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elbowloh

coopster_the_1st said:

rick_chasey said:

Ben6899 said:

You wouldn't get majority vote for a black woman, in here, never mind in the US elections.

Anywhere in Europe

For the usual wokeys that are calling this out and sort of implying its because the UK is racist, can you name a black female public figure in the UK who you can see being qualified to lead the country?

I can't think of one and I can't think of any black female in the UK who I can see right now as being qualified enough to lead the country

I'm sure there are some highly talented black females currently working their way up the system but as yet, none I know of.

This is just where we are in the UK, not because we are racist, but black women are a relatively small group in the overall talent pool and only in the last couple of decades has this group started to enter the race to climb the greasy pole.

I'm sure this will change when a competent black female comes along but I don't see one on the horizon.

It could of course be because there are competent black females around, but have not been allowed to raise to a position where they could challenge the established "elite".

coopster_the_1st

elbowloh said:

coopster_the_1st said:

rick_chasey said:

Ben6899 said:

You wouldn't get majority vote for a black woman, in here, never mind in the US elections.

Anywhere in Europe

For the usual wokeys that are calling this out and sort of implying its because the UK is racist, can you name a black female public figure in the UK who you can see being qualified to lead the country?

I can't think of one and I can't think of any black female in the UK who I can see right now as being qualified enough to lead the country

I'm sure there are some highly talented black females currently working their way up the system but as yet, none I know of.

This is just where we are in the UK, not because we are racist, but black women are a relatively small group in the overall talent pool and only in the last couple of decades has this group started to enter the race to climb the greasy pole.

I'm sure this will change when a competent black female comes along but I don't see one on the horizon.

It could of course be because there are competent black females around, but have not been allowed to raise to a position where they could challenge the established "elite".

Is being an MP not "elite"? That's in the elite circles to me.

However none of those currently prominent are in anyway competent to be elected to run the country.

rick_chasey

No i'm saying it's the same in the whole of Europe too you moron.

coopster_the_1st

Three replies from the usual wokeys trying to imply it is something else and not one name of a black female who is qualified or competent enough to run the country.

Thanks for proving my point

coopster_the_1st

rick_chasey said:

No i'm saying it's the same in the whole of Europe too you moron.

I'm guessing the pool of talent is even smaller in most other European countries than it is here and large amounts of Europe are way behind the UK on the role of women in society.

Jezyboy

coopster_the_1st said:

elbowloh said:

coopster_the_1st said:

rick_chasey said:

Ben6899 said:

You wouldn't get majority vote for a black woman, in here, never mind in the US elections.

Anywhere in Europe

For the usual wokeys that are calling this out and sort of implying its because the UK is racist, can you name a black female public figure in the UK who you can see being qualified to lead the country?

I can't think of one and I can't think of any black female in the UK who I can see right now as being qualified enough to lead the country

I'm sure there are some highly talented black females currently working their way up the system but as yet, none I know of.

This is just where we are in the UK, not because we are racist, but black women are a relatively small group in the overall talent pool and only in the last couple of decades has this group started to enter the race to climb the greasy pole.

I'm sure this will change when a competent black female comes along but I don't see one on the horizon.

It could of course be because there are competent black females around, but have not been allowed to raise to a position where they could challenge the established "elite".

Is being an MP not "elite"? That's in the elite circles to me.

However none of those currently prominent are in anyway competent to be elected to run the country.

Boris isn't competent either. But fortunately for him, it doesn't seem to matter.

elbowloh

coopster_the_1st said:

Three replies from the usual wokeys trying to imply it is something else and not one name of a black female who is qualified or competent enough to run the country.

Thanks for proving my point

Tbf you don't need to be qualified or competent to run the country in order to get the job of running the country.

Just look at Bojo and a few other PMs in history.

How about someone like Sharon Michele White?

coopster_the_1st

Jezyboy said:

coopster_the_1st said:

elbowloh said:

coopster_the_1st said:

rick_chasey said:

Ben6899 said:

You wouldn't get majority vote for a black woman, in here, never mind in the US elections.

