stage 11 ** spoilers**(my privilege)
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Why on god's green earth should Froome not try to win? Bizarre.0
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Maybe they should have kept riding then, instead of all but sitting up for the last few hundred metres. Don't see how you can blame Froome for wanting to keep the gap as big as possible.DeadCalm wrote:
Looked to me like he was part of the conversation. Even if not, it eas blatantly obvious what the right thing to do was in those circumstances especially as he was only ever going to be made to look ridiculous in a sprint against Sagan.guy.spartacus wrote:0 -
Is 35 seconds really worth to get so excited about half way through TdF, though? It's Nairo Quintana.0
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mamil314 wrote:Is 35 seconds really worth to get so excited about half way through TdF, though? It's Nairo Quintana.
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Froome wasn't riding to keep the gap as big as possible. He was sitting in on the wheel, waiting to launch a sprint and was made to look silly when Sagan almost apologetically came past him without any effort at all. If he'd have sat on Bodnar's wheel he'd have been in exactly the same situation as he is tonight except he'd have made a new friend in the peloton. The best that can be said about what he did was that it was stupidly naive.0
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TakeTheHighRoad wrote:
There's bonus seconds though. Why should he give those up to gift someone else's team mate a win?Correlation is not causation.0 -
RichN95 wrote:Confirmed that tomorrow will finish at Chateau Reynard - 7km from the scheduled finish.
Bummer. I love the moonscape that is Ventoux.Correlation is not causation.0 -
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He’s correcting the name of the place.0
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Above The Cows wrote:RichN95 wrote:Confirmed that tomorrow will finish at Chateau Reynard - 7km from the scheduled finish.
Bummer. I love the moonscape that is Ventoux.
Yup - I took this last week
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Above The Cows wrote:RichN95 wrote:Confirmed that tomorrow will finish at Chateau Reynard - 7km from the scheduled finish.
Bummer. I love the moonscape that is Ventoux.
I do too. I feel a little bit cheated now but hopefully the racing will kick off a bit further down. Would have been exciting watching the riders battle against 100 kph winds!0 -
DeadCalm wrote:Froome wasn't riding to keep the gap as big as possible. He was sitting in on the wheel, waiting to launch a sprint and was made to look silly when Sagan almost apologetically came past him without any effort at all. If he'd have sat on Bodnar's wheel he'd have been in exactly the same situation as he is tonight except he'd have made a new friend in the peloton. The best that can be said about what he did was that it was stupidly naive.
Are you forgetting that there are bonus seconds? So if he'd say on Bodnar's wheel he wouldn't have been in exactly the same situation.Correlation is not causation.0 -
guy.spartacus wrote:mamil314 wrote:Is 35 seconds really worth to get so excited about half way through TdF, though? It's Nairo Quintana.
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Point taken. It's crazy, how so much effort and work can be ruined by a puncture or a dodgy meal.0 -
hypster wrote:Above The Cows wrote:RichN95 wrote:Confirmed that tomorrow will finish at Chateau Reynard - 7km from the scheduled finish.
Bummer. I love the moonscape that is Ventoux.
I do too. I feel a little bit cheated now but hopefully the racing will kick off a bit further down. Would have been exciting watching the riders battle against 100 kph winds!
Do you want blood?0 -
philwint wrote:Above The Cows wrote:RichN95 wrote:Confirmed that tomorrow will finish at Chateau Reynard - 7km from the scheduled finish.
Bummer. I love the moonscape that is Ventoux.
Yup - I took this last week
That is an awesome photo.Correlation is not causation.0 -
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OnYourRight wrote:He’s correcting the name of the place.
Didn't realise they were running a quiz.Correlation is not causation.0 -
DeadCalm wrote:Froome wasn't riding to keep the gap as big as possible. He was sitting in on the wheel, waiting to launch a sprint and was made to look silly when Sagan almost apologetically came past him without any effort at all. If he'd have sat on Bodnar's wheel he'd have been in exactly the same situation as he is tonight except he'd have made a new friend in the peloton. The best that can be said about what he did was that it was stupidly naive.
All 4 of them worked crazy hard. The suggestion that Froome should give up a potential win + more bonus seconds simply because Sagan wanted to gift his teammate a win is ridiculous. Sagan + Bodnar weren't riding for Froome's benefit.0 -
I don’t think Froome sprinted with a great hope of winning. He just wasn’t prepared to hang around for Sagan to engineer a win for Bodnar. He had every right to sprint there, as I’m sure Bodnar realises.0
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If he'd stayed on Bodnar's wheel with Sagan soft-pedalling to allow his team mate the win he could easily have got second. And the difference between second and third is 2 seconds. Do you really think those 2 potential seconds lost is worth it? Bear in mind that it''s not just Sagan and Bodnar. The whole peloton will have seen that. How soon before he is in a situation where he's away with someone who he wants to work with him who says "hang on, I saw what you did with Bodnar. I'm not going to cooperate with you"?Above The Cows wrote:DeadCalm wrote:Froome wasn't riding to keep the gap as big as possible. He was sitting in on the wheel, waiting to launch a sprint and was made to look silly when Sagan almost apologetically came past him without any effort at all. If he'd have sat on Bodnar's wheel he'd have been in exactly the same situation as he is tonight except he'd have made a new friend in the peloton. The best that can be said about what he did was that it was stupidly naive.
Are you forgetting that there are bonus seconds? So if he'd say on Bodnar's wheel he wouldn't have been in exactly the same situation.0 -
There's nothing exciting about riders having to get off and walk which is what happens in those sorts of winds (There's videos on YouTube)hypster wrote:Above The Cows wrote:RichN95 wrote:Confirmed that tomorrow will finish at Chateau Reynard - 7km from the scheduled finish.
Bummer. I love the moonscape that is Ventoux.
I do too. I feel a little bit cheated now but hopefully the racing will kick off a bit further down. Would have been exciting watching the riders battle against 100 kph winds!Twitter: @RichN950 -
Clearly. That'd be why he only sprinted when the other pair were pottering along in no great hurry and crossed the line looking over his shoulder :roll: We get it, you don't like Froome.DeadCalm wrote:Froome wasn't riding to keep the gap as big as possible. He was sitting in on the wheel, waiting to launch a sprint and was made to look silly when Sagan almost apologetically came past him without any effort at all. If he'd have sat on Bodnar's wheel he'd have been in exactly the same situation as he is tonight except he'd have made a new friend in the peloton. The best that can be said about what he did was that it was stupidly naive.0 -
Sensible move by Froomey... tomorrow's stage confirmed as shortened.Follow me on Twitter - http://twitter.com/scalesjason - All posts are strictly my personal view.0
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Well I suppose they could have made an agreement that they'd all continue to ride flat out if Bodnar could have the win and Froome second - that might have got Froome another 5-6 seconds - but I'd rather see riders trying to win the stage than hand it out as a present.
Great stuff by Froome but Sagan is amazing - what a rider.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
Correlation is not causation.0 -
Above The Cows wrote:philwint wrote:Above The Cows wrote:RichN95 wrote:Confirmed that tomorrow will finish at Chateau Reynard - 7km from the scheduled finish.
Bummer. I love the moonscape that is Ventoux.
Yup - I took this last week
That is an awesome photo.
Thanks - I won't spam a race thread, but there are more here http://www.philwinterbourne.co.uk/france/#/view/ID17129800
