Giro 2017: Stage 16: Rovetta – Bormio 222 km *Spoilers*
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Well that would be the question.Rick Chasey wrote:What I really wanted to know was what kind of sh!t it was - normal or diahrreay.
Possibly the beer variety? Let's hope not.0 -
Just caught up with this. My that was a large door that Landa left open.
And I guess that good will which Dumoulin had banked wasn't worth as much as he thought. Could end up wishing he'd gone for the in the shorts option.0 -
bobmcstuff wrote:
Well that would be the question.Rick Chasey wrote:What I really wanted to know was what kind of sh!t it was - normal or diahrreay.
Possibly the beer variety? Let's hope not.
LTD confirms it was a diahhreay poo.0 -
If you think fortune favours the brave, given the race situation on the Stelvio, you'd have thought Quintana should have attacked then.
What we know now, he'd have monstered it.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:bobmcstuff wrote:
Well that would be the question.Rick Chasey wrote:What I really wanted to know was what kind of sh!t it was - normal or diahrreay.
Possibly the beer variety? Let's hope not.
LTD confirms it was a diahhreay poo.
Had to be a squirty one, he was far too quick to be sat at the road side knocking out King Kongs finger.0 -
Well sure, it's more, was it seriously watery it may reoccur. (I empathise - the feeling of your bowels going into over drive whilst in a cycling position is unusually uncomfortable).0
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https://twitter.com/bramtankink/status/ ... 5860416512
Hier nummers van gisteren. Zwaarste etappe in grote ronde ooit, vergelijkbaar met de zwaarste klassiekers. (Na 2,5week koers)
Here are the numbers from yesterday. The toughest stage in a grand tour ever, comparable with the toughest classics (after 2 and a half weeks racing).
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Based on NP that gives Bram an FTP of 385, would have expected slightly higher since that's only 5.4w/kg at threshold which puts him in the "domestic pro" section of the Coggan power chart.
w/kg for the stage appears to be based on average power rather than normalised (he's 71kg - same as me but he's 3-4" taller...)
Either that or his FTP isn't correct in that!
IF of .77 for 7 hours is pretty mental though - basically a 7 hour sweetspot workout...0 -
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Rick Chasey wrote:You see if the domestic pro can knock that out for 7 hours, 2 and a half weeks into a GT.
Obviously not, but that's not the point.
FTP will obviously go down over a 3 week tour but you can't really quantify that as you won't be doing new FTP tests every day... I would have expected an FTP in the high 5s and a lower IF.
This probably isn't the right forum to talk about the specifics really.0 -
pat1cp wrote:
There's some right "sh!t flinging" going on over there. :?Blazing Saddles wrote:It's a right old bun fight in the CN articles comment's section.
More entertaining than the actual stage.
I'll take popcorn, next visit.
can we have a link please - they've got a dozen stories up re. yesterday's stage now. Ta!0 -
Thick Mike wrote:TheBigBean wrote:Gweeds wrote:Movistar. No class.
Again.
Quintana should have let Nibali go?
They both should have let Dumoulin "go"
This says more about Qunitana's character to me. The other day when Nairo crashed, Dumoulin took charge and said 'hold up lads, we're going to wait for him' and nobody said 'nah, you're alright Tom, I'm just going to crack on because I might not get another chance to put time into the best climber in the race'
Nairo should have done the same yesterday, took charge and eased off. It was clear TomD needed a dump. If he was ill then once he got back on the bike it wouldn't take long to establish that he wasn't moving very fast and then the decision can be made to crack on, fair play.
So I'm with Gweeds here - no class. That's twice this race.0 -
Tom Dumpmoulin was eager to point out on the news last night that it was a 'gewone kut' poo caused by altitude.Correlation is not causation.0
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https://www.strava.com/activities/1001908814/overview
Ten Dam's Strava together with power data. He also reckons it was the hardest stage he's done! The Mortirolo was balls to the wall for him - and you can see really clearly how he gets more knackered on each climb too by how his power drops off.
FWIW this gives him an FTP around 5.9 w/kg (295w@74% = FTP ~~400W and he's about 67kg) which seems roughly what you'd expect.0 -
It was a key strategic point of the race - the final climb of a queen stage. It's where pure climbers have a opportunity to hurt the time triallists. It's not up to the race leader to neutralise the race at his convenience. He should have sorted out his guts earlier.hanshotfirst wrote:This says more about Qunitana's character to me. The other day when Nairo crashed, Dumoulin took charge and said 'hold up lads, we're going to wait for him' and nobody said 'nah, you're alright Tom, I'm just going to crack on because I might not get another chance to put time into the best climber in the race'
Nairo should have done the same yesterday, took charge and eased off. It was clear TomD needed a dump. If he was ill then once he got back on the bike it wouldn't take long to establish that he wasn't moving very fast and then the decision can be made to crack on, fair play.
So I'm with Gweeds here - no class. That's twice this race.
It's only a matter of time before riders start abusing this convention for their own strategic gain.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Above The Cows wrote:Tom Dumpmoulin was eager to point out on the news last night that it was a 'gewone kut' poo caused by altitude.
