Donald Trump

rick_chasey

Evidence loses its impact second time around.

pinno

Rick Chasey wrote:

Evidence loses its impact second time around.

Okay. What's the Al Green impeachment justification(s) ?
Is it connected to the FBI directly?

rick_chasey

I just think in such a partisan environment where reporting has no basis in reality, the case needs to be chuffing watertight, and I reckon the senator in question is trying to make a name for himself rather than genuinely getting rid of him.

FBI, given its position and reputation (especially given the role they had during the election) are based places to do the impeaching.

And let's face it, there are enough egos in that place that being the man that uncovers the Russians, (THE arch enemy of America for its entire golden age, had a significant hand and stake in Trump's election and he has treasonous links to them), is an attractive proposition.

pinno

Wouldn't an impeachment charge by Al Green weaken Trump's position?
Would heads roll? Would someone 'squeak'?

I mean, that will be the point where the 'fake' press will have no say; when the impeachment gears are rolling. It will be in the hands of the senate (I presume) and the judiciary. In other words, Trump will not be able to use any apparent popularity (or otherwise) to bail him out.

rick_chasey

If trump wins it strengthens his position no?

pinno

Rick Chasey wrote:

If trump wins it strengthens his position no?

Then that surely must counter the argument that Green is using this as a popularity opportunity - i'e, if Green fails, then he's not done himself any favours.

We do not know and do not get the undercurrent within the establishment to try and remove him in any press really. Just the tip of the iceberg. I am sure that there may be a consensus amongst big corporations given Trump's rhetoric on the Pacific agreement for example and other things he has stated that they see as potentially damaging to future commerce that will not be publicly aired or printed and I think that will be prevalent.
Someone said once that in America, the elite was for the elite and I don't think that Leopard has changed it's spots. That was evident for the duration of the Obama administration; Bush was given a much easier time, after all he was a white, God fearing ex preacher man and a complete idiot at times - drunk too, yet he seemed to get away with it.

The 'establishment' is made up of commerce, power brokers and those keen to maintain the status quo and so I believe, Trump's inconsistency, unpredictability and a threat to the stability of that status quo as well as a threat to the financial stability and the intrinsically linked international diplomatic standing of the US.

rick_chasey

Ya but racism.

Runs deep there. I increasingly just see Trump as a reaction to 8 years of a president who wasn't "white".

S'what it increasingly seems to boil down to.

bianchimoon

as if it couldn't get any worse in the Us, Roy Moore won in Alabama’s GOP Senate primary runoff, another absolute 'dotard' who believes gods law supersedes state law and that christian culture should be infused into all civic institutions. Even Trump voted for the other guy Luther Strange, crazy right winger by anyones standards, but not enough so for Alabama

kingstongraham

Hasn't he tried to do what he promised in the campaign? And also, given his character as exposed in the campaign, reacted to failing exactly as you'd expect?

An attempt at impeachment feels wrong until there is evidence produced by the inquiries rather than leaks from them.

bendertherobot

I wondered whether Houston or Florida would be his Waterloo. Nowhere close. Puerto Rico? Literally in the middle of a massive ocean. Who cares?

briantrumpet

bendertherobot wrote:

I wondered whether Houston or Florida would be his Waterloo. Nowhere close. Puerto Rico? Literally in the middle of a massive ocean. Who cares?

If anyone needs convincing that Trump's brain is rotting before our very eyes only needs to watch this. He really is having difficulty with concepts/things, the words you need to express them, and how to get the words out in the right order. Pile that onto his personality, and you have Trump. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVzey3LReUU

pinno

"...big water; ocean water..."

WTF?! It's actually hard to watch.

briantrumpet

Pinno wrote:

"...big water; ocean water..."

WTF?! It's actually hard to watch.

"Big ... water" is the sort of thing that a very young child learning what words mean and how to string them together might try. This is the so-called President of the United States, FFS.

briantrumpet

Hey ho, Trump is losing bigly in Puerto Rico and 'Take A Knee', so let's try to undermine the diplomats (if Tillerson classes as one of those) and provoke a nuclear war instead. Big ... bomby... things.

Pross

briantrumpet wrote:

Pinno wrote:

"...big water; ocean water..."

WTF?! It's actually hard to watch.

