Donald Trump

verylonglegs

bianchimoon wrote:

Trump is due to give his first press conference in months later today, personally I don't think it will happen, don't ask me how I know I just feel it in my waters

Are you hiding on the grassy knoll with a rifle?

bianchimoon

verylonglegs wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

Trump is due to give his first press conference in months later today, personally I don't think it will happen, don't ask me how I know I just feel it in my waters

Are you hiding on the grassy knoll with a rifle?

shhh the russians are listening.. it was more a play on 'watersportsgate'

burnthesheep

Judging by a lot of the member locations on bikeradar I'm going to assume it is most frequented by British folks. Therefore, I blame you guys. All that Brexit stuff emboldened the crazies over here.

On an actual serious note:
What actually won him the election, with the victory of several midwestern states, is that evangelicals in those midwestern states voted for him as a backlash to progressive social policies and court victories under Obama. On a recent trip to that part of the country several Trump voters willingly offered up their reasons: it almost made them vomit in their mouths to do it, but they couldn't as an evangelical let a Democratic president select so many SCOTUS justices.

It had nothing to do with ignoring the economic plight of the "rust belt" of the US. It had everything to do with SCOTUS picks and a backlash against gay rights, black lives matters (BLM), and 8 years of Obama not protecting the evangelicals and zionists at home and around the world the way they liked.

Nobody wants to admit it, but the US is still a very young country. Infantile in its history. We aren't willing to recognize that the rapid social gains of the last 100 years, while great, cannot erase generations upon generations of different viewpoints.

My theory: As rural America does not tend to mobilize as much as urban and suburban citizens, those children become adults in the same areas. The same 100 year old views persist. This quote from a famous American author sums up my theory well: “Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.”

Look at an electoral map on a precinct level basis. You can very easily see that the left wins urban, lots of suburbia, college towns, and much of the like. Even in right leaning states, this typically holds true.

One may try to argue that urban and suburban folks don't move. Statistics show otherwise. The stats prove the vegetation of the rural folks and the mobility of their urban and suburban neighbors. The urban and suburban neighbors being statistically more likely to have attended college ( and thus moved to do so), or on occasion moving jobs for new opportunities.

I feel in perhaps 10 years, the US will have to address the failures of the electoral college supporting rural areas much more heavily while still protecting those people's view with some balance.

You should still have a voice, but you shouldn't win when you get 3 million fewer votes.

bianchimoon

burnthesheep wrote:

Judging by a lot of the member locations on bikeradar I'm going to assume it is most frequented by British folks. Therefore, I blame you guys. All that Brexit stuff emboldened the crazies over here.

On an actual serious note:
What actually won him the election, with the victory of several midwestern states, is that evangelicals in those midwestern states voted for him as a backlash to progressive social policies and court victories under Obama. On a recent trip to that part of the country several Trump voters willingly offered up their reasons: it almost made them vomit in their mouths to do it, but they couldn't as an evangelical let a Democratic president select so many SCOTUS justices.

It had nothing to do with ignoring the economic plight of the "rust belt" of the US. It had everything to do with SCOTUS picks and a backlash against gay rights, black lives matters (BLM), and 8 years of Obama not protecting the evangelicals and zionists at home and around the world the way they liked.

Nobody wants to admit it, but the US is still a very young country. Infantile in its history. We aren't willing to recognize that the rapid social gains of the last 100 years, while great, cannot erase generations upon generations of different viewpoints.

My theory: As rural America does not tend to mobilize as much as urban and suburban citizens, those children become adults in the same areas. The same 100 year old views persist. This quote from a famous American author sums up my theory well: “Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.”

Look at an electoral map on a precinct level basis. You can very easily see that the left wins urban, lots of suburbia, college towns, and much of the like. Even in right leaning states, this typically holds true.

One may try to argue that urban and suburban folks don't move. Statistics show otherwise. The stats prove the vegetation of the rural folks and the mobility of their urban and suburban neighbors. The urban and suburban neighbors being statistically more likely to have attended college ( and thus moved to do so), or on occasion moving jobs for new opportunities.

I feel in perhaps 10 years, the US will have to address the failures of the electoral college supporting rural areas much more heavily while still protecting those people's view with some balance.

You should still have a voice, but you shouldn't win when you get 3 million fewer votes.

So very well articulated burnthesheep, we can only hope that the republican (left leaning) can put some brakes on his ambitions

veronese68

burnthesheep wrote:

Judging by a lot of the member locations on bikeradar I'm going to assume it is most frequented by British folks. Therefore, I blame you guys. All that Brexit stuff emboldened the crazies over here.