Best not translate that literally...0 -
RichN95 wrote:
It was a key strategic point of the race - the final climb of a queen stage. It's where pure climbers have a opportunity to hurt the time triallists. It's not up to the race leader to neutralise the race at his convenience. He should have sorted out his guts earlier.hanshotfirst wrote:This says more about Qunitana's character to me. The other day when Nairo crashed, Dumoulin took charge and said 'hold up lads, we're going to wait for him' and nobody said 'nah, you're alright Tom, I'm just going to crack on because I might not get another chance to put time into the best climber in the race'
Nairo should have done the same yesterday, took charge and eased off. It was clear TomD needed a dump. If he was ill then once he got back on the bike it wouldn't take long to establish that he wasn't moving very fast and then the decision can be made to crack on, fair play.
So I'm with Gweeds here - no class. That's twice this race.
It's only a matter of time before riders start abusing this convention for their own strategic gain.
Didn't Froome do this on a descent in the Tour a couple of years back to allow his domestique to get back to the group after a crash?0 -
Last year, I think.KingstonGraham wrote:Didn't Froome do this on a descent in the Tour a couple of years back to allow his domestique to get back to the group after a crash?
Also Contador abuses it a bit to change his bike at the base of a final climb.
I was, however, thinking of a rider just faking a problem to get a little respite and/or disrupt the momentum of a rival team on the front.Twitter: @RichN950 -
The joy of the unwritten rules is that they're unclear.
If they were set in stone, it'd be bloody boring.
As fans, you should always err on the side of whatever makes the race more interesting.
In this instance, this was for the best, I think....0 -
Article here with interviews from most parties: http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racin ... als-332303
Quintana: “We respected Dumoulin when he had his problem, but other teams made their own race. It’s cycling. He was a gentleman with me [two days ago], we tried to respect him.”
Pozzovivo: “There was a moment of slowing but then there was the hill to climb,but yeah, there was some fair play on the part of Movistar who could’ve pulled straight away and didn’t, in a way they paid back the favour from the other day. It wouldn’t have been possible for them to wait until he returned, the race was that climb in the end, if we didn’t make the final climb hard, then there’s no show.”
Nibali: “at the start we did wait a bit but there was an important escape with Kruijswijk and we couldn’t wait much longer.”
Jungels: “This is always very hard to judge, there are race situations when you have a stage of 220km and you’re entering the last climb, it’s always hard to say wait or not to wait, especially if you have teams pulling. Sometimes that’s racing and I’m convinced that he’ll come back the next days as strong as he was before.”
And finally the man himself:
“No, I don’t think [Movistar should’ve waited],” Dumoulin said. “The chase was on and you cannot give Kruijswijk three minutes, so it’s a difficult situation.
“I heard that Movistar waited a bit, but the race was already on, and they were chasing the break with Kruijswijk, so I can’t see them waiting and giving Kruijswijk three minutes.”0 -
RichN95 wrote:
Last year, I think.KingstonGraham wrote:Didn't Froome do this on a descent in the Tour a couple of years back to allow his domestique to get back to the group after a crash?
Also Contador abuses it a bit to change his bike at the base of a final climb.
I was, however, thinking of a rider just faking a problem to get a little respite and/or disrupt the momentum of a rival team on the front.
Tell Mr Froome that then0 -
Easier just to stop all this "do you slow, don't you slow" stuff and just race it no quarter given. If you have bad luck - crash, mechanical etc that would be just bad luck but everyone would know where they stood.
I also don't really understand the team with the jersey being expected to ride on the front and bring back breakaways. For all the GC contenders they have the same exposure to breakaways and they same responsibility to do something about it but perhaps I'm missing something.“You may think that; I couldn’t possibly comment!”
Wilier Cento Uno SR/Wilier Mortirolo/Specialized Roubaix Comp/Kona Hei Hei/Calibre Bossnut0 -
I don't know him personally.Richmond Racer 2 wrote:Tell Mr Froome that then
I thought the other riders should have told him to get stuffed. I won't blame a rider for trying to pull a fast one, I'll blame the prevailing attitudes and media judgement that make it viable.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Breaking the unwritten rules has been more harshly viewed over the years than some of the written ones.0
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Really enjoying this Giro. Great highlights and JE has just the right balance as a presenter.
Glad TomD still managed to stay in the GC fight.0 -
RichN95 wrote:
I don't know him personally.Richmond Racer 2 wrote:Tell Mr Froome that then
I thought the other riders should have told him to get stuffed. I won't blame a rider for trying to pull a fast one, I'll blame the prevailing attitudes and media judgement that make it viable.
Poor Fenton. Always mizunderstood0 -
RichN95 wrote:
Last year, I think.KingstonGraham wrote:Didn't Froome do this on a descent in the Tour a couple of years back to allow his domestique to get back to the group after a crash?
Also Contador abuses it a bit to change his bike at the base of a final climb.
I was, however, thinking of a rider just faking a problem to get a little respite and/or disrupt the momentum of a rival team on the front.
I take your point, but they're cyclists, not football players.
I just think it's incredibly unsportsmanlike to take advantage of a situation like this. If your rival cracks then by all means, put the hammer down, but something beyond their control - be sportsmanlike. To be clear, if someone was to take advantage of generosity in the way you are suggesting (holding up the peloton any time it seems to suit a given rider) then I'd see that as completely unacceptable and unsportsmanlike as well.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Above The Cows wrote:Tom Dumpmoulin was eager to point out on the news last night that it was a 'gewone kut' poo caused by altitude.
Best not translate that literally...
Inderdaad.Correlation is not causation.0
