stage 11 ** spoilers**(my privilege)

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  • pottssteve
    pottssteve Posts: 4,069
    Alex Howes (Cannonade) crashes by himself. Meanwhile Vichot and Howard are 3 minutes up the road ahead. Sky leading the peloton.
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  • milton50
    milton50 Posts: 3,856
    Odds on Geraint crashing at some point?
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    That's quite a fire....
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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    ...and it looks quite close to the course.....
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  • jscl
    jscl Posts: 1,015
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    That's quite a fire....
    Kittel's motor burning out I think.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    If there is an attempt to create echelons it won't happen until after the cat 4 climbs. At the 90km to go mark at the very earliest.
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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    RichN95 wrote:
    If there is an attempt to create echelons it won't happen until after the cat 4 climbs. At the 90km to go mark at the very earliest.

    I reckon it could be as late as the final 25kms.

    The latest weather for tomorrow:-

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    Now times have changed, Chalet Reynard almost certainly.
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  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,312
    Strong wind to favour the shorter rider... hence Quintana is the favourite
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    Strong wind to favour the shorter rider... hence Quintana is the favourite
    Yeah, that's why all those windy Belgian classics are won by short people. :roll:
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  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,312
    RichN95 wrote:
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    Strong wind to favour the shorter rider... hence Quintana is the favourite
    Yeah, that's why all those windy Belgian classics are won by short people. :roll:

    That's different... on the flat is pure power, the bigger riders are more powerful... while uphill is power/weight... assuming Froome and Quintana have the same power/weight, then the smaller figure gives Quintana an advantage
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    Strong wind to favour the shorter rider... hence Quintana is the favourite
    Yeah, that's why all those windy Belgian classics are won by short people. :roll:

    That's different... on the flat is pure power, the bigger riders are more powerful... while uphill is power/weight... assuming Froome and Quintana have the same power/weight, then the smaller figure gives Quintana an advantage
    The greater the wind the greater the proportion of the resisting force it causes - and as such the less the proportion gravity causes. Hence, it favours the rider with greater raw power rather the greater power/weight.
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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    ECHALON ALERT!
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  • pottssteve
    pottssteve Posts: 4,069
    edited July 2016
    Peloton in 3 lumps now - Tinkoff putting the hurt on.
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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    The peloton is now in 3 pieces.
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  • onyourright
    onyourright Posts: 509
    I might concede the wind affects the racing less in the mountains, but to the extent that it does, surely it disproportionately hinders small riders for the same reason it does on the flat?

    On the flat, it’s not just about power. It’s about power versus drag. Bigger riders have slightly more drag but a lot more power, hence their strength against the wind.

    All that said, Quintana is not your average small rider. He has an incredibly low position when he needs to (remember his 150 km Route du Sud breakaway), and he’s also simply powerful. I think the GC battle on Mont Ventoux will be won by smart racing rather than stature.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,312
    RichN95 wrote:
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    Strong wind to favour the shorter rider... hence Quintana is the favourite
    Yeah, that's why all those windy Belgian classics are won by short people. :roll:

    That's different... on the flat is pure power, the bigger riders are more powerful... while uphill is power/weight... assuming Froome and Quintana have the same power/weight, then the smaller figure gives Quintana an advantage
    The greater the wind the greater the proportion of the resisting force it causes - and as such the less the proportion gravity causes. Hence, it favours the rider with greater raw power rather the greater power/weight.

    If we don't know how the two quantities compare, it's impossible to pick one, I say it's Quintana day...

    Do we know wind direction Vs climb direction?
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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    Kelderman the only GC guy with a major problem so far.
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  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,312
    In similar conditions (50Km/h wind) I climbed Tan Hill last year (9 Km at 2% average) going up at 6-7 Km/h... interesting to see how fast theyll go up Ventoux if it's head wind... some might go backwards!
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  • pottssteve
    pottssteve Posts: 4,069
    Bling Matthews caught at the back of the second peloton.
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  • jscl
    jscl Posts: 1,015
    Pinot might be a new favourite for tomorrow.
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  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,312
    JSCL wrote:
    Pinot might be a new favourite for tomorrow.

    It's Bastille day after all...
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  • jscl
    jscl Posts: 1,015
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    JSCL wrote:
    Pinot might be a new favourite for tomorrow.

    It's Bastille day after all...
    He can take it a bit easier now he's caught behind the split too.

    Anyway, I'll stick to todays stage for now... EQS to mess up their lead-in and Kittel has bad positioning. Someone else wins.
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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    Boom!
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  • pottssteve
    pottssteve Posts: 4,069
    ECHELONS!!!!!!
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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    Proper echalons.....lots of them
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  • onyourright
    onyourright Posts: 509
    Beautiful.
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    ECHALON ALERT!

    That's not how you do it!

    ECHELONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Correlation is not causation.
  • adr82
    adr82 Posts: 4,002
    Above The Cows wrote:
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    ECHALON ALERT!

    That's not how you do it!

    ECHELONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    *nods approvingly*
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    Looks frantic out there. All over the place!
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    Above The Cows wrote:
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    ECHALON ALERT!

    That's not how you do it!

    ECHELONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Correlation is not causation.

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