Donald Trump

briantrumpet

bianchimoon wrote:

at least the NRA, Trump, Redneck argument that if they carry guns they can defend themselves from the 'bad men' rang true...

oh no wait a minute

After one of the horrific school massacres, the NRA weighed in saying that the teachers should be carrying guns, and the kids should be wearing kevlar vests, or kevlar backpacks at least. Gotta love the Americans' sense of seizing a marketing opportunity.

lostboysaint

bendertherobot wrote:

Just browsing Nevada's carry laws. Appears to be quite legal to open carry, no waiting times, automatic ok.

But you need a licence for concealed carry in your own home.

No purchasing restrictions on either automatic weapons or ammo for them in Nevada.

john80

I am waiting for the bad people on both sides line to come from the trumpinator.

orraloon

Stephen Paddock. Looks and sounds Korean to me.

briantrumpet

orraloon wrote:

Stephen Paddock. Looks and sounds Korean to me.

His wife has brown skin. Join the dots...

PhilipPirrip

orraloon wrote:

Stephen Paddock. Looks and sounds Korean to me.

Donny has called the Birther movement and they're just constructing that change of nationally right now.

tangled_metal

I will pi$$ myself if someone hijacks his Twitter account and post lines from GLC! It's calling out for a serious politician to show a sense of humor over the ridiculous gun rights in America. It's ingrained in a way it's hard for most brits to comprehend. I got it when speaking to Texan who couldn't understand gun control. I explained how shooting a few cans would result in an armed police response unit surrounding my back yard with big guns. I'm not talking him being surprised I'm talking a graduate engineer not actually understanding the idea that not everyone should be allowed to own guns. A seriously bright guy but it did not register with him. That alone shocked me and convinced me that I no longer wanted to live there.

BTW it's always tragic when these attacks happen. My apparent cold responses are solely due to the fact I've given up hope of things getting better over there. It has happened so many times, with the same initial response then nothing once the news media have moved on. It's not going to change without a complete change in mindset over gun ownership. I'm not holding my breath.

trivial_poursuivant

Tangled Metal wrote:

The bad men are sometimes the good 'ol boys who want to own fully automatic assault rifles. Why? You can't exactly use an m16 to shoot squirrels for supper! Not if you want any of it left to eat.

That wasn't an M16 or similar. From listening to the news it must have been a belt fed fully automatic weapon like a minimi since the rate of fire is constant and too slow for a small arms rifle. Over 100 injured and 20 killed so at least bare minimum 120 rounds. M16 magazines hold max 30 rounds of 5.56. If it were a larger calibre weapon like a 7.62 round it would have killed a hell of a lot more. So quite why someone has access to a military grade weapon with belt fed ammo is beyond me. NRA can't justify that and certainly wouldn't be openly carried.

tangled_metal

It was an example gun type that most will have heard of. Not up on guns but they're all excessive for most ppl to own, even shotguns IMHO. USA needs gun control. Simple as. Reason for owning the gun needs to be proven for anything more powerful than a BB gun. In fact more than a spud gun because they're Americans!

bendertherobot

So, it was from the 32nd floor. That's quite something.

lostboysaint

http://www.thoughtsandprayersthegame.com/

rick_chasey

Has anyone argued that the solution is to have crowds who carry sniper rifles yet?

thegreatdivide

Rick Chasey wrote:

Has anyone argued that the solution is to have crowds who carry sniper rifles yet?

Well I just had a trawl through the NRA Facebook page comments and yip, that's pretty much what they're suggesting.

rick_chasey

Classic.

Because they're all such good shots that, at a drop of a hat, literally under fire, they could shoot someone hanging out of a 32nd story window.

john80

Trivial poursuivant wrote:

Tangled Metal wrote:

The bad men are sometimes the good 'ol boys who want to own fully automatic assault rifles. Why? You can't exactly use an m16 to shoot squirrels for supper! Not if you want any of it left to eat.

That wasn't an M16 or similar. From listening to the news it must have been a belt fed fully automatic weapon like a minimi since the rate of fire is constant and too slow for a small arms rifle. Over 100 injured and 20 killed so at least bare minimum 120 rounds. M16 magazines hold max 30 rounds of 5.56. If it were a larger calibre weapon like a 7.62 round it would have killed a hell of a lot more. So quite why someone has access to a military grade weapon with belt fed ammo is beyond me. NRA can't justify that and certainly wouldn't be openly carried.

You should never underestimate the NRA. They are capable to spinning anything to their fans.

tangled_metal

Shooting fish in a barrel with a semi-automatic rifle. Only in America!

john80

Rick Chasey wrote:

Classic.

Because they're all such good shots that, at a drop of a hat, literally under fire, they could shoot someone hanging out of a 32nd story window.

Don't forget having had a few shandies to steady the hands.

veronese68

Rick Chasey wrote:

Classic.

Because they're all such good shots that, at a drop of a hat, literally under fire, they could shoot someone hanging out of a 32nd story window.

Think about it. If all 20,000 had rifles one of them would have hit him before so many were killed. How can you not see the obvious? The several hundred others that would have been killed by stray bullets are just collateral damage.

It is desperately sad, but that's how stupid the situation, the NRA and their arguments are.

tangled_metal

I once found that my darts abilities only came out after a few strong drinks. So getting pi$$Ed then firing a gun at a 32nd floor window would possibly have been OK for me. Right?

