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Yes, I thought the same about the “writing off loans” piece.shirley_basso said:I'm extremely cynical.
I wonder if he hasn't already set up his own charitable foundation ready to recieve those 'net proceeds' if, as Rick says, there are any.
Also re: the supposed writing off of loans, the company value will be adjusted for debt, so it's meaningless.
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To be clear I'm not having a dig. I thought it was an interesting point that the same map could, with quite subtle differences of interpretation, indicate very different scenarios on the ground.pblakeney said:
Fair enough but right now administrative control is way down on my list of priorities.rjsterry said:
Not so much about what areas are shaded as what that shading denotes. Obviously if the map is showing areas with some Russian military presence that is < areas where Russian military has control < Russia has taken over local administrative control. The article was arguing that we should be careful that our maps aren't used to overstate how well the Russian military is doing.pblakeney said:
Yeahbut, I'd expect "our" maps to have less red than "their" maps.rjsterry said:
Have just been reading about the dangers of seeing a red area on a map and assuming that means entirely under Russian control (as opposed to where Russia holds the upper hand but the land is still contested). Important to remember that maps are not neutral factual documents.pblakeney said:
Yeah, I can see that the river kicks west at the Black Sea.thegreatdivide said:pblakeney - Kherson is right by the Dnieper. It's on the west bank but it's smack bang next to it. It's an important port to the Black Sea.
Bigger concern is that the Russian controlled area is extended west and north of there. Odesa will be a major asset to capture too.
Anyway, my original point was that they are not stopping at the Dneiper.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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This is somewhat depressing in the view of loyal Russian press that it gives.
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Too true. It won’t be as much fun being an Oligarch when you’re banned from the pleasures the West has to offer though.rick_chasey said:Oligarchs either keep their money and loyalty or they end up getting a sudden urge to jump out of their penthouse and impale themselves on the gate below.
That’s the deal.Pinno, מלך אידיוט וחרא מכונאי0 -
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Talk on the radio the other day is there are rumours he has cancer and is on steroids
This type of scenario has crossed my mind a few times this week. He has a terminal illness and this is his last hurrah. A scary prospect if he has nothing to lose.
The other thought that crossed my mind is that he has looked at the leadership of the western powers and sees how weak and inept they are in general and thought this is the time to do something.
I think the west will reach a point where they have to intervene from a humanitarian perspective. Even if it is non-military, if any harm comes to them while they do this then we are in a very bad place.Bianchi ImpulsoBMC Teammachine SLR02 01Trek Domane AL3“When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. “ ~H.G. Wells Edit - "Unless it's a BMX"1 -
I had assumed that Russia were good at this war business but apart from massive numbers they seem to lack training and organisation.
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Writing off the loans will increase the value of the club, obviously. He bought it for £140m in 2003 and should go for a couple of billion.shirley_basso said:I'm extremely cynical.
I wonder if he hasn't already set up his own charitable foundation ready to recieve those 'net proceeds' if, as Rick says, there are any.
Also re: the supposed writing off of loans, the company value will be adjusted for debt, so it's meaningless."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
He's selling a debt free premier league club. Of course there will be proceeds.rick_chasey said:“Net proceeds” lad is selling it in a firesale. There won’t be any net proceeds.
He could give back all billions he stole of the Russian state to them if he’s suddenly come over all conscious, scheming little sh!t
I think it has been apparent over the years that he cares about the club and that he is only doing so to protect it from sanctions.
If you want to criticise his Russian activities, then fair enough, but selling Chelsea seems reasonable.
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Anyone else see the reports that Ukraine has said Russian POWs are free to go IF their mothers come to pick them up.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]1
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He should be in prison.TheBigBean said:
He's selling a debt free premier league club. Of course there will be proceeds.rick_chasey said:“Net proceeds” lad is selling it in a firesale. There won’t be any net proceeds.
He could give back all billions he stole of the Russian state to them if he’s suddenly come over all conscious, scheming little sh!t
I think it has been apparent over the years that he cares about the club and that he is only doing so to protect it from sanctions.
If you want to criticise his Russian activities, then fair enough, but selling Chelsea seems reasonable.
Only bought the thing to make it harder for Putin (or some other gangster he may have crossed) to have someone put an axe in his head.
He’s a crook.0 -
So how do we interpret the “net proceeds” piece? If he sells for say £2bn, would it be £1.86bn (sell price minus original buy price of £140m?)
Or is it £2bn minus £1.5bn loan minus £140m buy price = £360m ?
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Genius move, like it.DeVlaeminck said:Anyone else see the reports that Ukraine has said Russian POWs are free to go IF their mothers come to pick them up.
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They’ve starting hitting the convoy. This could jam the Russians up for even longer.2
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Some great analysis on this evenings Context on the BBC News channel.0
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if anyone is interested about the convoy, word on the street is that the front vehicles have run out of go go juice, the go go juice is in the rear vehicles and they can't get the juice up the line because its in vehicles with tyres and the Ukranians keep on taking out the tyres......