Anywhere in Europe

For the usual wokeys that are calling this out and sort of implying its because the UK is racist, can you name a black female public figure in the UK who you can see being qualified to lead the country?

I can't think of one and I can't think of any black female in the UK who I can see right now as being qualified enough to lead the country

I'm sure there are some highly talented black females currently working their way up the system but as yet, none I know of.

This is just where we are in the UK, not because we are racist, but black women are a relatively small group in the overall talent pool and only in the last couple of decades has this group started to enter the race to climb the greasy pole.

I'm sure this will change when a competent black female comes along but I don't see one on the horizon.

It could of course be because there are competent black females around, but have not been allowed to raise to a position where they could challenge the established "elite".

Is being an MP not "elite"? That's in the elite circles to me.

However none of those currently prominent are in anyway competent to be elected to run the country.

Boris isn't competent either. But fortunately for him, it doesn't seem to matter.

Now the wokeys are trying deflection because they know I am right and cannot answer the question.

When 1.5% of the UK population (2011 census) are black women, the pool of talent available is naturally smaller

veronese68

coopster_the_1st said:

elbowloh said:

coopster_the_1st said:

rick_chasey said:

Ben6899 said:

You wouldn't get majority vote for a black woman, in here, never mind in the US elections.

Anywhere in Europe

For the usual wokeys that are calling this out and sort of implying its because the UK is racist, can you name a black female public figure in the UK who you can see being qualified to lead the country?

I can't think of one and I can't think of any black female in the UK who I can see right now as being qualified enough to lead the country

I'm sure there are some highly talented black females currently working their way up the system but as yet, none I know of.

This is just where we are in the UK, not because we are racist, but black women are a relatively small group in the overall talent pool and only in the last couple of decades has this group started to enter the race to climb the greasy pole.

I'm sure this will change when a competent black female comes along but I don't see one on the horizon.

It could of course be because there are competent black females around, but have not been allowed to raise to a position where they could challenge the established "elite".

Is being an MP not "elite"? That's in the elite circles to me.

However none of those currently prominent are in anyway competent to be elected to run the country.

Read what he wrote and you might not look so stupid.

It could of course be because there are competent black females around, but have not been allowed to raise to a position where they could challenge the established "elite".

That means they haven't been able to rise to the elite even if they merit it, that's why you haven't heard of them. But of course you're right and everyone else is wrong

Ben6899

Coopster, if it is indeed the case, why do you think there are no black (or other minority) women "on the horizon"?

Don't you think the odds of that are vanishingly small, particularly in such a diverse population as the UK's?

Call me woke all you like, it makes you look a bit silly to be honest.

coopster_the_1st

elbowloh said:

coopster_the_1st said:

Three replies from the usual wokeys trying to imply it is something else and not one name of a black female who is qualified or competent enough to run the country.

Thanks for proving my point

Tbf you don't need to be qualified or competent to run the country in order to get the job of running the country.

Just look at Bojo and a few other PMs in history.

How about someone like Sharon Michele White?

I'll ignore another attempt a deflection...

I had to Google who she is as I know nothing of her. She has been recognised for her talents based on her Dame title so it is not like talent is not recognised or the person promoted based on the roles she has been in. Definitely sounds more competent that the prominent black female politicians that I am aware of.

elbowloh

coopster_the_1st said:

Jezyboy said:

coopster_the_1st said:

elbowloh said:

coopster_the_1st said:

rick_chasey said:

Ben6899 said:

You wouldn't get majority vote for a black woman, in here, never mind in the US elections.

Anywhere in Europe

For the usual wokeys that are calling this out and sort of implying its because the UK is racist, can you name a black female public figure in the UK who you can see being qualified to lead the country?

I can't think of one and I can't think of any black female in the UK who I can see right now as being qualified enough to lead the country

I'm sure there are some highly talented black females currently working their way up the system but as yet, none I know of.

This is just where we are in the UK, not because we are racist, but black women are a relatively small group in the overall talent pool and only in the last couple of decades has this group started to enter the race to climb the greasy pole.

I'm sure this will change when a competent black female comes along but I don't see one on the horizon.

