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Yeah, it's true, still insanity though.surrey_commuter said:
look up "military industrial complex"focuszing723 said:
The F35 that crashed into the sea because one of the covers was left on the inlet to the engine, cost a hundred million quid!surrey_commuter said:
Nope I am saying that our politicians strut around the world acting as if we do have that stuffMattFalle said:sorry - so are you saying we have all that stuff?
We could sail our aircraft carrier into the Black Sea but I imagine we would be too censored scared of losing it
When you see the USAF planes in the sky. I just cannot comprehend how they manage to finance it all, it boggles my mind. If there was still a Gold standard I'm sure we'd all be fvcked, it just doesn't add up.0 -
If I understand his position correctly then Rick would argue that so long as the economy grows faster than a the debt then all will be fine. On the plus side it provides jobs, export opportunities and allows Govt to funnel R&D cash into the private sector.focuszing723 said:
Yeah, it's true, still insanity though.surrey_commuter said:
look up "military industrial complex"focuszing723 said:
The F35 that crashed into the sea because one of the covers was left on the inlet to the engine, cost a hundred million quid!surrey_commuter said:
Nope I am saying that our politicians strut around the world acting as if we do have that stuffMattFalle said:sorry - so are you saying we have all that stuff?
We could sail our aircraft carrier into the Black Sea but I imagine we would be too censored scared of losing it
When you see the USAF planes in the sky. I just cannot comprehend how they manage to finance it all, it boggles my mind. If there was still a Gold standard I'm sure we'd all be fvcked, it just doesn't add up.
To clarify I am only saying that a military industrial complex potentially makes more sense than paying people to dig holes and fill them in again or building a railway to nowhere0 -
the whole military is the most inefficient outdated thing in the world staffed in the decison making areas by short sighted, not very intelligent dinosaurs.
if it was a civvie business it would last 6 months then go massively embarrassingly bankrupt..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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is it true that we have more Admirals than ships and more Generals than Regiments?MattFalle said:the whole military is the most inefficient outdated thing in the world staffed in the decison making areas by short sighted, not very intelligent dinosaurs.
if it was a civvie business it would last 6 months then go massively embarrassingly bankrupt.0 -
sounds about right, tbh.surrey_commuter said:
is it true that we have more Admirals than ships and more Generals than Regiments?MattFalle said:the whole military is the most inefficient outdated thing in the world staffed in the decison making areas by short sighted, not very intelligent dinosaurs.
if it was a civvie business it would last 6 months then go massively embarrassingly bankrupt.
the north koreans have more troops than we have bullets. its probably the same ratio with the Russians.
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Google "Ajax armoured vehicle" for a prime example of military efficiency..
The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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A small unknown fact for those of you that think the British Army can take on any part of any other Army:
at the moment there is a shortage of green belts in the Army so recruits and trained soldiers who need belts cannot get them so people are having to share belts to keep their trousers up.
and you expect anyone at all to take on the Russians?
#fuckthat.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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The US squaddies nicknamed the UK squaddies "the borrowers" for a reason.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
That could be yet another reason.mrb123 said:
They're all really small?pblakeney said:The US squaddies nicknamed the UK squaddies "the borrowers" for a reason.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
700 Russian oligarchs got given “golden” visas since that was an option.
Plus govt refused to introduce public registers of beneficial ownership or implement the ISC Russia Report.
This pretending to be tough on Russia is nonsense.0 -
You have to admit, the Russians are utter kings of trolling (and this is not a good thing).
On meeting Truss, "UK diplomats came unprepared" and said it was like "a mute talking to a deaf person".
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Is that trolling or a fair assessment of Truss and Johnson?rick_chasey said:You have to admit, the Russians are utter kings of trolling (and this is not a good thing).
On meeting Truss, "UK diplomats came unprepared" and said it was like "a mute talking to a deaf person".0 -
Also called Truss an ignorant lightweight who spends too much time on social media.
Incredible diplomacy.
