Froome's Data
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The clinic are clutching at straws, for anything, to justify their own thoughts.
What they don't seem to be able to rationalise is the fact that if he was so good back then why he wasn't Sky's leader.
Says it all really.
I love the latest excuse.
He was already a doper in 2007, so he knew when he was being tested not to try hard.
Taking steps to combat a future Clinic back in 2007 is mucho impressive.
Stephen Hawking probably on the payroll.
Now all they have to do is come come up with a new theory for the "transformation"..............."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Yeah. Must be tough losing one's anonymous username raison d'etre.
Absolute saddos. Nothing else going on in their lives. Virtual relationships and approbation from total strangers behind other pseudonyms, that they cant get in real life
Not even a BR-stylie Crimbo drinkies!0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19755125#p19755125]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:Yeah. Must be tough losing one's anonymous username raison d'etre.
Absolute saddos. Nothing else going on in their lives. Virtual relationships and approbation from total strangers behind other pseudonyms, that they cant get in real life
Not even a BR-stylie Crimbo drinkies!
As a wise man once saidI say they're just f*****g w*****s. I cannot be doing with people like that.
'It justifies their own bone-idleness because they can't ever imagine applying themselves to do anything in their lives.
'It's easy for them to sit under a pseudonym on Twitter and write that sort of s**t, rather than get off their arses in their own lives and apply themselves and work hard at something and achieve something.
'And that's ultimately it. C***s."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19755125#p19755125]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:
Absolute saddos. Nothing else going on in their lives. Virtual relationships and approbation from total strangers behind other pseudonyms, that they cant get in real life
Not even a BR-stylie Crimbo drinkies!
I hope you're not suggesting that the BR Christmas drinks are attended by absolute saddos with nothing else going on in their lives. That would be harsh.0 -
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“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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My missus takes exactly that attitude.
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My missus takes exactly that attitude.
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I've met internet friends off another forum before, the amount of ribbing I got for that was unfair I thought.
My misses goes to a book club, I mean what's the difference...0 -
Even my imaginary wife thinks I'm a saddo.0
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Even my imaginary wife thinks I'm a saddo.
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My missus takes exactly that attitude.
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I've met internet friends off another forum before, the amount of ribbing I got for that was unfair I thought.
My misses goes to a book club, I mean what's the difference...
Good on you for believing her. Who says true love is dead?It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0 -
Another thing that struck me with the test results is the reminder and confirmation of Froome's comparatively low max heart rate (not that they seemingly tested that here).
His heart stroke volume might be something they want to test: for it to service an athlete operating at that level with relatively so few beats seems amazing.0 -
There's a lot more data on GSK website (no link handy, sorry). That has a graph of his heart rate and lactate uptake at various powers.Another thing that struck me with the test results is the reminder and confirmation of Froome's comparatively low max heart rate (not that they seemingly tested that here).
His heart stroke volume might be something they want to test: for it to service an athlete operating at that level with relatively so few beats seems amazing.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Swart's comments in the podcast about how he couldn't find any published papers with an elite cyclists VO2Max in it. Shows everything is basically guess work and no one knows what the real limits of performance are.
Also, first choice of journo was David Epstein. That would've been fantastic - And I thought Rich Moore did a brilliant job, fantastic writing.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
Hats off to Swart, he has far more patience at answering troll questions on Twatter today, than I would have
For a slightly more irascible sports scientist respondant, see @SamueleMarcora
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Turns out Mrs Froome forged the 2007 document, and for some reason chose to put Dr Zorzoli's name on it just to rub it in the noses of the truth-seekers. At least that's what I just read.0
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Turns out Mrs Froome forged the 2007 document, and for some reason chose to put Dr Zorzoli's name on it just to rub it in the noses of the truth-seekers. At least that's what I just read.
Cor, that was a good few years before she arranged for the Saffa doping lab technician to be bumped off to delay the whole process for Froome's pal Impey's pozzie to come to light*
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I gather Michelle Cound also persuaded Cameron to have the Airstrikes vote to deflect from the dawg's test results.0
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Even my imaginary wife thinks I'm a saddo.
You lucky b'stard.
My imaginary wife left me for my imaginary friend.When a true genius appears in this world, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift0 -
Also, first choice of journo was David Epstein. That would've been fantastic - And I thought Rich Moore did a brilliant job, fantastic writing.
I heard Teddy Cutler was the first choice.0 -
Would it not be too much to just ask that all pro cyclists are required to be tested this way annually - I mean they are the most elite athletes in their field and it seems odd that this just isn't a standard thing?0
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I don't think it would tell you much. It might flag up suspicions, but you can just watch the races for that. Athletes don't adhere to a single template, particularly for outliers. (Have a read of David Epstein's The Sports Gene to find out how diverse they are)Would it not be too much to just ask that all pro cyclists are required to be tested this way annually - I mean they are the most elite athletes in their field and it seems odd that this just isn't a standard thing?Twitter: @RichN950 -
Also, first choice of journo was David Epstein. That would've been fantastic - And I thought Rich Moore did a brilliant job, fantastic writing.
I heard Teddy Cutler was the first choice.