It could of course be because there are competent black females around, but have not been allowed to raise to a position where they could challenge the established "elite".

Is being an MP not "elite"? That's in the elite circles to me.

However none of those currently prominent are in anyway competent to be elected to run the country.

Boris isn't competent either. But fortunately for him, it doesn't seem to matter.

Now the wokeys are trying deflection because they know I am right and cannot answer the question.

When 1.5% of the UK population (2011 census) are black women, the pool of talent available is naturally smaller

I'd imagine that the pool of people who went to Eton and then read PPE at Oxbridge is even smaller. However....well you know.

Jezyboy

coopster_the_1st said:

Jezyboy said:

coopster_the_1st said:

elbowloh said:

coopster_the_1st said:

rick_chasey said:

Ben6899 said:

You wouldn't get majority vote for a black woman, in here, never mind in the US elections.

Anywhere in Europe

For the usual wokeys that are calling this out and sort of implying its because the UK is racist, can you name a black female public figure in the UK who you can see being qualified to lead the country?

I can't think of one and I can't think of any black female in the UK who I can see right now as being qualified enough to lead the country

I'm sure there are some highly talented black females currently working their way up the system but as yet, none I know of.

This is just where we are in the UK, not because we are racist, but black women are a relatively small group in the overall talent pool and only in the last couple of decades has this group started to enter the race to climb the greasy pole.

I'm sure this will change when a competent black female comes along but I don't see one on the horizon.

It could of course be because there are competent black females around, but have not been allowed to raise to a position where they could challenge the established "elite".

Is being an MP not "elite"? That's in the elite circles to me.

However none of those currently prominent are in anyway competent to be elected to run the country.

Boris isn't competent either. But fortunately for him, it doesn't seem to matter.

Now the wokeys are trying deflection because they know I am right and cannot answer the question.

When 1.5% of the UK population (2011 census) are black women, the pool of talent available is naturally smaller

Meh, my pet saying is that equality isn't achieved when we have excellent women/whatever particular group, in positions of power. Because in quite a few cases, there are cases where amazing women have achieved spectacular things. Thatcher for example. Rather, the sign of true equality is when that protected group can be throughly mediocre, but still achieve... Theresa May for example.

surrey_commuter

coopster_the_1st said:

rick_chasey said:

Ben6899 said:

You wouldn't get majority vote for a black woman, in here, never mind in the US elections.

Anywhere in Europe

For the usual wokeys that are calling this out and sort of implying its because the UK is racist, can you name a black female public figure in the UK who you can see being qualified to lead the country?

I can't think of one and I can't think of any black female in the UK who I can see right now as being qualified enough to lead the country

I'm sure there are some highly talented black females currently working their way up the system but as yet, none I know of.

This is just where we are in the UK, not because we are racist, but black women are a relatively small group in the overall talent pool and only in the last couple of decades has this group started to enter the race to climb the greasy pole.

I'm sure this will change when a competent black female comes along but I don't see one on the horizon.

it's either that or talented black women are targeting industries and professions where they perceive discrimination to be less of a problem

coopster_the_1st

Ben6899 said:

Coopster, if it is indeed the case, why do you think there are no black (or other minority) women "on the horizon"?

Don't you think the odds of that are vanishingly small, particularly in such a diverse population as the UK's?

Call me woke all you like, it makes you look a bit silly to be honest.

Yes, the odds are small. Only 1.5% of the UK population are black females so that is long odds.

12 black females in Parliament shows they are over represented based on the 1.5% 2011 census.

Ben6899

coopster_the_1st said:

veronese68 said:

coopster_the_1st said:

elbowloh said:

coopster_the_1st said:

rick_chasey said:

Ben6899 said:

You wouldn't get majority vote for a black woman, in here, never mind in the US elections.

Anywhere in Europe

For the usual wokeys that are calling this out and sort of implying its because the UK is racist, can you name a black female public figure in the UK who you can see being qualified to lead the country?

I can't think of one and I can't think of any black female in the UK who I can see right now as being qualified enough to lead the country

I'm sure there are some highly talented black females currently working their way up the system but as yet, none I know of.