"Big ... water" is the sort of thing that a very young child learning what words mean and how to string them together might try. This is the so-called President of the United States, FFS.

I was saying his in work the other day. He's just like a primary school and his vocabulary is ridiculously limited. He uses adjectives such as bad and nasty all the time like school yard bickering and even reacts like a sulking child when the argument doesn't go his way by petty name calling.

orraloon

The people have spoken and the will of the people must be respected, so quit all your snowflake whingeing about POTUS... Oops, sorry wrong thread.

rolf_f

Pross wrote:

briantrumpet wrote:

Pinno wrote:

"...big water; ocean water..."

WTF?! It's actually hard to watch.

"Big ... water" is the sort of thing that a very young child learning what words mean and how to string them together might try. This is the so-called President of the United States, FFS.

I was saying his in work the other day. He's just like a primary school and his vocabulary is ridiculously limited. He uses adjectives such as bad and nasty all the time like school yard bickering and even reacts like a sulking child when the argument doesn't go his way by petty name calling.

You have to admire a country where even being retarded isn't an obstruction to becoming president! Or maybe not.....

bendertherobot

Today's tweets will be interesting depending on the nationality of those involved in Vegas....

john80

I would put Donald Trump in the same league as Diane Abbot at the last general election where I thought she had alzheimers. That is illustrious company indeed. I cant really watch him attempt to simplify the world as I don't even have to do this much simplification for the primary school kids.

bendertherobot

The ID is all over twitter, this is certainly going to be quite an interesting one.

bianchimoon

Trump

Being nice to Rocket Man hasn't worked in 25 years, why would it work now? Clinton failed, Bush failed, and Obama failed. I won't fail.

'Rocket man has only been in charge for 6 years

bendertherobot

Perhaps he has a point. If Bush had been nicer to 8 year old Kim this may not have happened.

slowbike

briantrumpet wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

I wondered whether Houston or Florida would be his Waterloo. Nowhere close. Puerto Rico? Literally in the middle of a massive ocean. Who cares?

If anyone needs convincing that Trump's brain is rotting before our very eyes only needs to watch this. He really is having difficulty with concepts/things, the words you need to express them, and how to get the words out in the right order. Pile that onto his personality, and you have Trump. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVzey3LReUU

Look at it from his viewpoint ... he's trying to belittle his audience - so he uses basic terminology in order to make it easy for his listeners to understand.

PhilipPirrip

bendertherobot wrote:

The ID is all over twitter, this is certainly going to be quite an interesting one.

Ooh it's one of 'those fine people' (i.e. a white American and their right to bear arms). Has Donny the cojones to call it out as terrorism and what will he say/do regards gun control?

bendertherobot

So, that appears to be the worst mass shooting in US history?

briantrumpet

PhilipPirrip wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

The ID is all over twitter, this is certainly going to be quite an interesting one.

Ooh it's one of 'those fine people' (i.e. a white American and their right to bear arms). Has Donny the cojones to call it out as terrorism and what will he say/do regards gun control?

Something tells me Mr Tweety will suddenly find himself too busy to tweet this morning. Poor thing, he was working all weekend... on his swing.

tangled_metal

Guns don't kill ppl rabbits do!

Sorry every white guy with the NRA bought and paid for right to bear arms shoots a place up that Goldie looking chain song comes to the forefront of my mind. The day the NRA runs out of money, we can only hope, will be the only hope for American gun control. Until then let's laugh and joke about how American lawmakers are unable to see the problem isn't just users of guns but the fact they're so easy to get hold of. Time they followed our system. That way only completely illegally owned guns kill ppl or psychos with legitimate gun licenses kill ppl.

Donny will be NRA right to bear arms politician purely because he's redneck America backed

bianchimoon

at least the NRA, Trump, Redneck argument that if they carry guns they can defend themselves from the 'bad men' rang true...

oh no wait a minute

tangled_metal

The bad men are sometimes the good 'ol boys who want to own fully automatic assault rifles. Why? You can't exactly use an m16 to shoot squirrels for supper! Not if you want any of it left to eat.

bendertherobot

Just browsing Nevada's carry laws. Appears to be quite legal to open carry, no waiting times, automatic ok.

But you need a licence for concealed carry in your own home.