How good is Chris Froome?

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  • EnacheV
    EnacheV Posts: 235
    His opponents fans praying that the weather can stop Froome should tell you all you need to know about how good he is :D
  • milemuncher1
    milemuncher1 Posts: 1,472
    EnacheV wrote:
    His opponents fans praying that the weather can stop Froome should tell you all you need to know about how good he is :D

    Quite
  • slim_boy_fat
    slim_boy_fat Posts: 1,810
    silvergrenade wrote:
    andyp wrote:
    silvergrenade wrote:

    From what I've read, Vincenzo is hitting all time PBs in terms of power outputs. Its just everybody else is so strong that they can't challenge.

    Nibali is always hitting PBs in the weeks before a GT. It's like it's Slongo's catchphrase.
    Would have agreed with you had it been only Big Mouth Nibz...
    Louis and Rui have said that too.
    This was backed up by Froome himself last night on TCP. Moore asked him why he wasn't able to drop people on the climbs as often as he used to. He said that the general level had just gotten better. He used yesterdays final climb as an example, saying that 20 guys yesterday were able to output the power he did a couple of years ago on the same climb. So now you have to be able to output the power of the best from a couple of years ago just to stay with the bunch on the climbs.
  • Richmond Racer 2
    Richmond Racer 2 Posts: 4,698
    its remarkable

    (and that's not said in a snarky way)
  • milemuncher1
    milemuncher1 Posts: 1,472
    Richmond Racer 2 wrote:
    its remarkable

    (and that's not said in a snarky way)

    It is that, also slightly suspicious, given the history of this particular sport. There's no smoke without fire.
  • CuthbertC
    CuthbertC Posts: 172
    Slim Boy Fat wrote:
    silvergrenade wrote:
    andyp wrote:
    silvergrenade wrote:

    From what I've read, Vincenzo is hitting all time PBs in terms of power outputs. Its just everybody else is so strong that they can't challenge.

    Nibali is always hitting PBs in the weeks before a GT. It's like it's Slongo's catchphrase.
    Would have agreed with you had it been only Big Mouth Nibz...
    Louis and Rui have said that too.
    This was backed up by Froome himself last night on TCP. Moore asked him why he wasn't able to drop people on the climbs as often as he used to. He said that the general level had just gotten better. He used yesterdays final climb as an example, saying that 20 guys yesterday were able to output the power he did a couple of years ago on the same climb. So now you have to be able to output the power of the best from a couple of years ago just to stay with the bunch on the climbs.

    There was a headwind section on Cumbre del Sol:
    I heard bit of information from the car, about the headwind in the final, so I didn’t want to go too early and experience 2015 again.
  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    Do all winners of sporting events look suspicious?

    If athletes in all disciplines stopped performing for fear of suspicion then anyone who doesn't give a damn about opinion will win!

    (tongue in cheek comment, I don't believe it).
  • milemuncher1
    milemuncher1 Posts: 1,472
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    Do all winners of sporting events look suspicious?

    If athletes in all disciplines stopped performing for fear of suspicion then anyone who doesn't give a damn about opinion will win!

    (tongue in cheek comment, I don't believe it).

    Not all sporting events have the same historic problems.
  • lostboysaint
    lostboysaint Posts: 4,250
    Milemuncher1 wrote:
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    Do all winners of sporting events look suspicious?

    If athletes in all disciplines stopped performing for fear of suspicion then anyone who doesn't give a damn about opinion will win!

    (tongue in cheek comment, I don't believe it).

    Not all sporting events have the same historic problems.

    Oh yes they do. They just haven't admitted it yet or been pro-active in trying to deal with it.
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  • milemuncher1
    milemuncher1 Posts: 1,472
    lostboysaint wrote:
    Milemuncher1 wrote:
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    Do all winners of sporting events look suspicious?

    If athletes in all disciplines stopped performing for fear of suspicion then anyone who doesn't give a damn about opinion will win!

    (tongue in cheek comment, I don't believe it).

    Not all sporting events have the same historic problems.

    Oh yes they do. They just haven't admitted it yet or been pro-active in trying to deal with it.

    Probably about right.
  • hypster
    hypster Posts: 1,229
    How good is Chris Froome? Pretty good I'd say!
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    He's alright.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • lincolndave
    lincolndave Posts: 9,441
    hypster wrote:
    How good is Chris Froome? Pretty good I'd say!

    And I have agree with you 100%
  • frankcannondale
    frankcannondale Posts: 69
    It's great to hear French & Spanish riders stating CF deserves respect. Of course he does !

    Lets not forget his team support.
  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,788
    Lookyhere wrote:

    The format (at every mountain stage) is the same, Sky on the front, use up their riders, then froome goes, my partner a big froome fan, no longer watched either the TDF or Vuelta, she knows the result already.
    So did she know that he was going to fail to win every Vuelta since 2011? theres no way the Vuelta was a foregone conclusion.
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  • Bo Duke
    Bo Duke Posts: 1,058
    Doesn't matter if you're at the front of the peloton or the back, your legs hurt like hell. Froome won because both he and his team were better than the other GT contenders and tems. Conceivably a GT contender could have sat on the rear of the Sky train but that defeats the object of bringing your own team but a top contender might do better pretending he was part of sky rather than being part of another team. I guess kinda like Quintana in the TdF.
    'Performance analysis and Froome not being clean was a media driven story. I haven’t heard one guy in the peloton say a negative thing about Froome, and I haven’t heard a single person in the peloton suggest Froome isn’t clean.' TSP
  • mrb123
    mrb123 Posts: 4,834
    inseine wrote:
    Lookyhere wrote:

    The format (at every mountain stage) is the same, Sky on the front, use up their riders, then froome goes, my partner a big froome fan, no longer watched either the TDF or Vuelta, she knows the result already.
    So did she know that he was going to fail to win every Vuelta since 2011? theres no way the Vuelta was a foregone conclusion.

    Thankfully Bake Off and Strictly are back on now.
  • tim000
    tim000 Posts: 718
    Lookyhere wrote:
    Boring racing,

    The format (at every mountain stage) is the same, Sky on the front, use up their riders, then froome goes, my partner a big froome fan, no longer watched either the TDF or Vuelta, she knows the result already.
    )
    the race I watched had sunweb on the front for a lot of the climb. maybe it was a different race :roll:
  • mrfpb
    mrfpb Posts: 4,569
    Sky are always on the front in the Vuelta because by the time the TV highlights start 20km from the finish they are the only team left intact in the peloton.
  • PhilipPirrip
    PhilipPirrip Posts: 616
    tim000 wrote:
    Lookyhere wrote:
    Boring racing,

    The format (at every mountain stage) is the same, Sky on the front, use up their riders, then froome goes, my partner a big froome fan, no longer watched either the TDF or Vuelta, she knows the result already.
    )
    the race I watched had sunweb on the front for a lot of the climb. maybe it was a different race :roll:
    I wouldn't worry, haters are gonna hate. Sky weren't always on the front on the second last ascent either and that final descent, knowing what happened to Froome at last year's Tour, was nail biting.

    That his Nibs slipped on that last descent added to the excitement but chapeau to the group for waiting for him and allowing the battle to take place on the final ascent.
  • silvergrenade
    silvergrenade Posts: 79
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    When you've spent 19 days in the red jersey, finding a seat on the bus can be quite a problem @chrisfroome #LV2017
    This...Ladies and Gents is Dominance!
    Stuff Toy Galore at the Froome residence this year.. :lol:
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    tim000 wrote:
    Lookyhere wrote:
    Boring racing,

    The format (at every mountain stage) is the same, Sky on the front, use up their riders, then froome goes, my partner a big froome fan, no longer watched either the TDF or Vuelta, she knows the result already.
    )
    the race I watched had sunweb on the front for a lot of the climb. maybe it was a different race :roll:

    Surely if that's what happened Froome would've won a stage in the TdF and taken more than one road stage in Vuelta?

    Head to head, on mountain stages in the Vuelta, Froome finished ahead of Nibali 6 times. Nibz ahead of Froome 4 times.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    ^^With all those bulls and several lions, his son will be able to recreate Mufasa's death in the Lion King.
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  • PhilipPirrip
    PhilipPirrip Posts: 616
    silvergrenade wrote:
    DJXNmQ2W4AE-JBa.jpg
    When you've spent 19 days in the red jersey, finding a seat on the bus can be quite a problem @chrisfroome #LV2017
    This...Ladies and Gents is Dominance!
    Stuff Toy Galore at the Froome residence this year.. :lol:
    Everybody loves a bit of Bully.

    Just need Jim Bowen to say to Nibali, "Look what you could've won"
  • milton50
    milton50 Posts: 3,856
    Be interesting to see hat has the greatest attraction for Froome now. To go for the Giro and complete the set or go for a 5th, and maybe even a 6th, Tour.

    Because recent history suggests that both can't be done in the same year.
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,444
    Really can't see him not going for a 5th Tour.
  • k1875
    k1875 Posts: 485
    Milton50 wrote:
    Be interesting to see hat has the greatest attraction for Froome now. To go for the Giro and complete the set or go for a 5th, and maybe even a 6th, Tour.

    Because recent history suggests that both can't be done in the same year.

    Has to try and get the 5th under his belt, be crazy not to. Beyond that, may depend on how others develop. Tom Dum(p) will surely look to the tour next year, if he beats Froome or runs him too close for comfort perhaps that will be enough to push Froome towards the Giro.
  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,788
    Froome has to go for a 5th Tour. I guess he'll decide depending on the route but he doesn't have any real weakness in that department
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  • Lookyhere
    Lookyhere Posts: 987
    inseine wrote:
    Lookyhere wrote:

    The format (at every mountain stage) is the same, Sky on the front, use up their riders, then froome goes, my partner a big froome fan, no longer watched either the TDF or Vuelta, she knows the result already.
    So did she know that he was going to fail to win every Vuelta since 2011? theres no way the Vuelta was a foregone conclusion.

    With the strength of his team plus his own abilities (subject to to illness or accident) yes it was or was she wrong?

    Once Sky/Froome made their intentions public, a froome win was always on the cards.

    Individual stages can and sometimes were very exciting but for GC no.
  • tim000
    tim000 Posts: 718
    oh , so he wasn`t trying to win before .

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