Froome run off the road

daniel_b

Yes people really are that dumb - a large proportion of people do not like or have the ability to think for themselves.

pinno

yourpaceormine wrote:

Tangled Metal wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Tangled Metal wrote:

BTW...associates?

I...anymore.

If my addled brain is working correctly the Glasgow University media studies group looked at newspapers, their readership and electoral swing. Three studies ("Bad News", "More Bad News" and the third was "Really Bad News" iirc). Early eighties, so the press was slightly more restrained (i.e. less rabid), and this is where my memory goes quite dim, I'm pretty sure they found that there was considerable partisanship re: newspaper loyalty, and that there was real evidence of press influence of voting patterns (rather than just a perceived influence). Obviously they did cover a lot more than this, and in much greater depth but it is a very long time ago that I read them.

I read 'Really bad news' but I did not read the follow ups.

To me the Daily Heil seems to push the buttons of the latent xenophobia and Island mentality that is still at the core of British culture. As a foreigner, I am more aware of the inherent bigotry in more people than we would want to realise.
UKIP for me is testament to that and I honestly think that most of the press were pro-brexit and tapped into that xenophobia. I would eat my hat if the press had no influence on the result and I also believe that not many of the brexit voters really understand the mechanics and benefits of being part of the EU. It has always been bad press and sensationalism when it came to Brussels and policies. They did not vote on constitutional, financial and social matters, they voted on the perceived threat to the emotive press fuelled: freedoms and 'federalism' and having 'less control' over their lives when the truth is, these were the one's incapable of and disinterested in the collective good and politics in general.
Now they really have shot themselves in the foot and don't even know the extent of the damage as they blindly sail into the sunset of independence, isolationism and a justified, tangible sense of 'we told 'em'.
I am so hacked off at the press in this matter and even more hacked off with the plethora of Alf Garnett's speaking English like 5 years old's being interviewed in Margate; unemployable, stupid, badly educated, racist, coarse. I really hope they get bitten so badly by this, that sometime in the future, there will be a U turn.

...and before some people get on the bandwagon and say "I voted to leave and I am not one of them", I think you make up less than 5% of the thinking part of the Brexit vote.

Friday rant over.

andyp

Pinno wrote:

I read 'Really bad news' but I did not read the follow ups.

To me the Daily Heil seems to push the buttons of the latent xenophobia and Island mentality that is still at the core of British culture. As a foreigner, I am more aware of the inherent bigotry in more people than we would want to realise.
UKIP for me is testament to that and I honestly think that most of the press were pro-brexit and tapped into that xenophobia. I would eat my hat if the press had no influence on the result and I also believe that not many of the brexit voters really understand the mechanics and benefits of being part of the EU. It has always been bad press and sensationalism when it came to Brussels and policies. They did not vote on constitutional, financial and social matters, they voted on the perceived threat to the emotive press fuelled: freedoms and 'federalism' and having 'less control' over their lives when the truth is, these were the one's incapable of and disinterested in the collective good and politics in general.
Now they really have shot themselves in the foot and don't even know the extent of the damage as they blindly sail into the sunset of independence, isolationism and a justified, tangible sense of 'we told 'em'.
I am so hacked off at the press in this matter and even more hacked off with the plethora of Alf Garnett's speaking English like 5 years old's being interviewed in Margate; unemployable, stupid, badly educated, racist, coarse. I really hope they get bitten so badly by this, that sometime in the future, there will be a U turn.

...and before some people get on the bandwagon and say "I voted to leave and I am not one of them", I think you make up less than 5% of the thinking part of the Brexit vote.

Friday rant over.

Great rant, 10/10. Would read again.

daniel_b

Pinno wrote:

I read 'Really bad news' but I did not read the follow ups.