This is just where we are in the UK, not because we are racist, but black women are a relatively small group in the overall talent pool and only in the last couple of decades has this group started to enter the race to climb the greasy pole.

I'm sure this will change when a competent black female comes along but I don't see one on the horizon.

It could of course be because there are competent black females around, but have not been allowed to raise to a position where they could challenge the established "elite".

Is being an MP not "elite"? That's in the elite circles to me.

However none of those currently prominent are in anyway competent to be elected to run the country.

Read what he wrote and you might not look so stupid.

It could of course be because there are competent black females around, but have not been allowed to raise to a position where they could challenge the established "elite".

That means they haven't been able to rise to the elite even if they merit it, that's why you haven't heard of them. But of course you're right and everyone else is wrong

So, based on your logic and the current prominent politicians, only incompetent black females have been allowed to rise to the "elite" level and the competent ones have been suppressed?

Ben6899 said:

Coopster, if it is indeed the case, why do you think there are no black (or other minority) women "on the horizon"?

Don't you think the odds of that are vanishingly small, particularly in such a diverse population as the UK's?

Call me woke all you like, it makes you look a bit silly to be honest.

Yes, the odds are small. Only 1.5% of the UK population are black females so that is long odds.

12 black women in Parliament shows they are over represented based on the 1.5% 2011 census.

What percentage of the population went to Eton?

TheBigBean

Ben6899 said:

Coopster, if it is indeed the case, why do you think there are no black (or other minority) women "on the horizon"?

Don't you think the odds of that are vanishingly small, particularly in such a diverse population as the UK's?

Call me woke all you like, it makes you look a bit silly to be honest.

Priti Patel is fairly close. Obviously disliked on this forum though.

Theresa May became PM without any talent which implies that being a woman isn't an impediment.

Rishi Sunak is considered the emperor in waiting by some which implies that being white isn't the only option.

Is it better to of Asian origin than black (note Patel's parents are from Uganda)? Quite possibly, but I'm not sure people care as much as is made out on this thread.

Ben6899

I wasn't the one who said there were no black (or other minorities) "on the horizon".

Denying there's a systemic problem in most of the world isn't a very good look. In my opinion.

kingstongraham

Did this argument start from Trump saying he wanted a far right, violent white supremacist group to "stand by"?

That seems significantly and worryingly more racist than the structural issues we have in the UK.

coopster_the_1st

Jezyboy said:

coopster_the_1st said:

Jezyboy said:

coopster_the_1st said:

elbowloh said:

coopster_the_1st said:

rick_chasey said:

Ben6899 said:

You wouldn't get majority vote for a black woman, in here, never mind in the US elections.

Anywhere in Europe

For the usual wokeys that are calling this out and sort of implying its because the UK is racist, can you name a black female public figure in the UK who you can see being qualified to lead the country?

I can't think of one and I can't think of any black female in the UK who I can see right now as being qualified enough to lead the country

I'm sure there are some highly talented black females currently working their way up the system but as yet, none I know of.

This is just where we are in the UK, not because we are racist, but black women are a relatively small group in the overall talent pool and only in the last couple of decades has this group started to enter the race to climb the greasy pole.

I'm sure this will change when a competent black female comes along but I don't see one on the horizon.

It could of course be because there are competent black females around, but have not been allowed to raise to a position where they could challenge the established "elite".

Is being an MP not "elite"? That's in the elite circles to me.

However none of those currently prominent are in anyway competent to be elected to run the country.

Boris isn't competent either. But fortunately for him, it doesn't seem to matter.

Now the wokeys are trying deflection because they know I am right and cannot answer the question.

When 1.5% of the UK population (2011 census) are black women, the pool of talent available is naturally smaller

Meh, my pet saying is that equality isn't achieved when we have excellent women/whatever particular group, in positions of power. Because in quite a few cases, there are cases where amazing women have achieved spectacular things. Thatcher for example. Rather, the sign of true equality is when that protected group can be throughly mediocre, but still achieve... Theresa May for example.

There were 37 years between Thatcher and May becoming PM. That is about the length of time it takes to work up the greasy pole if you are good enough, some will be faster, others will take longer. For a protected group to have representatives at the top means they need to enter in large numbers at the bottom. It's not unreasonable to take the view this happened in the 1980's for women.

DeVlaeminck

If you look at the social background of British PMs it's not a surprise we haven't had a BAME PM or even come close to it. No doubt racial prejudice plays a part in that but compared to class mobility and sex/gender roles, norms and inequalities it's not a major role.

If we do have a BAME leader of any gender I'd expect them to come from the right . The problem for any on the left is not being seen as reinforcing the stereotype that the left is unconcerned with the white working class - the whole identity politics BLM stuff is a huge turnoff for swathes of the population Labour would need to win over.

Ben6899

kingstongraham said:

Did this argument start from Trump saying he wanted a far right, violent white supremacist group to "stand by"?

That seems significantly and worryingly more racist than the structural issues we have in the UK.

We were discussing how Biden cannot surely be the Democrats' best offering and someone mentioned that he has a head start because he's an older, white bloke.

coopster_the_1st

Ben6899 said:

I wasn't the one who said there were no black (or other minorities) "on the horizon".

Denying there's a systemic problem in most of the world isn't a very good look. In my opinion.

The bad look is projecting your own misplaced guilt onto Cakestop and the UK as a whole. That makes you the one who looks silly.

You are the one with the inbuilt problem. We will only move forward when the likes of you lose this misplaced guilt complex.

It's bad enough the likes of you does not respect democracy, let alone trying to guilt trip the UK to make yourself feel better.

coopster_the_1st

kingstongraham said:

Did this argument start from Trump saying he wanted a far right, violent white supremacist group to "stand by"?

That seems significantly and worryingly more racist than the structural issues we have in the UK.

Does the UK have the structural issues you imply? Or is it just that time is needed for the cream to rise to the top?

I would say the latter nowadays although BLM are trying to put this back at least a decade.

Ben6899

coopster_the_1st said:

Ben6899 said:

I wasn't the one who said there were no black (or other minorities) "on the horizon".

Denying there's a systemic problem in most of the world isn't a very good look. In my opinion.

The bad look is projecting your own misplaced guilt onto Cakestop and the UK as a whole. That makes you the one who looks silly.

You are the one with the inbuilt problem. We will only move forward when the likes of you lose this misplaced guilt complex.

It's bad enough the likes of you does not respect democracy, let alone trying to guilt trip the UK to make yourself feel better.

No guilt here, pal. Not about this anyway.

What on earth are you talking about?

Ben6899

Ben6899 said:

coopster_the_1st said:

Yes, the odds are small. Only 1.5% of the UK population are black females so that is long odds.

12 black women in Parliament shows they are over represented based on the 1.5% 2011 census.

What percentage of the population went to Eton?

So what percentage?

First.Aspect

Have I really just read a page of someone arguing that there are no impediments to social mobility in the UK, let alone for minorities. Any that any cream would have risen to the top?

coopster_the_1st

Ben6899 said:

coopster_the_1st said:

Ben6899 said:

I wasn't the one who said there were no black (or other minorities) "on the horizon".

Denying there's a systemic problem in most of the world isn't a very good look. In my opinion.

The bad look is projecting your own misplaced guilt onto Cakestop and the UK as a whole. That makes you the one who looks silly.

You are the one with the inbuilt problem. We will only move forward when the likes of you lose this misplaced guilt complex.

It's bad enough the likes of you does not respect democracy, let alone trying to guilt trip the UK to make yourself feel better.

No guilt here, pal. Not about this anyway.

What on earth are you talking about?

I'm calling you out on implying the Cakestop is racist. That is your guilt trip, not mine and you look silly for implying so!

veronese68

First.Aspect said:

Have I really just read a page of someone arguing that there are no impediments to social mobility in the UK, let alone for minorities. Any that any cream would have risen to the top?

Whilst calling others stupid, yet being either incapable of reading what's been written or ignoring it because it destroys his argument.

Ben6899

The only thing I am guilty of here is baiting him.