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best wishes to the people who were caught up in the terrible attacks, and their families
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sungod
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best wishes to the people who were caught up in the terrible attacks, and their families
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The news from Paris just gets worse and worse. So sad, so senseless
Yep. That just about sums it up.
Unfortunately this is a no-win situation. If the hard-core fundamentalists of the US bomb the hardcare fundamentalists of ISIS then more people will sign up for the latter.
I am not sure. You have no chance.
Common sense I think. Let's not forget why ISIS was formed, The West's (in particular the US's) dreadful hoiler than thou attitude to anything foreign to their culture. I despair at both sides.
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...and in so doing, their actions become justified/legitimised to them?
i don't agree, nor with negotiation
whilst western idiocy (though others have played a part too), most recently of bush/blair, has certainly driven recruitment, the roots of this go far back, at least to the wahhabis, maybe all the way to when sunni/shia split
their core belief is that only they are right, everyone else is, at best, to be tolerated as long as they toe the line, but more typically to be enslaved or killed: a christian may be allowed to live if they pay 'taxes' and behave; people of some other sects are not so fortunate, they are not recognised as human, men are slaughtered, women and young girls raped
various regional rulers should've been exterminating these lunatics as vermin, some did, but others resorted to appeasement, allowed them to set up 'schools' to twist the minds of children, even gave them power within the state
you do not do that with scum who value nothing on earth and believe that dying in the process of killing others to advance their loathsome ideals will guarantee them paradise
they will never negotiate, barring capture and re-education or permanent imprisonment, you can only exterminate them
unfortunately it's now been left so long that many others will suffer and die in the process
I quote: they will never negotiate, barring capture and re-education or permanent imprisonment, you can only exterminate them
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It isn't like dealing with say the IRA or some other terrorist groups, we might have thought they were committing abhorrent acts that were totally unjustified but ultimately their world view wasn't that different to ours there was always room to find a compromise however unlikely that looked. How do we compromise with ISIS or similar groups - what would that even look like ?
Seems to me that we either try and destroy them through direct force and accept they will respond with attacks like those in Paris in an attempt to make our actions unpopular at home or we play a more subtle game to get rid of them - maybe boosting their regional opponents - maybe accepting that we back some unpleasant people to prevent these more unpleasant people furthering their reach.
Unfortunately, that's rather simplistic.
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And just what is the 'Last Resort'? Would it include dealing with the cradle of wahhabism, Saudi Arabia, in the same manner as its offspring? Which is essentially where Al-Qaeda/Taliban/ISIS all spawned from and continues to be funded,encouraged and supported from. Perhaps cutting the head off the snake is the first best option. Then go after the middle and the tail.
It will not solve anything though. Without giving ISIS any more gravitas the world is potentially on a very slippy slope.
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It's a multi faceted approach which should be aimed at addressing some of the drivers for recruitment and radicalisation as well as militarially.
Desmond Tutu
True. But decent moderate Muslim preachers could do more to combat it.
I think the UK has a more vocal moderate Muslim demographic while France seems to have a more disconnected Muslim population making up a disproportionate amount of French prisons which could be an indicator of larger social issues? Not one sole answer here, just multiple drivers and layers of complexity and conflicting interests.
Desmond Tutu
I agree with the idea. However I understand that many of the mosques in the UK and Europe are funded from Saudi Arabia which is the home of Wahhabism. Which in turn is the ideological foundation of all the intolerant versions of Islam. The Saudis wouldn't put moderate respectable preachers into their own establishments, they want to spread Wahhabism throughout the world.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3319941/Radical-panellists-event-demand-establishment-Islamic-State.html
ahh so beautifully put
I would support this, and propose the state be set up on Staats Island in the Falklands, it would be a one way ticket and no boats or any comms equipment would be allowed.
All welcome.
I am not sure. You have no chance.
Why can't people just be nice to each other?
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This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour
BR's very own mercenary steps in and blows the whistle for full time.
Because killing and destroying people and things is hard wired into our DNA.
Err... on a forum?
Unless you're the leader of the Opposition
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/nov/16/corbyn-against-shoot-to-kill-uk-paris-attacks-labour
It's more concerning Corbyns total lack of comprehension of the mindset of the extremist in question. It's not to negotiate but simply kill as many civilians as possible.
No wonder Cameron has gone even more comatose as a Prime Minister with Corbyn "leading" the opposition.
Corbyns position and mind set is more concerning than the thoughts of similar attacks in the UK.
Desmond Tutu