To me the Daily Heil seems to push the buttons of the latent xenophobia and Island mentality that is still at the core of British culture. As a foreigner, I am more aware of the inherent bigotry in more people than we would want to realise.
UKIP for me is testament to that and I honestly think that most of the press were pro-brexit and tapped into that xenophobia. I would eat my hat if the press had no influence on the result and I also believe that not many of the brexit voters really understand the mechanics and benefits of being part of the EU. It has always been bad press and sensationalism when it came to Brussels and policies. They did not vote on constitutional, financial and social matters, they voted on the perceived threat to the emotive press fuelled: freedoms and 'federalism' and having 'less control' over their lives when the truth is, these were the one's incapable of and disinterested in the collective good and politics in general.
Now they really have shot themselves in the foot and don't even know the extent of the damage as they blindly sail into the sunset of independence, isolationism and a justified, tangible sense of 'we told 'em'.
I am so hacked off at the press in this matter and even more hacked off with the plethora of Alf Garnett's speaking English like 5 years old's being interviewed in Margate; unemployable, stupid, badly educated, racist, coarse. I really hope they get bitten so badly by this, that sometime in the future, there will be a U turn.

...and before some people get on the bandwagon and say "I voted to leave and I am not one of them", I think you make up less than 5% of the thinking part of the Brexit vote.

Friday rant over.

I wholeheartedly agree with that - nicely put Sir.

milton50

Richmond Racer 2 wrote:

British press are the most right wing of all core European countries

It says something when the troll factories in Russia and Moldova aren't set to full throttle on the UK as its deemed redundant as the press here already do the job of spreading fake news

It's quite damning of the French public that a third of the electorate voted for an openly racist candidate if their right wing press aren't particularly right wing then!

tailwindhome

Milton50 wrote:

Richmond Racer 2 wrote:

British press are the most right wing of all core European countries

It says something when the troll factories in Russia and Moldova aren't set to full throttle on the UK as its deemed redundant as the press here already do the job of spreading fake news

It's quite damning of the French public that a third of the electorate voted for an openly racist candidate if their right wing press aren't particularly right wing then!

Yet quite uplifting that 4 million turned up to the ballot box and selected neither candidate or spoiled their vote.

Richmond Racer 2

Milton50 wrote:

Richmond Racer 2 wrote:

British press are the most right wing of all core European countries

It says something when the troll factories in Russia and Moldova aren't set to full throttle on the UK as its deemed redundant as the press here already do the job of spreading fake news

It's quite damning of the French public that a third of the electorate voted for an openly racist candidate if their right wing press aren't particularly right wing then!

Well I wouldnt crow too much - the UK election looks set to give a landslide victory to a PM and political party who've purposefully stoked xenophobia and contributed to a sharp increase in hate crimes, and who've moved further and further right into UKIP territory. So much so that the Tories are now Bluekip.

Out of the two nations, I know which one I think has the larger number of xenophobic and racist idiots who lack the decency to pull back from electing a fascist.

Richmond Racer 2

Rick Chasey wrote:

Morning RR - come out from hibernation?

Good moaning, Rick

Yes, back from Sardinia and an excessive amount of wine and food. I'll upload a couple of shots from st 1 in the right thread this arvo

rick_chasey

Laarvely laarvley.

What were the regional specialities with exploring, and those that are regional for a reason....?

milton50

Richmond Racer 2 wrote:

Milton50 wrote:

Richmond Racer 2 wrote:

British press are the most right wing of all core European countries

It says something when the troll factories in Russia and Moldova aren't set to full throttle on the UK as its deemed redundant as the press here already do the job of spreading fake news

It's quite damning of the French public that a third of the electorate voted for an openly racist candidate if their right wing press aren't particularly right wing then!

Out of the two nations, I know which one I think has the larger number of xenophobic and racist idiots who lack the decency to pull back from electing a fascist.

I mean, I'm no fan of Tory policy and I think Theresa May will turn out to be a really poor PM, but you genuinely believe that May is as much a fascist as Marine Le Pen?

Richmond Racer 2

Rick Chasey wrote:

Laarvely laarvley.

What were the regional specialities with exploring, and those that are regional for a reason....?

I stuffed myself with:
Pecorino Sardo with honey
Roast pork - they love suckling pig - with roast potatoes and rosemary
Culurgiones - pasta filled with potato, pecorino, mint, served with rich tomato sauce
Caprese
Sardinian flatbread
Sebadas fried pastry with honey brushed on top, filled with ricotta or soft pecorino (smazing)

I guzzled Vermentino, and also a lovely drop or 20 of Orriu' Quartomoro Bvl

Richmond Racer 2

Milton50 wrote:

Richmond Racer 2 wrote:

Milton50 wrote:

Richmond Racer 2 wrote:

British press are the most right wing of all core European countries

It says something when the troll factories in Russia and Moldova aren't set to full throttle on the UK as its deemed redundant as the press here already do the job of spreading fake news

It's quite damning of the French public that a third of the electorate voted for an openly racist candidate if their right wing press aren't particularly right wing then!

