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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    Pinno wrote:
    I'm a bit naive KG - what's a 'shut down'?

    No money approved for paying federal staff, so they have to stay at home. If they don't pass the funding bill tomorrow (or a temporary extension), all non-essential staff don't work until they do.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,317
    ..and the effect will be a heap of disgruntled federal employees? Does that favour the Democrats or at least, opposition to 'Trumpism'?
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    National parks stay shut, people can't get a new passport, small businesses can't get federal loans. So it has impacts on the public too, plus they always get paid eventually, but for not working on those days. And last time, it was 850,000 employees. Which is a lot of wasted money.
  • bompington
    bompington Posts: 7,674
    ... but the really astonishing thing is that shutdown is normally due to deadlock between the Republicans and Democrats.
    But the Republicans control all levels of US government, so what on earth is going on?
  • bendertherobot
    bendertherobot Posts: 11,684
    bompington wrote:
    ... but the really astonishing thing is that shutdown is normally due to deadlock between the Republicans and Democrats.
    But the Republicans control all levels of US government, so what on earth is going on?

    From recollection they vote along lines but there's a lot of bipartisanism. Or, put it another way, voting for one's own interests.
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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    bendertherobot wrote:
    bompington wrote:
    ... but the really astonishing thing is that shutdown is normally due to deadlock between the Republicans and Democrats.
    But the Republicans control all levels of US government, so what on earth is going on?

    From recollection they vote along lines but there's a lot of bipartisanism. Or, put it another way, voting for one's own interests.

    If I remember rightly it is about needing to pass a vote to increase debt ceiling levels. There are a number of Republicans who refuse to do this without some indication that there is a plan to bring the ever spiraling debt under control.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,349
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    bendertherobot wrote:
    bompington wrote:
    ... but the really astonishing thing is that shutdown is normally due to deadlock between the Republicans and Democrats.
    But the Republicans control all levels of US government, so what on earth is going on?

    From recollection they vote along lines but there's a lot of bipartisanism. Or, put it another way, voting for one's own interests.

    If I remember rightly it is about needing to pass a vote to increase debt ceiling levels. There are a number of Republicans who refuse to do this without some indication that there is a plan to bring the ever spiraling debt under control.
    Unless you're a Republican for whom massive tax cuts are worth adding $20tn to the national debt. https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/po ... -tax-cuts/
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    bendertherobot wrote:
    bompington wrote:
    ... but the really astonishing thing is that shutdown is normally due to deadlock between the Republicans and Democrats.
    But the Republicans control all levels of US government, so what on earth is going on?

    From recollection they vote along lines but there's a lot of bipartisanism. Or, put it another way, voting for one's own interests.

    If I remember rightly it is about needing to pass a vote to increase debt ceiling levels. There are a number of Republicans who refuse to do this without some indication that there is a plan to bring the ever spiraling debt under control.

    The vote can be filibustered in the senate - so even with all Republicans on board, they need at least 8 Dems to approve as well to bring it up to a 60-40 vote in favour. This means there needs to be some bipartisan approval.

    This means Republicans can't put funding the wall in it, or remove funding from healthcare in this bill. Also, if either side actually wants a shut down to prove that they aren't willing to blink, they can get one. But no one wants a shut down, so there almost certainly won't be one.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    briantrumpet wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    bendertherobot wrote:
    bompington wrote:
    ... but the really astonishing thing is that shutdown is normally due to deadlock between the Republicans and Democrats.
    But the Republicans control all levels of US government, so what on earth is going on?

    From recollection they vote along lines but there's a lot of bipartisanism. Or, put it another way, voting for one's own interests.

    If I remember rightly it is about needing to pass a vote to increase debt ceiling levels. There are a number of Republicans who refuse to do this without some indication that there is a plan to bring the ever spiraling debt under control.
    Unless you're a Republican for whom massive tax cuts are worth adding $20tn to the national debt. https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/po ... -tax-cuts/

    like repealing Obamcare some voted because it did not go far enough
  • bendertherobot
    bendertherobot Posts: 11,684
    Of course, we've been here before, when the Dems faced it. Indeed, we've been everywhere before, be that Golf tweets, bombing people, shutting down governments etc.

    What I think gets missed, and this is the case in the UK too, is that preventing the budget or Brexit, when you have a majority, tends to require some of your own to rebel. We rarely see that, it's all the fault of the other side, when the truth is sometimes that those on your side disagree with you too. Perhaps to their own ends, perhaps not.
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  • ayjaycee
    ayjaycee Posts: 1,277
    I'm not sure whether this has been posted before but it's certainly worth a read as a thorough review of The Donald's first 100 days from his perspective. https://apnews.com/c810d7de280a47e88848b0ac74690c83. There's quite a lot of it but it's worth persisting with.
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  • bendertherobot
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  • bendertherobot
    bendertherobot Posts: 11,684
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/vid ... sier-video

    And there's a snippet there.

