:
https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-has-shru ... d-economy/
UK as a percentage of the EU with 28 member states is therefore a major loss to EU trade. That means UK has a negotiating position and we are not beholden to the EU. We both need each other, hence .......0 -
WeezySwiss wrote:
Indeed, different thread but comment was made here 4% (actually less), but still a massive market for trade. People should not simply roll over and give up thinking EU holds all the cards
http://www.economywatch.com/economic-st ... Total_PPP/
EU shrinks:
https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-has-shru ... d-economy/
UK as a percentage of the EU with 28 member states is therefore a major loss to EU trade. That means UK has a negotiating position and we are not beholden to the EU. We both need each other, hence .......
I wouldn't waste any more time Weezy. SC is an economic terrorist where he only wants to see bad things happen to the UK and there can never be any good economically from Brexit0 -
Coopster the 1st wrote:
I wouldn't waste any more time Weezy. SC is an economic terrorist where he only wants to see bad things happen to the UK and there can never be any good economically from BrexitIn 1962, Norway, the United Kingdom, Denmark and Ireland applied for membership in the European Economic Community (EEC). When France rebuffed Britain's application the following year, accession negotiations with Norway and the other countries were also suspended, because of strong economic ties between them. This happened again in 1967.[10]
Norway completed its negotiations for the terms to govern a Norwegian membership in the EEC on 22 January 1972. Following an overwhelming parliamentary majority in favour of joining the EEC in early 1972, the government decided to put the question to a popular referendum, scheduled for September 24 and 25.[11] The result was that 53.5% voted against membership and 46.5% for it.[10] The Norwegian Labour Party government led by Trygve Bratteli resigned over the outcome of the referendum, and a coalition government led by Lars Korvald took over.[12]
Norway entered into a trade agreement with the Community following the outcome of the referendum. That trade agreement remained in force until Norway joined the European Economic Area on 1 January 1994.[13]
On 28 November 1994, yet another referendum was held, narrowing the margin but yielding the same result: 52.2% opposed membership and 47.8% in favour, with a turn-out of 88.6%.[14] There are currently no plans to file another application./quIn 1962, Norway, the United Kingdom, Denmark and Ireland applied for membership in the European Economic Community (EEC). When France rebuffed Britain's application the following year, accession negotiations with Norway and the other countries were also suspended, because of strong economic ties between them. This happened again in 1967.[10]
Norway completed its negotiations for the terms to govern a Norwegian membership in the EEC on 22 January 1972. Following an overwhelming parliamentary majority in favour of joining the EEC in early 1972, the government decided to put the question to a popular referendum, scheduled for September 24 and 25.[11] The result was that 53.5% voted against membership and 46.5% for it.[10] The Norwegian Labour Party government led by Trygve Bratteli resigned over the outcome of the referendum, and a coalition government led by Lars Korvald took over.[12]
Norway entered into a trade agreement with the Community following the outcome of the referendum. That trade agreement remained in force until Norway joined the European Economic Area on 1 January 1994.[13]
On 28 November 1994, yet another referendum was held, narrowing the margin but yielding the same result: 52.2% opposed membership and 47.8% in favour, with a turn-out of 88.6%.[14] There are currently no plans to file another application.
The history of Norway and EU0 -
Coopster the 1st wrote:
I wouldn't waste any more time Weezy. SC is an economic terrorist where he only wants to see bad things happen to the UK and there can never be any good economically from Brexit
Well Coopster you have failed to name a single expert who thinks that Brexit is a good idea economically (so I am in good company) so why don' t you name one thing good economically that will come out of Brexit in the next ten years.0 -
"Economic terrorist"? I call Godwin's law on this one. Get tae the Brexit thread ye bam.0
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Ah Coopster playing the 'You're a traitor' card once again. It's been a while.0
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Ah, here come the lapdogs.
Do you lot wake up in the morning chanting 'Brexit must go badly'0