As somebody else said, the US voting for Trump has restored world order. We were the global laughing stock for a while, now we can act superior and laugh at the US again.
Completely agree with the rest of your post as well. A friend's daughter has just got back from driving around the states in an old Mustang. Said the East and West coasts were anti Trump, everywhere else seemed pro Trump.

burnthesheep

Thanks. It's also not to say all Trumpers are nutters. Some just made a very difficult decision between the immediate choice and long term implications to what they believe in.

I feel the single most meaningful thing that could happen socially in the US, that would drive real long term change, is for there to be a successful swing from Second Great Awakening evangelism to a more modern approach.

This may seem irrelevant due to declining church membership in the US and abroad, but a lot of the sentiments from that period of history remain.

Here's a Wiki quote: "Converts were taught that to achieve salvation they needed not just to repent personal sin but also work for the moral perfection of society, which meant eradicating sin in all its forms. "

This lends itself to US conservative's tendency to try to promote a morally legalistic agenda in politics: no abortion rights, no gay rights, less women's rights, patriarchal society, unwavering respect of authority figures.

The change I would like to see is a movement away from this kind of mentality and a movement towards social justice.

bianchimoon

Watching and listening to Tillerson, it seems that if US sanctions against Russia or Iran would upset business interests in the US he would have to think twice!!! WTF

rick_chasey

bianchimoon wrote:

Watching and listening to Tillerson, it seems that if US sanctions against Russia or Iran would upset business interests in the US he would have to think twice!!! WTF

http://corporate.exxonmobil.com/en/comp ... ons/russia

bianchimoon

Rick Chasey wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

Watching and listening to Tillerson, it seems that if US sanctions against Russia or Iran would upset business interests in the US he would have to think twice!!! WTF

http://corporate.exxonmobil.com/en/comp ... ons/russia

sad day, that US foreign policy for all it's faults chooses money/business as the driver

kingstongraham

bianchimoon wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

Watching and listening to Tillerson, it seems that if US sanctions against Russia or Iran would upset business interests in the US he would have to think twice!!! WTF

http://corporate.exxonmobil.com/en/comp ... ons/russia

sad day, that US foreign policy for all it's faults chooses money/business as the driver

When was that? 1945 when Roosevelt met with King Saud and agreed US support in return for oil?

bianchimoon

KingstonGraham wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

Watching and listening to Tillerson, it seems that if US sanctions against Russia or Iran would upset business interests in the US he would have to think twice!!! WTF

http://corporate.exxonmobil.com/en/comp ... ons/russia

sad day, that US foreign policy for all it's faults chooses money/business as the driver

When was that? 1945 when Roosevelt met with King Saud and agreed US support in return for oil?

needs must

bendertherobot

Well, he's live. And he starts by saying he has more respect for certain organisations who, in essence, haven't had a go at him

bendertherobot

He can't pronounce the word industry it seems. Other than that he wants the jobs back in the USA.

bendertherobot

The F35/F18 is going to be a beautiful thing.

bendertherobot

Greatest jobs producer that God ever created. (will be). But will need some luck.

God v luck

bendertherobot

The states which voted for him are going to have a lot of jobs.

bendertherobot

Questions on intelligence briefing. Do you accept their opinion that Putin ordered the hack? If so, how will that colour relationship.

These meetings are classified, can't say. Many witnesses in that meeting. I think it's a disgrace that info would be let out. I saw and read it outside that meeting, it's fake news, didn't happen.

kingstongraham

bendertherobot wrote:

The states which voted for him are going to have a lot of jobs.

Are they going to be the best jobs?

bendertherobot

He can tell you about outside the meeting about the stuff inside the meeting.

And it was China

bendertherobot

The Democrats did a very bad job at defense of hacking.

Interesting that isn't it. The fact that they were hacked is not evidence of that is it?

bendertherobot

He thinks that if Putin had something they'd be glad to release it.

Right.........

bompington

KingstonGraham wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

The states which voted for him are going to have a lot of jobs.

Are they going to be the best jobs?

They're going to be beautiful jobs.

bendertherobot

If Putin likes me then that's an asset

bianchimoon

KingstonGraham wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

The states which voted for him are going to have a lot of jobs.

Are they going to be the best jobs?

there are limits to the capabilities of trump voters, but don't knock banjo making

bendertherobot

Don't like the question, act like a child and talk shout down the reporter.

bendertherobot

Then randomly wanders off.

kingstongraham

At a glance, it looks like he was speaking in front of a "No entry" sign.

bendertherobot

We've had 15 minutes now on how it's like a blind trust but not really one as you can't have a blind trust cos ewe is so famous and you'd find out what you didn't know about in minutes.

bendertherobot

And he's back.

bendertherobot

Obamacare, repeal and replace essentially the same day, could be same hour. Very complicated stuff. Good luck with that kind of legislation.