    I'm not softening on Trump. But, I like to think, he might get wiser, be a better man coming out of this than going in. He might be starting to understand it. Though to think that this job may have been easier does demonstrate a lack of emotional intelligence.
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  • dinyull
    dinyull Posts: 2,979
    bendertherobot wrote:
    I'm not softening on Trump. But, I like to think, he might get wiser, be a better man coming out of this than going in.

    Would be difficult for him not to.

    Having said that, he'll be insufferable when his term is over, even if he does tone it down during his presidency.
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  • bendertherobot
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    Rather than causing a big disruption in N.Y.C., I will be working out of my home in Bedminster, N.J. this weekend. Also saves country money!

    That's on the back of planned protests against, well, that thing.

    What if the gave him an office building in say Washington? He could work from there.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    bendertherobot wrote:
    Rather than causing a big disruption in N.Y.C., I will be working out of my home in Bedminster, N.J. this weekend. Also saves country money!

    That's on the back of planned protests against, well, that thing.

    What if the gave him an office building in say Washington? He could work from there.

    Unfortunately, he doesn't own the white house, so spending time there wouldn't up the value of his properties.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    Great success getting a bill through the house where they have a majority. Still might fail to get it through the senate. And apparently isn't what he's been describing.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,551
    bendertherobot wrote:
    Rather than causing a big disruption in N.Y.C., I will be working out of my home in Bedminster, N.J. this weekend. Also saves country money!

    That's on the back of planned protests against, well, that thing.

    What if the gave him an office building in say Washington? He could work from there.
    I missed the N J. bit on the first read. Quite a different place. :lol:
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,327
    Has anyone bothered to explain the difference between the White house and the Apprentice to the Trumpster?
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  • bianchimoon
    bianchimoon Posts: 3,942
    Trying to put the russian investigation fire by pouring petrol on it, it's an interesting new tactic.. it's not teflon Don, but black hole Don, the more they throw at hime the bigger he gets... still sad
    All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....
  • mr_goo
    mr_goo Posts: 3,770
    PBlakeney wrote:
    Has anyone bothered to explain the difference between the White house and the Apprentice to the Trumpster?

    Clearly not. The man is an utter loon.
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  • FocusZing
    FocusZing Posts: 4,373
    He does want he wants to do and doesn't give a fvck about convention or conformity. As long as his interest is in genuinely making America great again, spot on. Don't we need a bit of that right now?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    FocusZing wrote:
    He does want he wants to do and doesn't give a fvck about convention or conformity. As long as his interest is in genuinely making America great again, spot on. Don't we need a bit of that right now?

    No.

    Eroding democratic convention and accountability is not justified, regardless of how benevolent the intent is.

    This is extremely important, and something that people seem to miss.
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  • FocusZing
    FocusZing Posts: 4,373
    ^Rubbish! Democratic convention gets changed daily by policy change to reflect the changes in society.

    Democratic convention to not allow Women to vote?
  • bompington
    bompington Posts: 7,674
    FocusZing wrote:
    He does want he wants to do and doesn't give a fvck about convention or conformity. As long as his interest is in genuinely making America great again, spot on. Don't we need a bit of that right now?
    Maybe yes - if you can explain in what way America is currently not great, what you intend to do about it, and why those actions are justified.

    The truth is that "make America great again" is just a vacuous slogan designed to hook voters, what he intends to do about it is not going to work, and those actions are going to cause a lot of harm.

    Are you seriously saying you admire him because "he does want he wants to do and doesn't give a fvck about convention or conformity"? Do you admire Harold Shipman, Adolf Hitler or Joe Stalin for those same qualities?
  • bianchimoon
    bianchimoon Posts: 3,942
    FocusZing wrote:
    He does want he wants to do and doesn't give a fvck about convention or conformity. As long as his interest is in genuinely making America great again, spot on. Don't we need a bit of that right now?
    deliberately inflamatory statement, methinks
    All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    FocusZing wrote:
    ^Rubbish! Democratic convention gets changed daily by policy change to reflect the changes in society.

    Democratic convention to not allow Women to vote?

    Yeah, those reforms made it more democratic and more accountable, not less.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    FocusZing wrote:
    He does want he wants to do and doesn't give a fvck about convention or conformity. As long as his interest is in genuinely making America great again, spot on. Don't we need a bit of that right now?

    Like a dictator, you mean?

    I think that the problem for the argument, even if you do want a "strong leader", is mainly in the middle sentence.
  • FocusZing
    FocusZing Posts: 4,373
    ^How the hell can you compare him to a dictator. He has to get policy passed the senate and next election he can be voted out.

    Also some developing countries need a strong dictator. Look whats happened since Kernel Gaddafi was ejected.

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