Out of the two nations, I know which one I think has the larger number of xenophobic and racist idiots who lack the decency to pull back from electing a fascist.

I mean, I'm no fan of Tory policy and I think Theresa May will turn out to be a really poor PM, but you genuinely believe that May is as much a fascist as Marine Le Pen?

I think May is an authoritarian. And she has no hesitation in using whats very close to hate speech to bring Kippers over to Team May

rick_chasey

Richmond Racer 2 wrote:

Culurgiones - pasta filled with potato, pecorino, mint, served with rich tomato sauce
l

Richmond Racer 2

Rick Chasey wrote:

Richmond Racer 2 wrote:

Culurgiones - pasta filled with potato, pecorino, mint, served with rich tomato sauce
l

Carb on carb FTW

above_the_cows

This thread is why this forum is the best pro race forum on the interweb.

I am off to find me some sebadas, they sound lekker in the extreme, while revising for my inburgerings exam.

Oh and RR I is getting the dress out tonight.

blazing_saddles

Richmond Racer 2 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Laarvely laarvley.

What were the regional specialities with exploring, and those that are regional for a reason....?

I stuffed myself with:
Pecorino Sardo with honey
Roast pork - they love suckling pig - with roast potatoes and rosemary
Culurgiones - pasta filled with potato, pecorino, mint, served with rich tomato sauce
Caprese
Sardinian flatbread
Sebadas fried pastry with honey brushed on top, filled with ricotta or soft pecorino (smazing)

I guzzled Vermentino, and also a lovely drop or 20 of Orriu' Quartomoro Bvl

After that lot it's no wonder they call it spumante.
Where you of to next?
Heading to them thar hills?

above_the_cows

Rick Chasey wrote:

Hey, Mr Doodles what are you doing here?

Coach H

Saw Ned Boulting in Lincoln last night and he stated he wouldn't be at all surprised if Froome was deliberatelly targeted and run off the road. Summary of his reasoning below
- Roads in area packed with pro cyclists
- French public in area well aware that roads are packed with pro cyclists
- French drivers in area well used to pro cyclists and are very respectful and knowledgable
- French hate Chris Froome
- French hate Team SKY

RichN95.

Coach H wrote:

Saw Ned Boulting in Lincoln last night and he stated he wouldn't be at all surprised if Froome was deliberatelly targeted and run off the road. Summary of his reasoning below
- Roads in area packed with pro cyclists
- French public in area well aware that roads are packed with pro cyclists
- French drivers in area well used to pro cyclists and are very respectful and knowledgable
- French hate Chris Froome
- French hate Team SKY

I'm not buying into that reasoning I'm afraid. A lot of very broad generalisations and assumptions needed to make it even slightly credible.

Was the show good?

Coach H

RichN95 wrote:

Coach H wrote:

Saw Ned Boulting in Lincoln last night and he stated he wouldn't be at all surprised if Froome was deliberatelly targeted and run off the road. Summary of his reasoning below
- Roads in area packed with pro cyclists
- French public in area well aware that roads are packed with pro cyclists
- French drivers in area well used to pro cyclists and are very respectful and knowledgable
- French hate Chris Froome
- French hate Team SKY

I'm not buying into that reasoning I'm afraid. A lot of very broad generalisations and assumptions needed to make it even slightly credible.

Was the show good?

Yes the show was good.

Bit of a naff start involving a bad unfolding and folding of his Brompton that was poorly executed and a bit pointless but after that he eased into an easy narative style with some genuine insights. Question and answer session after the interval got bogged down in pointless and repetative doping questions but Ned was far more forthright and open in his opinions on riders than I expected. Either he's sure none of the individuals and organisations involved will hear of his content or he doesn't care. Overall he came across as part fan, part media pro and part cynical journalist.

Overall a good night out for £20.