And pross - the fine line between fair assessment and trolling is why they are kings of their dubious craft.0 -
US President Joe Biden has said American citizens should leave Ukraine immediately.
Speaking to NBC News, Mr Biden added that he will not send troops to rescue US nationals from Ukraine if Russia invades.
He added: "It's not like we're dealing with a terrorist organisation.
"We're dealing with one of the largest armies in the world.
"It's a very different situation and things could go crazy quickly."
When asked if there was a scenario that could prompt him to send troops to rescue Americans fleeing Ukraine, he replied: "There's not. That's a world war when Americans and Russia start shooting at one another."
https://news.sky.com/story/us-president-joe-biden-says-american-citizens-they-should-leave-ukraine-now-12538715
Sting should throw in a remix of Russians for the 184 million quid.0 -
Headlines aren't looking promising.
About to go and bury my head in the sand. Figuratively.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
How feasible is it to isolate Russia completely and let them cook in their own stock? I mean everything... no flights in and out of Moscow, no transactions, nobody buy their oil and gas, if somebody does, ends up with the same sanctions, foreign assets seized, Russian citizen expelled... basically set them up for starvation and a new revolution, which seems to be the only way things get to change there?
If this was possible, my feeling is that Putin would get poisoned within monthsleft the forum March 20230 -
China for one, aren't going to do that. They actually support Russia in terms of the Ukraine not joining NATO.ugo.santalucia said:How feasible is it to isolate Russia completely and let them cook in their own stock? I mean everything... no flights in and out of Moscow, no transactions, nobody buy their oil and gas, if somebody does, ends up with the same sanctions, foreign assets seized, Russian citizen expelled... basically set them up for starvation and a new revolution, which seems to be the only way things get to change there?
If this was possible, my feeling is that Putin would get poisoned within months0 -
They do, but even China will realise that Russia's status is only due to a large army and nuclear deterrent. Economically, they are nobody... if you starve them, they won't be able to pay their troops... the regime would be short lived. I don't think China would risk taking the side of a loser and seeing their manufacturing empire eroded.focuszing723 said:
China for one, aren't going to do that. They actually support Russia in terms of the Ukraine not joining NATO.ugo.santalucia said:How feasible is it to isolate Russia completely and let them cook in their own stock? I mean everything... no flights in and out of Moscow, no transactions, nobody buy their oil and gas, if somebody does, ends up with the same sanctions, foreign assets seized, Russian citizen expelled... basically set them up for starvation and a new revolution, which seems to be the only way things get to change there?
If this was possible, my feeling is that Putin would get poisoned within months
This is Putin's last chance... in 10 years time nobody will be interested in buying Russian or indeed Ukrainian gas... so it's now or never. He needs to be economically squashed, come what may... if we have to endure a winter with restrictions on the use of gas, then so be it, price worth paying to get rid of him.left the forum March 20230 -
I’m going to put my hand up and admit that one of my reignited hobbies is military plane spotting. There, I’ve said it. I used to combine it with road bike training when I was a kid (it helped that I lived next to an RAF base) and in recent years I’ve picked it up again.
Anyway, myself and my fellow geeks have been watching the near constant procession this week of USAF ‘Reach’ transport flights from the US and from the big hub at Rammstein onwards to the civilian airport at Rzeszów–Jasionka in Poland. It’s the closest strip to Belarus and Ukraine. There have been dozens and dozens of flights in and out. I’ve just had a quick scan of the ADSB tracking app just there, and that’s another one heading back from Poland. There’s also a flight of Blackhawks making their way East at the moment which is suspect will be for extraction. Add to this the B-52s that arrived at Fairford on Wednesday and the detachment of F-15s that were meant to transit through the UK to the US after six months in the Far East but have been kept in at Lakenheath and you have a worrying build up.
None of this NATO and US build up is of invasion strength, but I suspect it’s now a foregone conclusion that Putin will kick off, and this is a show of force and preparation for a mass exodus of Ukrainian civilians.
It’s all a bit grim.
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They are sat on mineral resources though, look at Germany's reaction to recent events? Our military planes had to fly around Germany to get to the Ukraine.ugo.santalucia said:focuszing723 said:
China for one, aren't going to do that. They actually support Russia in terms of the Ukraine not joining NATO.ugo.santalucia said:How feasible is it to isolate Russia completely and let them cook in their own stock? I mean everything... no flights in and out of Moscow, no transactions, nobody buy their oil and gas, if somebody does, ends up with the same sanctions, foreign assets seized, Russian citizen expelled... basically set them up for starvation and a new revolution, which seems to be the only way things get to change there?
If this was possible, my feeling is that Putin would get poisoned within months
They do, but even China will realise that Russia's status is only due to a large army and nuclear deterrent. Economically, they are nobody... if you starve them, they won't be able to pay their troops... the regime would be short lived. I don't think China would risk taking the side of a loser and seeing their manufacturing empire eroded.
This is Putin's last chance... in 10 years time nobody will be interested in buying Russian or indeed Ukrainian gas... so it's now or never. He needs to be economically squashed, come what may... if we have to endure a winter with restrictions on the use of gas, then so be it, price worth paying to get rid of him.
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Germany is a lot like WWII France. They might be in for a shock when Russia get closer than they like.0
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I see your point but we have not even sorted out BP, stopped the money washing through London or stopped taking their political donations.ugo.santalucia said:
They do, but even China will realise that Russia's status is only due to a large army and nuclear deterrent. Economically, they are nobody... if you starve them, they won't be able to pay their troops... the regime would be short lived. I don't think China would risk taking the side of a loser and seeing their manufacturing empire eroded.focuszing723 said:
China for one, aren't going to do that. They actually support Russia in terms of the Ukraine not joining NATO.ugo.santalucia said:How feasible is it to isolate Russia completely and let them cook in their own stock? I mean everything... no flights in and out of Moscow, no transactions, nobody buy their oil and gas, if somebody does, ends up with the same sanctions, foreign assets seized, Russian citizen expelled... basically set them up for starvation and a new revolution, which seems to be the only way things get to change there?
If this was possible, my feeling is that Putin would get poisoned within months
This is Putin's last chance... in 10 years time nobody will be interested in buying Russian or indeed Ukrainian gas... so it's now or never. He needs to be economically squashed, come what may... if we have to endure a winter with restrictions on the use of gas, then so be it, price worth paying to get rid of him.0 -
Yes you can tell that everyone will be all for strong sanctions but maybe not so much the ones that affect their own interests.
It's frightening that an autocratic state is on the verge of invading a large European democracy.
Putin's Russia has seen just about all their neighbouring states turn away from them to some degree and their response has been to use force either directly or by propping up Russia friendly regimes or factions within those states. International relations aren't something I spend a lot of my time reading up on but Putin seems to take China as a role model suppressing opposition internally and externally.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
I don't see what Putin has to gain. If invaded, Ukraine will no doubt engage in gorilla warfare. Russians will then wonder the point is when the Russian bodies start adding up.1
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Yeah exactly.TheBigBean said:I don't see what Putin has to gain. If invaded, Ukraine will no doubt engage in gorilla warfare. Russians will then wonder the point is when the Russian bodies start adding up.
I think he is in a constant struggle to make Russia appear a big player on the world stage, so I suspect he's enjoying all the attention he's getting from the various world leaders.
They certainly weren't knocking on his door beforehand.
I read somewhere about the volume of Russian trade that goes through the Crimea so their obsession with that makes geopolitical sense.
The only way I can really see an invasion actually working is the Russians driving on Kiev, obliterating the Ukrainian army replacing the government with a pro-Kremlin puppet and returning the troops back to the border, though even that is fraught with more problems then it is probably worth.0 -
I'm never sure if Putin is really a conservative Russian nationalist at heart or whether he just plays on that to secure his support base within Russia.
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For the war nerds, there is still the impact of Rasputitsa to consider, which starts in March (though nowadays there are a lot more paved roads, but still).0