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I don't think it would tell you much. It might flag up suspicions, but you can just watch the races for that. Athletes don't adhere to a single template, particularly for outliers. (Have a read of David Epstein's The Sports Gene to find out how diverse they are)Would it not be too much to just ask that all pro cyclists are required to be tested this way annually - I mean they are the most elite athletes in their field and it seems odd that this just isn't a standard thing?
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Also, along comes a cyclist who, like Cav, absolutely needs the drive of competition to produce the goods. And the thing is that this is the case for many athletes. Which is why you cannot replicate (no matter what that fool Tucker claims) the conditions of a race in their entirety in a lab. In those cases, what does what would be fairly mediocre test results for a pro, tell you? And if that rider has won races, what cost the assumptions that would be made by all the fools around, that his mediocre numbers must mean he's a cheat?0 -
If the only factor relevant to winning the Tour was what power someone can do for 30 minutes on a test rig (as some today think) then there would be twenty year olds challenging for the Tour. But they aren't.
I can't remember the exact quote but Shane Sutton when told that Wiggins's 30 minute power numbers were excellent said "Great. So now all we need are 30 minute stages and he's a dead cert"Twitter: @RichN950 -
The amount of testing that "SKY" (and others) do, has not produced the Classic Winners.[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19755387#p19755387]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:Also, along comes a cyclist who, like Cav, absolutely needs the drive of competition to produce the goods.
It takes something else to make a winner.Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19755387#p19755387]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:
I don't think it would tell you much. It might flag up suspicions, but you can just watch the races for that. Athletes don't adhere to a single template, particularly for outliers. (Have a read of David Epstein's The Sports Gene to find out how diverse they are)Would it not be too much to just ask that all pro cyclists are required to be tested this way annually - I mean they are the most elite athletes in their field and it seems odd that this just isn't a standard thing?
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Also, along comes a cyclist who, like Cav, absolutely needs the drive of competition to produce the goods. And the thing is that this is the case for many athletes. Which is why you cannot replicate (no matter what that fool Tucker claims) the conditions of a race in their entirety in a lab. In those cases, what does what would be fairly mediocre test results for a pro, tell you? And if that rider has won races, what cost the assumptions that would be made by all the fools around, that his mediocre numbers must mean he's a cheat?
You couldn't say he does this in a lab but this in a race so must be clean or doping but you could have them to say 20min tests every quarter or something and if they have ridiculous gains then that could be used as a reason to further look at their blood bio passport and perhaps target them for extra testing0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19755387#p19755387]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:
I don't think it would tell you much. It might flag up suspicions, but you can just watch the races for that. Athletes don't adhere to a single template, particularly for outliers. (Have a read of David Epstein's The Sports Gene to find out how diverse they are)Would it not be too much to just ask that all pro cyclists are required to be tested this way annually - I mean they are the most elite athletes in their field and it seems odd that this just isn't a standard thing?
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Also, along comes a cyclist who, like Cav, absolutely needs the drive of competition to produce the goods. And the thing is that this is the case for many athletes. Which is why you cannot replicate (no matter what that fool Tucker claims) the conditions of a race in their entirety in a lab. In those cases, what does what would be fairly mediocre test results for a pro, tell you? And if that rider has won races, what cost the assumptions that would be made by all the fools around, that his mediocre numbers must mean he's a cheat?
You couldn't say he does this in a lab but this in a race so must be clean or doping but you could have them to say 20min tests every quarter or something and if they have ridiculous gains then that could be used as a reason to further look at their blood bio passport and perhaps target them for extra testing
Ah. Well, that's what some people have been lobbying for inc Gregoire Millet & Fred Grappe, for the UCI to incorporate power 'passports' along with the ABP, as an additional set of info, and to inform possible target testing. I think there was a news piece a while ago to the effect the UCI were asking ISSUL to look into the idea.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19755387#p19755387]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:
I don't think it would tell you much. It might flag up suspicions, but you can just watch the races for that. Athletes don't adhere to a single template, particularly for outliers. (Have a read of David Epstein's The Sports Gene to find out how diverse they are)Would it not be too much to just ask that all pro cyclists are required to be tested this way annually - I mean they are the most elite athletes in their field and it seems odd that this just isn't a standard thing?
This
Also, along comes a cyclist who, like Cav, absolutely needs the drive of competition to produce the goods. And the thing is that this is the case for many athletes. Which is why you cannot replicate (no matter what that fool Tucker claims) the conditions of a race in their entirety in a lab. In those cases, what does what would be fairly mediocre test results for a pro, tell you? And if that rider has won races, what cost the assumptions that would be made by all the fools around, that his mediocre numbers must mean he's a cheat?
You couldn't say he does this in a lab but this in a race so must be clean or doping but you could have them to say 20min tests every quarter or something and if they have ridiculous gains then that could be used as a reason to further look at their blood bio passport and perhaps target them for extra testing
You could get round it quite easily by simply not trying when juiced."Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago0 -
My missus takes exactly that attitude.
ditto
I've met internet friends off another forum before, the amount of ribbing I got for that was unfair I thought.
My misses goes to a book club, I mean what's the difference...
Good on you for believing her. Who says true love is dead?
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