Add in the potentially high proportion of NRA types at a country carrying guns and you've got a firestorm going back at the lone wolf. I can see the logic. Beer and guns! The solution to a lot of America's ills! Make America great!

bianchimoon

Veronese68 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Classic.

Because they're all such good shots that, at a drop of a hat, literally under fire, they could shoot someone hanging out of a 32nd story window.

Think about it. If all 20,000 had rifles one of them would have hit him before so many were killed. How can you not see the obvious? The several hundred others that would have been killed by stray bullets are just collateral damage.

It is desperately sad, but that's how stupid the situation, the NRA and their arguments are.

20,000 NRA members with auto weapons... one good way to demolish the hotel!

veronese68

bianchimoon wrote:

20,000 NRA members with auto weapons... one good way to demolish the hotel!

No, I read that there were 20,000 at the festival and the NRA line is that the good people are armed they can shoot back. So a load of festival goers shooting back. End result is the same though. I was just highlighting what a ridiculous argument it is from the NRA types.
20,000 does sound like a lot of people, should check my facts before I'm accused of being fake news.

Pross

Trivial poursuivant wrote:

Tangled Metal wrote:

The bad men are sometimes the good 'ol boys who want to own fully automatic assault rifles. Why? You can't exactly use an m16 to shoot squirrels for supper! Not if you want any of it left to eat.

That wasn't an M16 or similar. From listening to the news it must have been a belt fed fully automatic weapon like a minimi since the rate of fire is constant and too slow for a small arms rifle. Over 100 injured and 20 killed so at least bare minimum 120 rounds. M16 magazines hold max 30 rounds of 5.56. If it were a larger calibre weapon like a 7.62 round it would have killed a hell of a lot more. So quite why someone has access to a military grade weapon with belt fed ammo is beyond me. NRA can't justify that and certainly wouldn't be openly carried.

Full automatic weapons made after 1986 are banned under federal law but guns manufactured before that are still legal to own and transfer as long as they are registered. There are around 400,000 registered weapons that fall into this category - it's absolute madness, the Government has acknowledged that these weapons have no place in hunting or recreational shooting and yet allow 400,000 of them to be in legal ownership!

briantrumpet

Pross wrote:

Trivial poursuivant wrote:

Tangled Metal wrote:

The bad men are sometimes the good 'ol boys who want to own fully automatic assault rifles. Why? You can't exactly use an m16 to shoot squirrels for supper! Not if you want any of it left to eat.

That wasn't an M16 or similar. From listening to the news it must have been a belt fed fully automatic weapon like a minimi since the rate of fire is constant and too slow for a small arms rifle. Over 100 injured and 20 killed so at least bare minimum 120 rounds. M16 magazines hold max 30 rounds of 5.56. If it were a larger calibre weapon like a 7.62 round it would have killed a hell of a lot more. So quite why someone has access to a military grade weapon with belt fed ammo is beyond me. NRA can't justify that and certainly wouldn't be openly carried.

Full automatic weapons made after 1986 are banned under federal law but guns manufactured before that are still legal to own and transfer as long as they are registered. There are around 400,000 registered weapons that fall into this category - it's absolute madness, the Government has acknowledged that these weapons have no place in hunting or recreational shooting and yet allow 400,000 of them to be in legal ownership!

Nah. The logical thing would be to allow another 400,000 of these to be bought by the good guys. What could possibly go wrong?

bianchimoon

trump to give speech shortly, i bet the aides are spending more time telling him to just read the statement please don't ad lib!

tangled_metal

It'll be fun whatever he says. Stick to script? Has he ever done that b4? If he has then Jeez he's got some batsh1t crazy script writers!

bianchimoon

Tangled Metal wrote:

It'll be fun whatever he says. Stick to script? Has he ever done that b4? If he has then Jeez he's got some batsh1t crazy script writers!

seems he's stuck to 'scriptures' instead

bianchimoon

praying for the day when evil is banished WTF .. a speech written by mike pence by the sound of it... phew i thought he would say we are working on a solution, but no pass the buck to an imaginary being to sort out instead

briantrumpet

bianchimoon wrote:

trump to give speech shortly, i bet the aides are spending more time telling him to just read the statement please don't ad lib!

Shiiiiit.

"Guns... big ... shooty things. Bad. Bigly bad. It's difficult. The NRA ... great, great guys... really the greatest. I was talking to my great, great friend, Charlton Heston, really no-one in the history of the world was a greater man... and he told me 'Donald, American guns for American people, that's what made America great, and made you the greatest President in American history', and I knew then, as I've always known, that American guns are great. Really."

mfin

bianchimoon wrote:

Tangled Metal wrote:

It'll be fun whatever he says. Stick to script? Has he ever done that b4? If he has then Jeez he's got some batsh1t crazy script writers!

seems he's stuck to 'scriptures' instead

Yep, and it being "pure evil".

Bloody religious claptrap. There's no such thing as "evil" in just the same way as there's no such thing as dragons.

It's lucky everyone in the USA is (a) Religious, and (b) Christian. Otherwise, his comments would have only talked to a subsection of americans :roll:

Religion has no place in politics and my guess is people of other religions and no religion were caught up in this shooting.

pinno

Heston:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOJQFNOQqCY

"With these cold dead hands..."

What are you going to do with them? Have a w@nk and call it necrophilia?!

It's hard to actually figure out exactly what he meant in that speech.