FocusZing

I'm surprised at that given he has a vested interest in a cleaner image. Then again I guess he doesn't want to look nieve or disingenuous.

awavey

RichN95 wrote:

Coach H wrote:

Saw Ned Boulting in Lincoln last night and he stated he wouldn't be at all surprised if Froome was deliberatelly targeted and run off the road. Summary of his reasoning below
- Roads in area packed with pro cyclists
- French public in area well aware that roads are packed with pro cyclists
- French drivers in area well used to pro cyclists and are very respectful and knowledgable
- French hate Chris Froome
- French hate Team SKY

I'm not buying into that reasoning I'm afraid. A lot of very broad generalisations and assumptions needed to make it even slightly credible.

the first 3 points Id go along with which makes it unusual, its the last 2 Id want to see more evidence than some idiot (who we dont even know was french in the first place) chucking a cup of wee on him that theres any "hate" involved, and no the numpties on twitter or at the clinic dont count.

Richmond Racer 2

awavey wrote:

RichN95 wrote:

Coach H wrote:

Saw Ned Boulting in Lincoln last night and he stated he wouldn't be at all surprised if Froome was deliberatelly targeted and run off the road. Summary of his reasoning below
- Roads in area packed with pro cyclists
- French public in area well aware that roads are packed with pro cyclists
- French drivers in area well used to pro cyclists and are very respectful and knowledgable
- French hate Chris Froome
- French hate Team SKY

I'm not buying into that reasoning I'm afraid. A lot of very broad generalisations and assumptions needed to make it even slightly credible.

the first 3 points Id go along with which makes it unusual, its the last 2 Id want to see more evidence than some idiot (who we dont even know was french in the first place) chucking a cup of wee on him that theres any "hate" involved, and no the numpties on twitter or at the clinic dont count.

Anecdote from yours truly from the 2015 Tour. I was on the Alpe, and as Froome approached (with Porte and Poels in close attendance) French roadside along from me and on the other side of the road booed him and some gestured at him in ways that were the opposite of friendly (exaggerated waving of thumbs down and so on). There was an atmosphere alright.

You don't really see it at other races in France, but the Tour is a different proposition and environment. And the French media don't like Sky, and TV and print coverage isn't sympathetic which hypes things up even more

ddraver

compared to what you threw at him though RR, that was pretty friendly!

:P

Richmond Racer 2

ddraver wrote:

compared to what you threw at him though RR, that was pretty friendly!

:P

He he!

RoadPainter

Richmond Racer 2 wrote:

British press are the most right wing of all core European countries

It says something when the troll factories in Russia and Moldova aren't set to full throttle on the UK as its deemed redundant as the press here already do the job of spreading fake news

Apologies for invading what seems to be a developing echo chamber...
I'd be interested to know of any evidence you have to back this up. I saw a study a few months ago that said our press was perceived as right-biased by a higher share of population than was the case in other countries. This just means the press is further right than much of the population. It doesn't mean we've got the most right-wing press, despite what you might believe to be the case.

IMO There's an unfortunate number of left leaning people who criticise the lack of critical thinking on the right (justifiably so) but then display similar lack of critical thinking when reading stories in their preferred left leaning publication.

There are idiots on all sides of politics who believe ridiculous stories to be true - take the Leave bus claim and match it with the Remain forecasts of economic catastrophe, take the Brexit 'we can get what we want from EU' and then watch others who swallow the EU's EUR50m / EUR100m bills as fact.

And for every person that doesn't want to discuss politics with a DM reader, there's another who doesn't want to discuss it with a Guardian reader.
I generally sit in both camps, but felt I ought to point out the hypocrisy that runs through much of the off-topic posts in this thread (this post taken as one example, the Margate Friday rant with agreeing posts quickly discouraging any challenge another obvious one)

Good to hear Froome wasn't hurt.

ddraver

There are a couple of 100 + page threads in Cake Stop for this discussion.

RoadPainter

ddraver wrote:

There are a couple of 100 + page threads in Cake Stop for this discussion.

Interested to understand why you felt the previous political posts on this thread didn't merit this response?

ddraver

get over yourself...

There is a place to talk politics, It would be nice not to import the crazy here - we have enough of a reputation...

RoadPainter

ddraver wrote:

get over yourself...

There is a place to talk politics, It would be nice not to import the crazy here - we have enough of a reputation...

:roll: :roll: