TDF 2016 Stage 19 *SPOILERS*

Pross

Haven't read the thread, presumably no-one was moaning about boredom?

Excellent ride by Bardet, sort of sums up what I've said all along that riders have one big attack in them so they have to avoid pointless attacks on every stage and make the big one count.

Gutted for Yates though, looked like he was moving into 2nd at one point. I hope he can gain the seconds back tomorrow but can't see Valverde letting him get away on the descent.

hypster

RonB wrote:

Bad news on that front. Yates has a 10s penalty & a fine after today's stage, due to handsling

So Yates gets a 10 second penalty for a handsling (or was it Luke Rowe's push?) but Quintana gets nothing for holding on to a motorbikeon the Ventoux? :roll:

Brilliant comeback from Froome but he has done nothing to enhance his reputation for falling off and giving his supporters heart failure. I was a nervous wreck today watching that descent because I feared the worst and it could so easily have turned out just like poor old Tom Dumoulin. Bringing down Nibali was a bonus though.

I can't bear to watch tomorrow's stage - I'll just record it and watch if it turns out OK.

inseine

ugo.santalucia wrote:

I wish David Millar shut up... a bike is a bike... Thomas bike is as good as any

Only just catching up on this, but thats the least knowledgable thing I've ever read about cycling .

Pross

hypster wrote:

RonB wrote:

Bad news on that front. Yates has a 10s penalty & a fine after today's stage, due to handsling

So Yates gets a 10 second penalty for a handsling (or was it Luke Rowe's push?) but Quintana gets nothing for holding on to a motorbikeon the Ventoux? :roll:

Brilliant comeback from Froome but he has done nothing to enhance his reputation for falling off and giving his supporters heart failure. I was a nervous wreck today watching that descent because I feared the worst and it could so easily have turned out just like poor old Tom Dumoulin. Bringing down Nibali was a bonus though.

I can't bear to watch tomorrow's stage - I'll just record it and watch if it turns out OK.

Nibali clearly took himself down doing exactly the same as Froome - touching a white line while trying to corner in the wet at too high a speed.

hypster

Pross wrote:

hypster wrote:

RonB wrote:

Bad news on that front. Yates has a 10s penalty & a fine after today's stage, due to handsling

So Yates gets a 10 second penalty for a handsling (or was it Luke Rowe's push?) but Quintana gets nothing for holding on to a motorbikeon the Ventoux? :roll:

Brilliant comeback from Froome but he has done nothing to enhance his reputation for falling off and giving his supporters heart failure. I was a nervous wreck today watching that descent because I feared the worst and it could so easily have turned out just like poor old Tom Dumoulin. Bringing down Nibali was a bonus though.

I can't bear to watch tomorrow's stage - I'll just record it and watch if it turns out OK.

Nibali clearly took himself down doing exactly the same as Froome - touching a white line while trying to corner in the wet at too high a speed.

Nibali didn't blame Froome at all and there was obviously no contact but when someone goes down in front of you it's bound to cause a loss of concentration and some sort of reaction. Would Nibali have been on that exact line if Froome hadn't gone down? A moot point I suppose.

adr82

hypster wrote:

Brilliant comeback from Froome but he has done nothing to enhance his reputation for falling off and giving his supporters heart failure. I was a nervous wreck today watching that descent because I feared the worst and it could so easily have turned out just like poor old Tom Dumoulin. Bringing down Nibali was a bonus though.

Why is it Froome has this "reputation for falling off" and not someone like Contador, who actually deserves it?

RichN95.

Just had a look at the current betting odds. Bardet is second favourite at 40/1. Worth a couple of quid I'd say.

iainf72

Did you all enjoy watching Poels riding on feel?

Looked the same as riding on power, eh?

blazing_saddles

RonB wrote:

Bad news on that front. Yates has a 10s penalty & a fine after today's stage, due to handsling

Contador at the Dauphine anyone? That one got caught on camera, too.
I guess it's a prime example of what those who felt Mollema was hard done by on Ventoux were complaining about.
Consistency.

ugo.santalucia

DeVlaeminck wrote:

If it is wet it'll be interesting to see how Froome rides that last descent - assuming all the GC men go over the top together will he let others take the risks for the stage win or for GC places and let a couple of minutes of his lead go to ensure he doesn't crash ? They got lucky with the weather really as there was rain in the area all day and some of the earlier descents looked interesting.

I really enjoyed today anyway - a decent stage at last with a real battle for GC placings. Glad Froome hasn't lost the race due to misfortune but also glad it did mean they weren't jumping on every rider that went off the front.

yep

yourpaceormine

Just caught up with today's stage on the highlights show. Someone really needs to tell Aru that that is not a good look.He made Froome, one of the most ungainly looking riders of a bike, look stylish.

EnacheV

Froome lost 8 minutes with a broken foot in Vuelta

So with this light fall i expect to have no problem getting his 3rd TdF with his current 4 minutes+ ecart

inseine

Interestingly Thomas is 3cm shorter than Froome (183 b 186) but his saddle height is 2mm higher. Not do much as a handicap to Froome as I'd have imagined.

rick_chasey

Oh Mollema.

You wally.

Bardet shows how it's down. Decent ride.

Hard to tell if Froome is on a different bike; he rides like he's on someone else's all the time.

rick_chasey

Also, some proper racing downhill! People go down, no one waits!

About time.

RichN95.

inseine wrote:

Interestingly Thomas is 3cm shorter than Froome (183 b 186) but his saddle height is 2mm higher. Not do much as a handicap to Froome as I'd have imagined.

It's been a few years since he's ridden with regular chainrings though. He looked a bit lost on the really steep bit right at the end.

rick_chasey

So we're agreed Froome rolled the die downhill and this time he didn't roll a six?

DeVlaeminck

RichN95 wrote:

inseine wrote:

Interestingly Thomas is 3cm shorter than Froome (183 b 186) but his saddle height is 2mm higher. Not do much as a handicap to Froome as I'd have imagined.

It's been a few years since he's ridden with regular chainrings though. He looked a bit lost on the really steep bit right at the end.

Yes he didn't look quite right did he - hard to say if it was different bike, different chainset, injury or what but his pedalling while still high cadence didn't look fluent - I know he's never the most stylish and maybe it was just looking for something knowing he was on a different bike but it looked wrong somehow.

DeVlaeminck

Oh and I know someone said 1mm is a significant difference but I'd have thought wearing a thicker sock or a pair of shorts with a thicker pad could account for at least that much.

thegibdog

Rick Chasey wrote:

So we're agreed Froome rolled the die downhill and this time he didn't roll a six?

A bit harsh but he definitely seemed to be taking an unnecessary risk.

It's a shame for Yates to drop off the podium, hard to say how much having to chase back on after his mechanical cost him. Ridiculous that he's ended up with a time penalty though, when Quintana gets away with holding on to a motorbike and there seems to be no problem with Rodriguez getting a >5 second push uphill during a planned bike change in the TT.

inseine

Rick Chasey wrote:

So we're agreed Froome rolled the die downhill and this time he didn't roll a six?

This is what Voigt was saying and he certainly made an error trying to cross a wet white line. But it's not clear if he was attacking or just trying to follow Bardet. He didn't necessarily know he had a gap on the peloton.

inseine

DeVlaeminck wrote:

Oh and I know someone said 1mm is a significant difference but I'd have thought wearing a thicker sock or a pair of shorts with a thicker pad could account for at least that much.

True (there's 2mm difference apparently) but a pro wouldn't wear thicker shorts etc without adjusting the saddle.

Garry H

inseine wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

So we're agreed Froome rolled the die downhill and this time he didn't roll a six?

This is what Voigt was saying and he certainly made an error trying to cross a wet white line. But it's not clear if he was attacking or just trying to follow Bardet. He didn't necessarily know he had a gap on the peloton.

Not so sure that it was as much of a schoolboy error as voigt made out. He was just taking the natural 'racing line' on that corner. Nibali took exactly the same line.

kleinstroker

DeVlaeminck wrote:

kleinstroker wrote:

Can't say Quintana deserves to be anywhere near the podium, so hope Yates finds his legs tomorrow and kicks his ars*!

Why because he held on to a bike on ventoux ? It was a bit cheeky I suppose but I'd like to see how long he had hold of it for.

Because he has turned into a wheelsucker and barely seems to have made any effort beyond that. Valverde is the better GC rider in Movistar and Quintana should just go for stages.

inseine

kleinstroker wrote:

DeVlaeminck wrote:

kleinstroker wrote:

Can't say Quintana deserves to be anywhere near the podium, so hope Yates finds his legs tomorrow and kicks his ars*!

Why because he held on to a bike on ventoux ? It was a bit cheeky I suppose but I'd like to see how long he had hold of it for.

Because he has turned into a wheelsucker and barely seems to have made any effort beyond that. Valverde is the better GC rider in Movistar and Quintana should just go for stages.

Valverde is incredibly consisant but you'd never bet on him getting the overall. Quintana is 10 years younger but is obviously having a poor Tour. They should have realized earlier in the race but Valverde would never have challenged for the overall.

TheBigBean

dav1d1

http://road.cc/content/news/198494-vinc ... gal-action

jscl

Dav1d1 wrote:

http://road.cc/content/news/198494-vincenzo-nibali-motor-doping-accusations-lead-astana-threatening-legal-action

Nibali's wheel spinning looks completely legit to me given the speed of the crash.

In addition, why would you waste your motor watts on a descent... but we all love suspicion, don't we!

adr82

Dav1d1 wrote:

http://road.cc/content/news/198494-vincenzo-nibali-motor-doping-accusations-lead-astana-threatening-legal-action

Hahaha, yes, because of course the ideal time to use your hidden motor would be on a wet descent!

The_Boy

It's remarkable, isn't it? I'm all for healthy cynicism, but that doesn't even stand up to the briefest analysis. Especially given how cautious he was on the final descent on the following stage.