They're also offered stranded tank crews the chance to leave their tanks and walk home or stay where they are and be fired at with the nearest NLAW.
there are currently a lot of tank crews walking around..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Heard the other day that Russia's defence budget is less than the UK's. I didn't that could be right so just did some checking and Wiki (yes, I know but has references) shows Russia as the 4th biggest spender and the UK as 5th but only $1.5 billion difference. Considering the number of troops Russia has and the area they have to cover that seems incredible.seanoconn said:I had assumed that Russia were good at this war business but apart from massive numbers they seem to lack training and organisation.
Makes me wonder where our spending is going, you would assume quality over quantity but I suspect the MFs (and pretty much anyone in the British military I've heard) would disagree!0 -
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One of the biggest differences is probably pay.Pross said:
Makes me wonder where our spending is going, you would assume quality over quantity but I suspect the MFs (and pretty much anyone in the British military I've heard) would disagree!
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They're also offered stranded tank crews the chance to leave their tanks and walk home or stay where they are and be fired at with the nearest NLAW.
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Petrol is quite expensive as well, apparently.imposter2.0 said:A
One of the biggest differences is probably pay.Pross said:
Makes me wonder where our spending is going, you would assume quality over quantity but I suspect the MFs (and pretty much anyone in the British military I've heard) would disagree!0 -
Pretty sure there will be given the asset for sale. He may not get as much as if he had plenty of time, but Chelsea is a highly desirable target as football clubs go.rick_chasey said:“Net proceeds” lad is selling it in a firesale. There won’t be any net proceeds.
He could give back all billions he stole of the Russian state to them if he’s suddenly come over all conscious, scheming little sh!t"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Not really relevant to what I said.rick_chasey said:
He should be in prison.TheBigBean said:
He's selling a debt free premier league club. Of course there will be proceeds.rick_chasey said:“Net proceeds” lad is selling it in a firesale. There won’t be any net proceeds.
He could give back all billions he stole of the Russian state to them if he’s suddenly come over all conscious, scheming little sh!t
I think it has been apparent over the years that he cares about the club and that he is only doing so to protect it from sanctions.
If you want to criticise his Russian activities, then fair enough, but selling Chelsea seems reasonable.
Only bought the thing to make it harder for Putin (or some other gangster he may have crossed) to have someone put an axe in his head.
He’s a crook.0 -
Should have invested.in those NiTinol airless tyres.MattFalle said:if anyone is interested about the convoy, word on the street is that the front vehicles have run out of go go juice, the go go juice is in the rear vehicles and they can't get the juice up the line because its in vehicles with tyres and the Ukranians keep on taking out the tyres......
They're also offered stranded tank crews the chance to leave their tanks and walk home or stay where they are and be fired at with the nearest NLAW.
there are currently a lot of tank crews walking around.0 -
And the weather is going to be rotten for the next few days. No air cover (like they’d even turn up) and boggy ground. This could be carnage.MattFalle said:if anyone is interested about the convoy, word on the street is that the front vehicles have run out of go go juice, the go go juice is in the rear vehicles and they can't get the juice up the line because its in vehicles with tyres and the Ukranians keep on taking out the tyres......
They're also offered stranded tank crews the chance to leave their tanks and walk home or stay where they are and be fired at with the nearest NLAW.
there are currently a lot of tank crews walking around.
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Very thoughtful of them.MattFalle said:if anyone is interested about the convoy, word on the street is that the front vehicles have run out of go go juice, the go go juice is in the rear vehicles and they can't get the juice up the line because its in vehicles with tyres and the Ukranians keep on taking out the tyres......
They're also offered stranded tank crews the chance to leave their tanks and walk home or stay where they are and be fired at with the nearest NLAW.
there are currently a lot of tank crews walking around.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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IBut they have around 1 million full time service personnel and 2 million reservists whereas we only have around 150,000. If we assume average pay in the UK of £30k that would equate to £4.5k for the full time element in Russia.imposter2.0 said:A
One of the biggest differences is probably pay.Pross said:
Makes me wonder where our spending is going, you would assume quality over quantity but I suspect the MFs (and pretty much anyone in the British military I've heard) would disagree!0 -
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And the weather is going to be rotten for the next few days. No air cover (like they’d even turn up) and boggy ground. This could be carnage.MattFalle said:if anyone is interested about the convoy, word on the street is that the front vehicles have run out of go go juice, the go go juice is in the rear vehicles and they can't get the juice up the line because its in vehicles with tyres and the Ukranians keep on taking out the tyres......
They're also offered stranded tank crews the chance to leave their tanks and walk home or stay where they are and be fired at with the nearest NLAW.
there are currently a lot of tank crews walking around.
I'd be interested to know how Ukraine are going to respond: would it be better to take out as many easy targets as possible, or just let them get really pïssed off and wanting to go home, if they aren't really a threat?0
